This entire thread is just filled with total Americabrain worms but my favorite is the guy who says that the US didn't silence journalists who talked about Iraq
Also the random guy plugging sex pest anti-china youtubers as go-to sources on the subject lmfao
Will they ever shut the fuck up about Tienanmen Square? How many time since it happened has US cops killed or brutalized civilians? A journalist lost an eye for being at the Floyd protests but shit that happened in China before most redditors were born is what we all need to focus on as Americans.
Video of cops and civilians running over people for blocking the road: “LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOUR WHATABOUTISM”
Nah they don't deny it, they actively defend it. They say "well what were they supposed to do"
The rest of the video actually shows him climbing up on the tank, talking to the tank commander, then climbing off and waving goodbye to the tankers while his friends grab him to get him out of the road.
Will they ever shut the fuck up about Tienanmen Square?
https://youtu.be/OpNmxwtnSZY?t=45
That's been the idea with the ever-popular "their own people" line when it comes to criticizing everybody but the US. It explicitly implies that if violence is meted out to foreigners rather than a state's citizens, it becomes permissible, or at least appreciably more so.
Who was it who got into trouble a while ago for saying the Russian invasion is worse than the Holocaust because Hitler didn't genocide "his own people"?
Anyone the state designates as a foreign enemy is simply less of a human I guess
Accepting Nazi framing for German Jews, communists and homosexuals as "not Germans" to own the Russians.
It's one of those thought terminating clichés that immediately tells you if someone consumes fascist propaganda.
don't even get me started. ugh.
and then they also do this while simultaneously saying "do you seriously believe China/Russia's numbers?". Fuckers literally make shit up, and then claim that China makes up shit like covid counts. Pure projection.
When I challenged them on it they literally claimed that 10000 (the absolute highest estimate) is the same as tens of thousands
That absolutely highest estimate comes off from someone just riffing apparently, later he corrected it to the more accepted estimate of 2700. Literally just misremembering a number when speaking, I've no idea why it's cited as an estimate lol
later he corrected it to the more accepted estimate of 2700
That's still a ridiculous exaggeration. A variety of credible sources put it at about 300.
"you keep saying America bad that may be true but we're much better than china or Russia"
But why. Why is America better. In what material ways is it better. Because it kinda seems america is worse or as bad atleast based on the presented evidence of that very thread.
I can't find the skin color "OK/Not OK" chart emote so pretend I posted that
The facts are right there : America is better, and China is worse in the metric of 'u/Rune_Ore_Equities says so'
"What if the US ran over college students with tanks"
a) didn't happen in Tiananmen square
b) Kent State Massacre whomst?
Kent State Massacre whomst?
You don't have to go anywhere that far back. All those BLM protests suffered horrific police brutality, including cops just hitting people with their cars. The recent spat of SCOTUS protests involved civilian protesters hit with police cars. People at the NRA event in Houston and at the Uvalde got roughed up by police.
Yeah, I just meant "literally massacring protesting college students" as a direct parallel to what point they're trying to make here
A lot of those BLM protester were college students. I'm sure there were college students among the Roe protesters and Uvalde protesters.
Kent State is notable as a media/historical fixation. It was not a unique moment in which a US agent turned on university students. It was a unique moment in which the media institutions gave it substantial coverage. Modern day Kent State incidents simply aren't reported as such.
Yeah but Crime is right, it is the most salient comparison, and the most direct one since it happened specifically to college students at college. If the redditor wants to specify college students, might as well stick with the national guard literally gunning them down on campus in a wildly known massacre
All those BLM protests suffered horrific police brutality, including cops just hitting people with their cars.
Hmmm, I wonder how Reddit reacted to that (CW: racism, so much racism)
I'm sure bringing up the MOVE bombing would be "whataboutism" or some other thought-terminating bullshit
Naw, they usually go into math-mode and go "oh well the US did it less and killed less people (usually with some insistence that it was just a mistake and an outlier to our national character)" This is true, insofar as there were numerically fewer challenges that the United States needed to respond to at home when compared to other countries, especially AESs.
There is plainly no difference in willingness to violently suppress their population, however. Shit, it wasn't too long ago that their plan to go to war with the zoomers over poverty and climate change was revealed.
It is a completely insane comparison. One was an almost entirely peaceful dispersal of protesters and the other was an invasion that lead to the death of over one million innocent civilians.
There's nothing more "Orwellian" than the popular conception of "Tiananmen square" in the West. It is an indisputable fact that no intentional killings occurred inside the square itself. Camera crews were there the whole night, first-hand accounts of what happened confirm that , and even Liberal historical sources (like the "Oxford History of Modern China" ) admit it. And yet tens of millions of Americans are absolutely convinced that a hundred thousand people were run over by tanks and hosed down the sewers.
This isn't even getting into how bullshit the Western view of the protest's aims are. If the demonstrators got their way, they would have been more likely to support the reversal of Deng's destruction of the Chinese welfare state (and more state interference in the economy in general to lessen the effects of inflation) as opposed to the colour revolution which the State department hoped to induce.
Yeah, the biggest armed group at the protest was the Gang of Four's militias. Who were fighting to continue the cultural revolution. The students were a mix of anti-GoF and anti-Deng groups all basically wanting some form of cultural freedom.
The liberal reformists/American plants were a small minority and never really stood a chance of driving the protests towards color revolution because they represented such a small minority of the protestors. The PLA was essentially fighting a more radical group of maoist militia for control over the politburo with the students being caught in the middle.
I also believe comparing the two is insane, but probably not for the same reason. Idk I'm not subjecting myself to find out
One was a protest turned violent, the other was a genocide. Also show me those videos of cops running over protestors during the 2020 uprisings.
Comparing US atrocities to those of other countries is not allowed
But trust me, US is better.
But don't do the math.
But don’t do the math.
1 American > 100,000 Iraqis
Also, we didn't kill any civilians. They were all Fighting Age Male Enemy Combatants Who Hate Us For Our Freedom.
Yes america would famously never have cops decide to kill a bunch of people.
we are indeed light-years ahead of China. Our atrocities count far exceeds theirs.
