firefighters are reactionary in the same way that nurses tend to be - they hate taxes and "bureaucracy" and in some cases "wokeness" but will be sympathetic to any person they come across in a state of vulnerability, instead of viewing them with suspicion and wanting to subjugate them like cops do
If your politics don't get in the way of my medical care or my fire being put out, during the time I'm having a medical problem or unwelcome fire I really don't care what their politics are. If my home is ablaze and a fascist goes in to put it out good, he's fixing my fire problem for free and risking harm. It's a double win here.
firefighters are reactionary in the same way that nurses tend to be - they hate taxes and "bureaucracy" and in some cases "wokeness"
What's up with this?
I think it's because both firefighting and (some specializations of) nursing pay pretty well so they're materially well off, and they both also attract people from blue collar backgrounds which tend to be culturally conservative (not denigrating them for this, but it is what it is)
blue collar backgrounds which tend to be culturally conservative
Always be thinking about this (as a very academic-background far left nerd going into trades)
I have to also point out that whenever pigs and firefighters fight each other, the firefighters usually beat the fuck out of the cops.
And more of a tendency to run towards danger, rather than away from whatever they percieve as danger. No firefighter is gonna start doing barrel-rolls because of an acorn, that's for sure.
You can’t be 300 pounds and sit in your cruiser in front of the donut shop as a firefighter
I heard about this cops v firefighters hockey game once where there was a bit of a brawl, as hockey is to do, and the firefighter absolutely beat the shit out of the cop. He'd probably been waiting to do that forever until the ice gave him a pass.
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I love how French cops and French firefighters have a fued and fight whenever Paris riots
I mean...it's a public serving pretty decent gig where you're on for two weeks but have the next two weeks entirely to do whatever, you need to be buff and you're automatically popular. It's probably one of the best options for an institution to flood with leftists. It's already got a red colour theme going.
They have silver outfits, but yeah. One of the few jobs that lets people just people without any any worries
No facial hair, no philosophy, because/but they're too busy changing the world.
When you're go to move during a riot is to get your fire gear on, set yourself on fire and calmly walk towards cops, I know which side I'm rooting for without hesitation.
I have never seen cops sexualized like firefighters are, for good reason
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It does happen but only in the sexy domineering policewoman angle and that's more about making the uniform into something skimpy and naughty, with the cop part being of less importance. Never the male cops.
I consider that sexualization in spite of occupation as men being sexualized is exceptional
That sounds totally correct tbh. Just a case of how women will be sexualised in literally any role you put them in.
There's the male stripper dressed as a cop for bachelorette party trope.
If we let fire fight fighters carry handcuffs they'd fade away.
yeah male stripper "cop" was a joke on psych, my guess would be that one has more cultural cache because we have a variety of non-cop dommy mommies.
Counterpoint: sexy lady cop outfit but it's a USSR soldier with thr cool hat
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I have had 2 Proffs who where FIre Fighters, and one was THE fire cheif of the city ... and he would constantly tell stories of how the police would respond to a fire first... park infront of the building and hydrent, and he would constantly chew the police out with "why do you constantly try to get here first, what are you going to do shoot the fire, that will do no good"
Thats because cops always look like thumb people wrapped in sausage casings
I like to have a red lives matters flag on my car, because cops are easily confused.
They probably still assume you're a Right-winger though?
I've seen chuds who have the thin red, blue, green flag combo. I just assume anyone with any of those or the black and white US flag is a fascist. Am I wrong here? Then again I just assume anyone with any US flag is a fascist.
You don’t understand the brave sacrifice of those who jerk off in an air-conditioned port-a-potty for several hours a day.
The thin green line between civilization and a world of stolen picknick baskets
I would... if the thin red line was not based on the american flag...
That scene from movies when a lady is like "my baby", but it's an old guy going "my assets" and the cops breaks into the house to rescue hard drives and portfolios.
if only there was some way to unite librarians, firefighters, and based nurses we could actually build a dual power social service system
Lucky. All the ones I know are conservatives that think being bisexual is a mental illness
All the worst girls in my school went into nursing. 80% of them are still anti vax
Firefighters in the US are carbrained macho goobers who insist in unnecessarily oversized apparatuses and consistently fight street safety projects. Don’t tell me they care about lives, they can munch my shit.
I mean yes they are car brained, however, that is America, everything by necessity has to rely on the the car.
I will also point out that in the article mentioned responce times. Now I am not an urban planner, and while I dabble in city design theory from time to time, from their narrow lens prospective I can understand their condenser, especially with the contemporary understanding of bigger road= better traffic flow. Their statement is that these proposals are likely to increase reponse times, and if we look at it from the understanding of city design we are all taught, that would make sense, narrowing the street for any reason will increase congestion and increase response time in kind. Instead what you need to do is help aleviate their consern where it stands. Fires today burn, hotter, faster, and more toxic than ever before, and so any delay is potential lives lost, meet them at their concern, not from the "Oh you car brained goober hating street safety" because that is not what they are against.
Second the "oversized apparatus" I will agree the 3 largest vehicles on the roads today that everyone has seen in the US are the Fire Truck, the Ambulance, and the Simi Truck (no not everyone sees a bus, agian we have no public transportation infrustructure). However I push back on your insenuation that the fire equipment is "oversized" There is a reason they have gotten to this size, and there is a pressure for the smallest fire truck they can use at any given location, because it is far more manuverable, and less likely to get caught up in any trafic. The reason they have gotten bigger is because the extra size gives significantly more use to the truck, weither that be an air bottle re filler, that is essential for long fires, or a stronger pump, or just more hoses.
I am not going to say "all fire fighters are the best humans and none are individualy reactionaries" but like honestly Fire Fighters are awsome... and as a thing we do Based ... and like the meme posted is right... The amount of resources they will expend to save 1 life is awe inspiring, and if that comes at the cost that they are slower to change to narrower streats, because 1 conventional wisdom and 2 with our wider streats they have gotten engines that are more capable but bigger, and so we have to teach them why it will still help responce times, it is a cost I am willing to do
I am here to tell you that in the us, roads are designed to fit apparatuses and not vice versa. Saner sized apparatuses used in Japan and parts of Europe can actually outperform American behemoths but they’re just not as macho
Not really, we didn't make the big apparatuses then redo all our roadways to fit, we got bigger roads, then relised we could fit more in the apparatuses, then did so. We still have areas with small roadways and fire services must accommodate accordingly.
And yes they CAN outperform ours under specific conditions, ones that they where designed for, but put any one of them here and one of ours is going to clean their clock, its just a matter of how they are built and that we can fit more stuff, its not about "being macho"
Generally too they dont bring the biggest stuff out unless they need to, it is what is needed to put the fire out as fast as possible. I am sure if we had infrustructure more like Europe or Japan we would have fire trucks more like theirs, but our design pressures did not push us to small trucks,
I am asking you to please accept that 40,000+ die on US roads every year and 90+% percent of firefighter dispatches are not fire related
I did not dispute either of those claims, I was providing context to their hesitancy to support the road reform. Both that goes aganst the way we are taught how road conjestion works that narrower streets could help, and that their primary concern is getting to where they are dispatched to as fast as they can. That their hesitency is not some "Carbrain macho I want worse cities" Idea that you where implying. I was also providing contexted to the sizes of the fire trucks, they are not this large for no reason. Yes they got this big because our roads are massive, however they are not this big for the fun of it, they have been engineered to take full advantage of the space they have.
I also would like to point out 3 things with your source, agian I am not disputing that US roads are bad and need to be changed ... HECK I am not even saying that I am aganst what LA is proposing, from what I read in that Article I like it, and I think it would also decrease conjestion and increase fire responce times, I was saying that the hesitancy being displayed was rational, and the advantage needs to be explained, however first while fires are becoming less common, the ones we are having are burning faster, hotter and more toxic, and are spreading faster. 2 There is a good chance as climate change happens fire calls will go up agian, especialy with this being a story in california. 3 What is mentioned as the bulk of the calls is EMS calls instead of fire, and I do not feel like that is the gotcha you think it is, because agian, responce times are vital on emergency medical calls aswell.
Agian The main Argument the fire service had to the reform was "Hey, you are going to take away road space, so the same number of cars that are currently driving are going to have less road space, the roads are already so conjested we cannot get any where and we are worried that putting the same amount of cars into less space will only make the situation worse" the responce is not to say "But look at all the deaths on the road" because their argument was never road deaths, I do not know who runs the EMS service in LA, but there is a chance it is the fire department, and most of the time fire fighters have to be EMTs anyway and sometimes respond to calls, they know and likely already care about those deaths, and if they run the ambulance service respond to them, but that was not their argument or concern, Meet them at their concern... Also do not just insult fire trucks, yes they are large, but understand that they are that big for a reason 1) because it allows them to preform better and 2) because how the US is now, allows them to be bigger, and by doing that they can 3) fit more stuff in and more powerful pumps and engines in, that refer to 1).
Agian I accept the claim, I am a proponent of road reform, and making the US less car centric, and increasing pedestrian and bycicle friendly areas, I however find your origional comment to be missing important context, and overly narrow in scope. I merely mentioned that you should take a step back and read why the concern was levied.
I see more than a couple 'red line' american flags and it's always mixed feelings
Same, I squint really hard at first because I think it's thin blue line flag, but then relax after seeing it's the thin red line, but then again wonder if it's a coded dog whistle.
i feel like it's usually just a firefighter, someone with connections to one, or someone who's witnessed the good work they do. i doubt most people without one of those would bother with it. unlike the thin blue line, they're not trying to make a political statement, and almost everyone respects firefighters. i don't see it any different from an EMT or conservationist thin line flags
there are no songs about "fuck the fire department" but plenty about the police
