Unless we truly live in the cool zone where liberals are doing more praxis than us
Frankly I think this is the case here.
Robert may be a lib or an op or whatever I honestly don't care, what I do know is that he's popular among activists in his area and has a large platform so it's not a stretch at all that he would be the one to receive such a statement.
Yes I do think radlib anarchists are actually doing good praxis in the US right now regardless of how pure or consistent their ideology or their views on foreign policy.
Gatekeeping and sectarianism are extremely counterproductive in this current moment.
Yeah, I don't see why everything has to be an op when idiot group doing praxis badly gets the same results with less effort. It just shows that leftists don't have communication or discipline when all the social action happening now is lib kumbaya gatherings and adventurism.
Just my personal take, but I believe we've reached an era in the surveillance state where literally every bit of information that goes through any means of digital communication is analyzed by an algorithm and evaluated for potential threats. Kumbaya gatherings and adventurism are all that's left. I think there might be some actual cool and good very small group that tried to target that NSA data center in Nashville, but either that was a test run to determine what the response would be or a failure that either forced them to ground or resulted in them getting black bagged.
Going after critical infrastructure is a great way to get a sniper bullet in your skull.
If you're serious about ending capitalism that's almost guaranteed to be your fate. If you're really serious about ending capitalism and act on it in the US, that will 100% be your fate. Your choices are; eat shit, do an adventurism, or do kumbaya shit, and those last two taste a lot like shit and have a similar outcome.
If it’s hopeless, why are we even here then? I could be reading light novels or something right now.
Because it's one of the few places any of us can find actual community?
Let's not forget who actually showed up to an ICE camp with a gun and firebombs :william-van-spronsen:
The disorganized are, imo, more likely to take part in stochastic acts of violence by definition of being disorganized
Each additional co-conspirator you add is one more person who will pull a Harry Potter and snitch on you.
Isn't stuff like this on par with what animal rights activist groups have done in the past though
Yes. But according to this community, if someone farts in church the FBI/CIA is behind it.
Direct Action isn't real, it doesn't exist, and any evidence to the contrary is manufactured.
Revolutionary violence is cool and good but you have to have an actual organized left and not just random groups with different goals acting out. Either it's very ignorant or an OP. Sicko posting is fun but don't confuse it for actual politics.
Edit: to elaborate on my point now that I'm at an actual keyboard.
For one, we need an organized left before we can carry out revolutionary violence. It has to be agreed upon and there has to be an actual strategy with political power to back it up. Otherwise it's just adventurism or vigilantism. Burning down an anti-abortion group's office will not accomplish anything because the state is on their side. Republicans will be in charge again soon and they will use the state to protect anti-abortion groups. Democrats want pro-lifers as part of the party and they will not do anything to protect abortion rights. There is no political power (or very little) behind abortion rights. Therefore any violence is not a real threat. The police state can easily swat it down and move on while using it as propaganda. If leftists were in charge, or had leverage to use in addition to violence, then we'd be in a better spot. But we don't. Most of us don't even know who this group is or what they really want.
Sure, reading about this kind of action gives us a warm, fuzzy feeling. It makes us feel like something is happening, that people are fighting back. But that's very different from something actually being accomplished. We can't confuse the feeling of progress for actual progress. We can't be so poster-brained that cheer-leading news stories feels like the left is doing something.
Finally, Roe is enshrined in liberalism anyways. Yes having liberal rights to abortion is better than nothing. But we must also not confuse it with the end-all on abortion rights. The ruling, if I am not mistaken, frames the issue as limiting federal power to interfere with the individual. It's not an argument about abortion being good or helpful in itself. Arguments about what the constitution allows is silly anyways because we all recognize how flimsy that shit is. I'm not saying we shouldn't protect Roe or be upset it's going away. Just that we shouldn't confuse some sort of liberal judicial ruling as the basis for abortion rights.
Revolutionary violence is cool and good but you have to have an actual organized left and not just random groups with different goals acting out. Either it’s very ignorant or an OP.
I agree. I just think its lazy to write off every act of vandalism and spat of violence as federally orchestrated, particularly when we know next to nothing about who is involved or who was targeted. It just feeds leftist paranoia - the kind of paranoia that has people convinced TrueAnon and WTYP Podcast are CIA/MI6 operations - in an ultimately unproductive manner.
I definitely get the call to organize first and foremost. The Black Panthers doing food aid and study halls for local communities revolutionized far more working class New Yorkers than Black Blockers lobbing bricks. Reshaping material conditions is the goal, not simply lashing out in anger.
That said, literally all we know about this incident is that it happened. We don't know who was involved, how many of them there were, what they were doing beforehand, why they decided this was necessary, or how it will affect attitudes in the community. All this is speculation. And going straight to "Feds Did This" - even if they did do it - short-circuits people's brains in a way that's damaging to any future effort of organized resistance.
Finally, Roe is enshrined in liberalism anyways.
Roe was pure legalism. You have the "right" to health care, without any actual physical care being provided. Meanwhile, the conservative response was to strip services out of the public space inch by agonizing inch. From the Hyde Amendment to freak outs over contraception available in schools to terrorism aimed at clinics, the goal on the right was to shrink access to care at every opportunity.
While Roe itself was Liberal AF, the aftermath was all about the material needs of women being deliberately obstructed. The fight in the last decade has revolved almost entirely around keeping an shrinking number of physicians and clinics in business. And so this fight has taken on a very leftist slant, whether liberals intended it to or not.
Arguments about what the constitution allows is silly anyways because we all recognize how flimsy that shit is. I’m not saying we shouldn’t protect Roe or be upset it’s going away. Just that we shouldn’t confuse some sort of liberal judicial ruling as the basis for abortion rights.
The judicial ruling isn't just about the legality of contraception and abortion. It is about who has access to and ownership of health care institutions. Whatever you might think of Planned Parenthood, they do a ton of mutual aid work. I can speak to that from personal experience, as their walk-in clinics are consistently some of the most accessible and affordable in the nation.
This is about a national model for health care. And the decision to end Roe is as much about stomping out these last vestiges of independent medicine in the country as it is about access to abortion.
Are you asking for the numbers of successful leftist projects vs the numbers of intelegence operations? Cause, they used to run the comunist party here and did it poorly on purpose to make sure it never accomplished anything. So we are conparing that to what, executed BLM activists?
peta? Sus Elves? Sus. Weathermen? Not sus. In jail. This one? Sus.
It's obvious Fed shit because what do you gain bombing a pro-life organization after they won? Praxis would be intimidating Democratic legislators into codifying abortion rights in Wisconsin, or the governor or something.
What if the feds accidentally destroy the USA as an op that’s just meant to secure more funding for feuding competing 3-letter agencies.
That's the background plot to Cyberpunk 2077. The "gang of four," lol.
Based (but it's also worrying that they would send it to Robert Evans instead of Crimethinc or It's Going Down).
Crimethinc or It’s Going Down
Probably because one of those is likely and op and the other nobody has heard of
"Don't want to send this to something which is an op, who do we contact?"
"Let's send it to the Bellingcat guy that tweets state department talking points all day."
Well I mean yeah, Evans sucks too.
Op or not I don’t think Crimethinc really does news so doesn’t really make sense to send it to them. Also there like super disorganized so idk who’d you’d send it too.
It’s Going Down probably ain’t
Crimethinc is too disorganized to really “BE AN OP” so that was reductive of me to say. I can’t find it now but someone did do a write up of how projects linked to the org just happen to have a weirdly large number of Fed informants. I doubt the org was created by the fed but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of their more active affiliates were run by feds.
That could be the case but i find it highly unlikely that something that has anything to do with intelligence would publish long articles on how to defend against police tactics/what kind of crowd control weapons riot cops use/etc.
Not saying i dismiss the idea but it would surprise me for sure.
They spread good info on how to be more effective at street protest shit but really I don’t think opssec really cares about punk kids getting away with stenciling 7/11s more easily. They’re more concerned with destabilizing any attempt to make a mass organized left. Thing is most Crimethinc associated groups seem to espouse some flavor of anprim/post-left ideology that openly rejects the notion of mass organizing. They’ve also published works rejecting Marxism and saying shit like that Lenin was a German secret agent which is pretty blatant anti-communism propaganda. They’re mission plan for revolution is basically to drop out of society with a group of like 20 some odd friends, and I think convincing the western left to basically just be slightly more radical Hippies ain’t out of line with the feds goals.
Also it does seem weird that a group that basically started as a lose network of like 100 crust punks in North Carolina who photocopied zines about how to finger someone property (no joke, in my high school punk years I got my hands on some early crimethinc shit and it was like poorly photocopied material about how to have safe sex without condoms and like and deal with diabetes without insulin) suddenly started putting out really slick looking full color hardback propaganda books for surprisingly cheap.
I think it’s still mostly just a group of crust punk kids putting out whatever under the same label, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the cells putting out more high quality shit are getting some kind of FBI backing.
The FBI issues an apology. They fully ment to entrap the person they put up to the attack but they got busy. You know how it is, you got luandry to do and you forgot you were taking some time off for your sister in law's wedding. They didn't think he had it in him they remarked. They promised that next time they won't allow people to create IEDs without their direct supervision.
Whether this is fed shit or praxis or whatever I hope it leads to good outcomes and not bad outcomes
What did Robert Evans do? I recently listened to the early episodes of "It Could Happen Here", and liked them fine, but decided to not take his opinion that seriously after he talked about maidan and Hong Kong protests like they were a good thing.
I just assumed it was the american leftist tendency to go "wow cool" anytime people light something on fire though (no offence). Is he :fedposting: ?
Constantly defends US regime change policy on twitter as well while being "an anarchist".
:funny-clown-hammer: I will not be sectarian today, I will not be sectarian today, I will not be sectarian today...
At some point, he worked for Bellingcat, an open source intelligence company, that we can just automatically assume is filled and funded by FBI and CIA. Whether he is an ongoing "op" or not... :shrug-outta-hecks:
That... I don't know.
Just from listening to BtB, he tends to speak of it in the past tense (which doesn't mean a thing).
I've only heard a few of the "weekly" versions of that one, for the most part I do agree with you.
He is a lib who used to work IT security.
~50% chance he worked for the feds or as a contractor for them at some point.
He worked for a nonprofit that's funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (a CIA front org) and he has screamingly bad takes on anything outside US domestic stuff, and even then he's probably not the best source of analysis.
I don't think he's a fed directly, but he's also a self-professed leftist media figure employed by iHeartRadio, which is fucking suspect in itself. People love to rely on the fed thing while also totally ignoring the fact that media works in the CIA's interests because their interests are the same. Of course they'd hire a media figure that appeals to a consumer demographic who fundamentally doesn't threaten power.
He posted a lot of good street footage of 2020 protests, got his hand broken by chuds in Portland, got gassed by the cops a bunch
Isn't Evans some kind of phony leftist?
Edit
I googled and I learned he works for Bellingcat. Is it a CIA cutout? Could I get an article link?
Shut up revisionist. Marx and Lenin clearly established that I am the only true leftist
Unpopular opinion (around here): I like Robert Evans. He does pretty good research work on the right wing, and his Behind the Police series was a major force in my radicization. He seems to genuinely care about the plight of trans and other marginalized people, and uses his platform to do some good. He's not perfect, and sometimes too conciliatory for my taste, but I don't think he's an op, and I enjoy his content.
