Alito's draft opinion explicitly criticizes Lawrence v. Texas (legalizing sodomy) and Obergefell v. Hodges (legalizing same-sex marriage). He says that, like abortion, these decisions protect phony rights that are not "deeply rooted in history."

  • 4zi [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    there’s no other solution to this other than the stuff that will sound like :fedposting: , right? I genuinely see no other way the Democrat majority will do anything about this

    • HamManBad [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      General strike? All we have to do is collectively put our hands in our pockets and the ruling class is licked. In theory.

      In real life, [REDACTED]

      • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        They just killed a million Americans to protect the rich from losing profits during a the 2 week lockdown we needed but never got. The violence that would be brought against people participating in a general strike would be pretty bad.

        • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          the violence we are enduring now is pretty bad. at least if we jump out of the frying pan we stand a chance of escaping the fire.

      • 4zi [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        I mean I’m never gonna rule out the power of organizing, but I don’t think the majority of Americans care enough to do a general strike

        • Homestar440 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The problem is the sophistication and ubiquity of the propaganda system, it just works too fucking well. I honestly have no clue how to overcome it, even with events sometimes sparking serious moments of political unrest, the steady hammer of official narrative always successfully reasserts the status quo.

          • SaniFlush [any, any]
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            3 years ago

            it starts with IRL interactions. Internet makes everything feel like a damn video game, to make people care they have to experience it.

          • Dangitbobby [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Look at all the people who were opposed to Nazis, right up until it meant funding Ukraine Nazis against the enemy of the US establishment. Then suddenly Nazis weren't so bad and had no influence anyway.

          • Pseudoplatanus22 [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            I read some Gramsci a little while ago, and he talks about this.

            In order to replace existing hegemony, you need a counter hegemony. We already have that. In fact, it's pretty widespread. You'll find millions of Americans that disagree with this stance on LGBT issues; they just need to be organised properly.

            The tricky thing is pushing past the compromise equilibrium; the George Floyd protests went from anger about white supremacy in the police, to about removing statues. This meant absolutely nothing to those in power, so they didn't have a problem doing it.

            What we need is a movement with stated aims and goals, with leadership that is proactive in weeding out counter-revolutionary elements, and a membership that will be consistent in making sure the aims of the organisation are carried out. Look at what happened with the promises to reform the police, after all.

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              "Things will go back to normal eventually" is the perfect summation of the American attitude. A very average American boomer in fact said this exact thing verbatim to me a couple years ago!

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      there’s no other solution to this other than the stuff that will sound like :fedposting:, right?

      If a judge gets blown up followed by a liberal replacement the result would be fascist revolution.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Accelerationists will be watching closely.

          • RedCoat [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Everyone thought Trump was the accelerationist vote but it was Biden all along. :biden-leftist:

      • Quimby [any, any]
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        3 years ago

        yes. but if a handful of senators became properly afraid of the people--as they should be in a functioning democracy anyway--they might do good things and that wouldn't necessarily lead to a fascist revolution.

    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      idk the situation on the ground in America, but you should have a ton of LGBT advocacy groups. This isn't like worker's rights where you have to start at zero, the organizational groundwork to push back against this has already been done. You can contact local LGBT orgs about this stuff and see what they're up to and how you can help.

  • Mike_Penis [any]
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    3 years ago

    can't wait to live in a christian theocracy where you get stoned to death for having premarital sex (guess i'd be safe then :yea:)

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      i thought only the eeeevvvvveeell muuusllllimms are hating the gays

      The sickest thing about them using this rhetoric is that British and American imperialism killed off thousands of leftist Muslims and directly funded the rise of Wahabbism, in general, and the House of Saud, in particular. The CIA wanted to "guide the evolution of Islam". There was a book written in the 1880s, Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East or Confessions of a British Spy purporting to be the account of a 1700s British agent, Hempher, of his instrumental role in founding the conservative Islamic reform movement of Wahhabism, as part of a conspiracy to corrupt Islam. Wikipedia dismisses this as "anglophobia" and yet looking at what the CIA and British intelligence did in the 20th century, is it really inconceivable that anglo imperialists have been funding reactionary strains of Islam for 300 years now?

        • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          being killed

          small correction: mossadegh wasn't killed like allende. he was just placed on house arrest until he died a few years later. unless there's something about this i wasn't previously aware of

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        anglophobia

        Purest victim-blaming, the wall is too good for the dork who coined that term.

  • Snackuleata [any]
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    3 years ago

    Don't worry guys Wells Fargo sponsored the Pride parade so they will surely use all their lobbying strength to stand up for their values and protect gay people.

  • cawsby [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Good thing the Democrats have passed federal civil rights legislation protecting abortion access and LGBT rights!

  • TankieTanuki [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I found no references to aircraft in the constitution. Please abolish the US Air Force.

    • Deadend [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      :mao-shining: Consider it a seed for growing political power :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-2:

  • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    buy a gun, learn to use it, get together with people you know who aren't total shitheads and encourage them to buy guns too

    they're going to come for us. make them work for it.

      • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        probably by door-to-door mobs that lynch anyone who looks vaguely queer or has dyed hair :agony-deep:

        • SaniFlush [any, any]
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          3 years ago

          Did you know that Sparta's military tactics began to fail when Athenian siege engines were used to tear straight through the middle of their densely packed formations? Fascinating, isn't it?

          • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            y'know, that is fascinating. history is replete with lessons for the avid student

            i'm starting to see why so many people who went on to be revolutionaries started out as professors and shit

            • SaniFlush [any, any]
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              3 years ago

              History is full of totally based shit that gets glossed over in the kid friendly versions they tell us in the US of A. Like how after Hellen Keller learned how to communicate, she became a worker's rights activist who read Marx in Braille and condemned a textile factory, not because she could see the human rights abuses, but because she could smell them.

              • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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                3 years ago

                hmmm, it's almost like the ruling class has something to gain from sanitizing the narrative and flushing away the truth :1984:

    • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Adding to this: Learn how to clean and maintain your firearm. If you are in a gun club get familiar with different firearms by asking to shoot and help clean other member's guns. Get familiar with a variety of firearms if you can. If you cannot afford a rifle but you know a friend that owns one offer to help clean it and take it apart so you can start to know more stuff. (Edit: goes the same way in opposite, if you've never shot a handgun but own a rifle and your friend only has a handgun swap guns at the range and afterward learn together how they both work.) Work together.

      • WALLTHERICH [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        cleaning and maintenance are absolutely vital parts of learning to use a gun. good addition, thank you.

        • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Thanks for your post too. We're gonna have to speed run a lot of liberals and undecideds on the validity of (if not ownership) familiarity with firearms.

  • Azarova [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    protect phony rights that are not “deeply rooted in history.”

    Motherfucker, there were queer people in highly respected roles within the Cult of Inana thousands of years before your shitty hateful religion even existed. Fuck you. I'm so fucking sick of cishets acting like we're a new fashion trend instead of an aspect of humanity that has been ruthlessly oppressed for millenia.

    • Tapirs10 [undecided,she/her]
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      3 years ago

      They don't need to pretend, they "know." Patriarchal information control has worked and continues to work. The first nazi book burning was of trans and gay books, and rightists want it to happen again

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        "books" is too vague. medical records. they burned a wealth of studies that had been done on the first bottom surgeries, initial HRT trials, sexual health, contraception, gynecology, abortion, and the like. we could have had all this stuff 50 years earlier.

        like did you know that the first use for estrogen derived from horse urine - the world's first contraceptive - was originally developed to help trans women transition? it was only later that it was discovered to halt the menstrual cycle in cis women's bodies - some 30 years later because the research that demonstrated its efficacy and safety(*) was burned with the institute that made these early strides.

        if only Europe had remained a backwater...

        (*): for cis women - please don't take premarin/diane if you're trans. we need doses that are too high so the risk of blood clots is extreme. bioidentical estradiol should be your primary method of transition.

        • Azarova [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          So absolutely fucked that all this is conviently never mentioned when the Nazism is taught about, they just say that the Nazis burned books that they disagreed with. It took me until my mid twenties, several years into my transition, to even fucking hear about Hirschfeld's institute for the first time.

    • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      There is no plan. Do your best to become integrated with a robust local mutual aid network and wait for the government to choke to death on it's own dick like everyone else.

    • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Join a political party and a union. We're far away from victory, but all movements that won were once in desperate positions themselves to.

    • Dangitbobby [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Where to? Canada is actually pretty difficult from what I understand. Estonia has a digital nomad visa that's easy. Thailand is out since covid. Mexico? Costa Rica?

      • hypercube [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        french foreign legion baby!!! gonna change my name to Florence Croque-Madame and commit unspeakable acts for 5 years until I get that sweet citizenship

        • MerryChristmas [any]
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          3 years ago

          Change your name to Hexbear Dotnet. Might as well do some free marketing for the forum while you're over there.

        • MikeHockempalz [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Apparently it's very very easy to find a job teaching English in China if you're certified bc the demand is so high. You need a college degree but it can be in anything, doesn't need to be related to English or teaching. Once my teeth are fixed that's my plan. Lets all have a hexbear party in Kunming

            • MikeHockempalz [he/him]
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              3 years ago
              1. you can get a visa as long as you have a job, which as I established is not hard to find provided you're certified to teach English

              2. the language is hard but not harder than living in this shithole

              3. the culture being alien is good. The more different from western culture the better

              4. normal people don't just assume people are sexpats, especially if they're actually employed. That's an extremely online weirdo thing to say

              5. arent you the lib who thinks cancelling student debt would be bad? Leave me alone dumbass

    • MerryChristmas [any]
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      3 years ago

      Do you live on a coast? I'm trying to convince my spouse to ditch apartment life and get a houseboat. When shit hits the fan, I'll just raise the anchor and live off of fish for a while.

      There's an episode of River Monsters that focuses on a Moken community, a stateless group of sea nomads who live in fishing communities built on giant rafts made from old boats and stuff. They're located somewhere off the coast of Burma. Anyway, that's my dream - a big ol' floating ocean commune. Move into a houseboat and join me.

        • MerryChristmas [any]
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          3 years ago

          Holy shit, for real? That is a total gamechanger. We'd still have to mostly rely on trade for anything besides fish, but a secondary food source that we could grow without wasting our limited fresh water would be huge.

          Plus, pre-salted rice.

          • femboi [they/them, she/her]
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            3 years ago

            I think currently they are targeting salty soils, not the literal ocean. I dont think the tolerance is anywhere close to ocean levels yet but maybe one day

        • MikeHockempalz [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Just when I thought china couldnt be more based, they go ahead and figure out a way to top themselves

        • Kublai [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I hope my boat comes with Dennis Hopper, if I can appease him he will keep us safe

            • MerryChristmas [any]
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              3 years ago

              Have you seen River Monsters? It's just a guy going fishing in more remote regions around the world. They aren't constructing sea nomad villages for some sort of Survivor-esque challenge - this was a real place that he visited for like 15 minutes of a mid-season episode that primarily took place in Thailand. The goal was to get a first-hand look at the unique fishing techniques and gear they use to harvest needlefish.

              You could dunk on me for the silly idea that I could organize something like this and you'd be absolutely right, but this isn't a made up concept. Look up the Bajau, Moken or Tonka peoples for a few examples of stateless groups that have been doing this for generations. Hell, there's evidence that the Bajau people have become genetically adapted to seafaring life, possessing spleens that are on average 50% larger than neighboring, land-based groups. This allows them to spend more time underwater when they freedive, which is their main method of gathering food resources. Think about how many generations they must have been practicing this lifestyle in isolation for... it's interesting stuff.

        • MerryChristmas [any]
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          3 years ago

          I also really hate this (and the kind of RVs you drive instead of tow) because it means when your vehicle breaks down, you’re out of a house until it’s fixed. I think that’s a problem.

          You're absolutely right. My boating experiences have all involved other people's boats and I'm probably underestimating how much upkeep is involved. I think I'd need to learn a lot more about boat repair and figure out what I'm capable of doing on my own before jumping into this, but I can't stand the claustrophobia of being landlocked.

            • MerryChristmas [any]
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              3 years ago

              This is extremely useful advice and I fully intend on making my boss start calling me captain the day I pass the exam. I appreciate it!

    • userse31 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Armed resistance wouldn’t necessarily be suicidal.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      3 years ago

      Plan hasn't changed, the same solution is still a silent withdrawal from this economy and emergence into a new one.

      1. Save substantial amounts of money by pooling resources, and either working extra hours or finding ways to spend less.
      2. Buy houses and communize the living arrangement; bring the individual participant's cost of living below $500/mo. in expensive locations or $250/mo. in cheaper locations.
      3. Acquire land, build stealth housing (natural building, green roofs, hedges and berms) and develop permaculture on it. Start workers' co-ops for income that's not tied to capitalism.
      4. Acquire lots of boomsticks
      5. ????
      6. Profit[less society]!
    • CyberMao [it/its]
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      3 years ago

      Libs: we want cops at pride!

      Libs: No! Not like that!