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  • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    cars should be legally required to be fuck-ugly so people are less keen to buy them

      • wopazoo [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        That is absolutely hideous wtf.

        It almost makes me appreciate the current breed of bland, uninspiring crossover SUVs. At least gray, amorphous blobs don't look actively repulsive.

        • VOLCEL_POLICE [it/its]B
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          7 months ago

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          The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

          نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

          volcel-police

    • Rojo27 [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      I feel like people will still find a way to love them. Or they'd blame the woke agenda for making them ugly. But seriously, look at all the fucking ugly ass land yatchs on the road. We need to go back to the 90s with soft curves so that all the manly men get mad at how soft trucks/SUVs have gotten.

      • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Most cars are hideous AF and people still love them, or at the very least cannot imagine a world without them.

        Pre-radicalization me had a business idea that was just gas stations but for EVs. It was all well-intentioned, but it was proof even I couldn't imagine the reduced omnipresence of the automobile. Unfortunately as leftists we tend not be good salesmen, so many people subconsciously DO prefer walkable cities even if they aren't aware they are. To Americans, walkability is je ne sais quoi they like about European and Asian cities, but will short-circuit when you're told its because cars are not a priority. To them, it's alien. I'm not saying this to bash on them, since I was in this group before but moreso point out that Americans and Canadians might be more open to this than one may think, here's a study showing that Americans generally prefer walkable cities.

        • 7bicycles [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          the whole walkability thing works like communism or socialism. you can describe all the contents and people are open to it but boy howdy do they not want to take the measures to get there or call it that

      • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        I miss when sport-class was sharp and angular and original muscle-class looked like gorgeously chrome-detailed angels of the empty blacktops

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    We just discovered the most optimal shape for cars. It's not surprising everything looks similar.

    Anyway death to cars, unlimited car-icide on cars.

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      I mean what is optimal? I grew up riding around in a Volvo 940 Station Wagon and I'm still shocked to see how fucking little interior space modern cars offer.

      • VILenin [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Aerodynamic efficiency. They've found the shape and they're sticking to it.

      • WashedAnus [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        So much bigger and somehow less usable space. That's real capitalist innovation!

  • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    It's going to get worse.

    I really like this mock up but the Chevy PedestrianKiller will clearly come out ~2030 and not 2070. By 2070 APCs will have street legal versions.

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  • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]
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    7 months ago

    Modern cars mostly (disregardingmy-hero) look the same because they're made to be safer and have crumple zones, right?

    • WafflesTasteGood [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      It's actually more for aerodynamics and efficiency. This is why all cars have started to look really similar. The best shape for a car won't change because physics so there's not a lot of room for artistic flair.

      • iridaniotter [she/her, it/its]
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        7 months ago

        It's really funny they care about aerodynamics so much because the mileage on some of these cars is just truly awful. We could have cool looking cars that aren't aerodynamic but they wouldn't be as good at crushing pavement and plowing children..sicko-wistful

        • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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          7 months ago

          they don't really care that much, just enough to hit the legal bare minimum to keep making bigger SUVs than last year. If they actually cared about efficiency we'd all be driving these.

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          • wopazoo [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            I think a more realistic idea of what everyone would be driving if everyone actually cared about maximum efficiency would be the 1st generation Honda Insight, a car famous in the hypermiling community for its efficiency.

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          • 7bicycles [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            if we truly cared about efficiency we'd be riding recumbent pod bikes mostly. Most efficient machine ever made babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

      • wopazoo [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        I disagree that aerodynamics optimization is the reason that a lot of cars have started to look for the same. Here are 3 highly aerodynamic cars that have been explicitly optimized for aerodynamics, each with their own unique flair:

        1st generation Honda Insight

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        1st generation Tesla Model 3

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        5th generation Toyota Prius

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        It's impossible to confuse one of these cars for each other. Automakers absolutely can make gorgeous and distinct looking cars without compromising aerodynamics, they simply choose not to.

        • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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          7 months ago

          It's impossible to confuse one of these cars for each other.

          You say that but my partner seems to be entirely incapable of telling the difference, even here. All cars are just "an car" to her. Kind of awesome in a strange way. It's like vehicular face-blindness.

          • Shinji_Ikari [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            I started training my wife so she could recognize cop cars sooner. My weaponized autism is literally noticing a cop car from a blurry vibe 2 miles down the highway.

            • VILenin [he/him]
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              7 months ago

              You know you're near a cop car when you feel the aura of satanic racism come over you.

        • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]
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          7 months ago

          It's impossible to confuse one of these cars for each other.

          Counterpoint: I do so on purpose to piss off Tesla fans. "Oh neat car, is that the new Prius?"

        • wopazoo [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          I just noticed that the Tesla Model 3 kind of looks like a Porsche, and I don't think that's an accident.

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          The headlights and grille seem highly inspired by the 911.

    • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      SAFETY IS BORING

      On a more serious note, they could at least give them interesting patterns or something, right?

      • LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        SAFETY IS BORING

        More like Dirt_Owlon, amirite?

        On a more serious note, they could at least give them interesting patterns or something, right?

        I feel like they try this for rich people cars, but I hate them 90+% of the time lol

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        they could at least give them interesting patterns or something, right?

        Manufacturers can offer all the options and decorations they want but as long as most people are slaves to resale value, most cars will be boring and inoffensive. It's much easier to find a buyer for a black or white car than it is for a pink car.

      • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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        7 months ago

        SAFETY IS BORING

        I feel like we could hijack toxic masculinity and get them all on bikes with this.
        "Oh, big baby getting in his nice padded comfortmobile? Or can your weedy little legs not pedal fast enough to keep up on the road?"

        • 7bicycles [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          I occasionally do this to alpha male types IRL and let me tell you it is fun.

          But, to be fair, mostly it will come down to danger as leisure, much like many other dangerous coded activities. If you can do it, you're cool, if you have to do it, wow look at you you fucking poor person, because it all exists intersectionally with the whole hierarchy and class status thing

        • wopazoo [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          I mean, stuff like NYC bicycle messenger culture and LA e-bike outlaw culture are already explicitly about flaunting the speed, danger, and illegality of their riding. In NYC, it's about getting places fast, which involves weaving through traffic, running reds, hopping curbs, and going wrong-way. In LA, it's more about doing stunts, like wheelies, burnouts, and running from the cops.

          • 7bicycles [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            Genuinely I don't think people generally consider bike messengers as manly. To stick with the terms here, it's sort of like omega coded. you just vibe outside the spectrum

    • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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      7 months ago

      thicc A-pillars and that ugly ass slope up the bottom of the window line from front to the back so you can't see shit are supposedly safety features, yeah.

      • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        look I do love a beautiful 60s Triumph or Corvair convertible but if you roll over in one of those everyone inside will be flattened. Need better materials for thin A-pillars that don't kill the occupants. (Right now they kill people outside the car bc visibility)

          • quarrk [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            Those headrest hoops are usually cosmetic. If you take a Miata to track you better invest in a roll bar and proper race helmet, head restraint, and harness.

          • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            you need both the A-pillars and (effectively) a roll bar behind the seats in order to protect the passenger area from getting crushed. With weak A pillars I think a rollover will fold the windshield down onto the occupants and possibly crush them into the seats, depending on impact angle

        • 7bicycles [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          See in the split between protecting someone who manages to roll their car and everybody else you'll find me firmly on the side of everybody else

          • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMfy1LYF0U

            in addition to bad steering input at highway speeds there's actually a lot of rollovers caused by running into someone else's tire. the car just climbs up it. that's why you occasionally see rollovers in residential areas from low-speed collisions. video is an extreme example of the mechanic

  • besbin@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    If they are at least cheap and reliable then it's at least acceptable. However, besides from boring and fugly these new monstrosity are also chocked full of proprietary parts and software that are impossible to fix and is a privacy nightmare.

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    The best part of Cyberpunk 2077 is that every car is ugly and useless. Just a completely accurate prediction of the future.

    • quarrk [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      Its design convergence in response to strict safety & environmental regulations. There aren’t that many designs that will meet all of the constraints. For example, more effort to improve side overlap collisions requires beefier A-pillars.

      Though it is changing a bit with the introduction of EVs which don’t need all the transmission and other components running under the floorboards.

      Hot take, we might be better off if cars were less safe because people might drive more safely. Kind of like how rugby is safer than American football because they don’t wear helmets and lots of pads.

      • thisismyrealname [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        the safety improvements in cars for a long time were about protecting you from the other maniacs on the road, not from yourself. i could be convinced that lane assist and things like it cause complacency, but we should have seatbelts and crumple zones

        • 7bicycles [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          this is true much in the same way that designing roads "safer" for cars, e.g. making them wide as fuck with no obstacles, does pretty much the opposite of that and it gets way more dangerous for everybody involved

          You want everyone to drive safely? Install a pike on the steering wheel. Guarantee you no one's risking shit anymore

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        we might be better off if cars were less safe because people might drive more safely

        We tried that, though, and people did not drive more safely.

      • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        I've said for a long time we should bring back the steering columns that impale you and replace the airbags with claymore mines. Sure crumple zones save the lives of the occupants but at what cost?

      • Galli [comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        Seems more likely that American footballers need protective gear because it is more dangerous just as American school children need kevlar backpacks

  • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    I just like a boring and simple Honda or Corolla. Granted, I spent enough time looking cool biking up to 4 hours a day cause my mountain bike was more reliable around suburbs and country roads than the buses.

  • quarrk [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    There are some cool cars still. They’re just very expensive.

    Show Caterham Project V

    Show Lexus GX 550

    Though, the Honda E is relatively affordable

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      • Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org
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        7 months ago

        I don't think they're available anywhere outside Japan. There's like one company in my country that does them as a grey import, but they're hideously expensive.

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      all of these look like shit though. The Honda gets the closest with the hot hatch stylings but even then it obviously has to have the future hubcaps

  • DyingOfDeBordom [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    They're also fuckin stupidly designed.

    Hey engineers, hey dipshits, why the fuck aren't headlight covers just designed to like, pop open from the front? My brother just had to change his headlights and it involved taking a bunch of screws off so that he could pop off the back of the wheel well and then get into the headlight casing from behind and it was a massive pain in the ass. Every fucking component on every car is blocked off by layers of unnecessary bullshit

    • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      Because then you don't learn how to/can't do basic maintenance on your car and have to take it to a dealership for every oil change, which dumps several hundred/thousand more dollars into their pockets over the lifetime of the car.

  • BelieveRevolt [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    We had the Dome Zero in the 70s, then cowards didn't make cars look like that sicko-wistful

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_Zero