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Paul is ultraleft. His analysis is dogshit because he doesn't accept that China is a marxist-leninist state pursuing communism.
It's really fucking easy to take the position of opposing Russia if you think communists have absolutely no territory in all the world besides Cuba.
When you hold this position your analysis is essentially free of all risk, you just oppose everything, EVERYWHERE. You don't have to worry about the consequences of Russia losing to nato and how that might cause a bunch of nato bases on China's northern border which will lead to the eventual collapse of China through ops coming at them from every fucking side.
Yes Russia is capitalist. Yes Russia is not a friend. Yes Russia is bad. But China is the hope of communism in the world today and it will fall if Russia falls because it will not benefit from the policy of wait and see that the west previously performed when the soviet union was overthrown.
You come up with two completely different strategic ideas about the situation depending on whether you think China is communist and therefore communism has something to lose, or whether you think it's not and we have absolutely nothing anywhere in the world therefore nothing to lose in fighting class war on all fronts.
I stopped taking Paul Morrin seriously when he did the usual MLM spiel of calling Cuba a Soviet sugar colony.
Ew that’s so gross. Dude needs to read some books or at least listen to blowback season 2 lol
Didn't he call himself a marxist-leninist in the past? Lame. He's got a couple of good videos I point people to from time to time as they're educational but he's really weak on the geopolitical situation and should just shut the fuck up.
His content seems to get lazier and lazier over time too, I've lost count of the number of times he's used the clipreel in this video.
Yeah it is. China calls them the "ultraleft" and wants them to re-analyse their position.
If I also recall, Paul is either a member or associated with the YCL (young communists league) of Ireland that decided to actually literally split from the main CP-Ireland because it fell to ultra-left factionalists
which, for those that may not know, a YCL is the youth formation of the country's communist party. They're supposed to be inseparable because the youth group learn theory, practice, and leadership, from the main party to help them grow into joining the main party to repeat the process.
He was part of the Conolly Youth Movement IIRC which ended its association with CPI
Just looked it up and so it seems to have. Very disappointing, but not surprising with regard to the trend of ultra-leftism in the western communist movement
I don't know if I can easily blame either side. The communists in Ireland have always been very segmented, mostly unifying with radical socialists more than each other. I mean look at how the orthodox Marxist faction was the OIRA, but none of the other radicals supported them, many being far left or less "Marxist" socialists but way more militant and revolutionary like the Provos.
Plus people in occupied territory are bound to be more radical than elsewhere. Its the same reason the young leftists in the Provos ended up flanking the OIRA back in the day, since they could rally all the Republicans in Ulster who didn't want a ceasefire. Dissident Republicans still exist.
Just knee-jerk blaming ultras is why these splits happen. The CYM was kicked out as well as members (including on the Nation Executive Committee), and stripped membership from members in Northern Ireland, removing the Northern Area from its place in the party. I don't know the details or specific accusations, they seem to be buried. But my instinct is not to dump on ML splits from parties. For the same reason I don't blame CPC-ML for splitting in the 1970s, or just accept unity as a victory in and of itself, whoever keeps the official party name winning does not automatically mean the right side one, look at the CPSU with Khrushchev.
Disclaimer the CPI aligned new Greater Belfast Branch follows me on twitter and their social media team is certainly awesome, but that's why I feel the need to question my instinct of preferring them. And one has to be wary, they are not wrong that the situation is reminiscent of how CPGB became Eurocommunist and while I don't think that'll be the case, that trend is just as common as ultras splitting. And we are faced with the fact that the CYM does more direct action than anyone, making their expulsion feel even harsher
In Feb they formed the Irish Communist Reconstitution Committee whose statement can be found here http://communistpartyireland.ie/
edit: I found a blog post essentially, but that lists the CYM 16 points for disaffiliating https://www.thepensivequill.com/2021/02/is-this-end-of-connolly-youth-movement.html
they added their own editorializing, but separate. Interesting read and some internal politics specifics. CPI calling its own youth movement becoming full party members "entryism" is fucking hysterical
Why you posting sectarian pro-imperialist chauvinist videos then?
It doesn't matter whether Russia is anti-imperialist or not, but whether it performs an anti-imperialist function and ultimately serves the cause of anti-imperialism. People like to debate whether this or that org or country is anti-imperialist, treating anti-imperialism as a metaphysical property that's imbued within something and not as a real material movement towards the end of imperialism.
I don't know whether Iran is truly anti-imperialist in the sense that I don't know whether Khamenei has secret designs in creating a Shia caliphate that covers all of Western Asia or a neo-Achaemenid Empire. But what I do know, based on what has happened and is happening in the material world, is that Iran is playing a pivotal role in undermining Western hegemony by being a key player in the Axis of Al-Quds. I don't know whether Iran has malicious designs in turning Palestine into an Iranian neocolony, but what I do know is that Iran has done more to help the Palestinian resistance against the Zionist entity than any other country. One is mere speculation while the other is cold reality.
The sad truth is that anti-imperialist forces, principled or otherwise, within the imperial core is weak and enfeebled enough that the cause of anti-imperialism is advanced through incompetent Western imperialists rather than Western anti-imperialists. Trump's incompetent buffoonery has done more to undermine Western imperialism than any other anti-imperialist force within the West.
Perhaps this is one reason why Western leftists love to treat anti-imperialist as a metaphysical property. They retreat to idealism because even aspiring non-Western imperialists who no longer want to play second fiddle to Western imperialism are doing more.
In a sense, WW1 was one of the greatest anti-imperialist events in history and it was started and fought by imperialists.
Where is Russia's International Monopolist Capitalist Association? I'm sorry, but you can't even begin to compare the instruments of economic control that Russia has compared to the United States.
Like, holy fuck. Where's the Russian petrodollar? Where's the Russian IMF? America has managed to get most of the Western world to sanction Russia in some way almost instantly and all Russia can do in response is internal economics and control its fuel exports. We are comparing global market control to maybe a local sphere of influence at best.
He also suggests that oppressed nations deserve "critical support" which means fuck all when they are functionally economically held hostage by the western world. Russia might actually give these countries a second choice in terms of markets and trading.
You can throw all your "critical support" behind whatever country you want but if you start to oppose any action that might actually materially benefit them then the support isn't actually real at all. It's a LARP to make you feel good about supporting oppressed countries while endorsing the system that keeps them oppressed.
Yeah, the fact Russia got kicked out of SWIFT so quickly and easily kinda' tells me they'd be sub-imperialists at best. If the tool of imperialists to actually transfer capital across the globe is denied to them then how are the part of the imperialist camp in any meaningful sense?
I mean he’s arguing that they are part of a separate, but also (to a lesser extent) imperialist faction and that this is therefore imperialist infighting. He’s wrong about that and his arguments for Russia being imperialist are trash, but he isn’t saying that they are part of a unified “camp” with the US and other imperialist nations. He’s saying that they’re adversarial to that “camp”, but also that their camp is imperialist too lol. Basically he’s living in WW1 times and not understanding the real world implications of what Russias opposition to US hegemony could be.
It's shocking the amount of people who compare this to WWI. The two World Wars basically destroyed the concept of warring imperialist powers.
only an anticapitalist country can be anti imperialist
Stalin made many mistakes, but that single paragraph alone demonstrates him to be a hundred times smarter than any of the western radlibs that spend all their time seething at him.
I agree with Taimur Rahman's phrase "reactionary anti-imperialism" used in reference to this sort of thing. No, obviously not communist, but this war is breaking the west like strategically placed TNT in a quarry.
the only pro-russian people are fake lefties like haz and right wingers, this video is about people who don't exist, attacking positions nobody actually takes
so it's peak breadtube
Well, we have this moron on our very own hexbear and every useful idiot who upvoted their comments, but it is true they are utterly insignificant in the grander scheme
It's good that Russia is creating a bipolar world actually.
If you had any understanding of imperialism you'd know that this kind of action might genuinely be a breakout moment for those who wish to escape Western influence.
I'm not going to suggest that Russia is doing this out of the kindness of their hearts for our Communist cause, but if you don't support what they're doing then what do you support? What would you rather they'd have done? Sat back and let Western hegemony grow larger and larger while you sit back and think "I'm a good person for thinking war is bad"?
Russia is already making waves within the Global South. There's a reason why Mali invited the Russian military in after telling the French to get the fuck out.
Can you link sth about Mali actually inviting Russia? Haven't read it anywhere apart from comments here.
Here's a good overview of what's happening in the Sahel as well as France's attempts at maintaining their neocolonies: https://thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/sahel-conflict/
For Mali in particular, Mali pre-military coup was run by a government that was obedient to its neocolonial master, agreeing to be a member of G5 Sahel, which was just a way for France to maintain colonial control over its former colonies. Among the agreement was the stipulation that France could deploy troops in those West African countries.
In 2020, there was a military coup that ousted the Ibrahim-led government amidst popular support, partly due to Covid and partly due to him being a neocolonial stooge. Within days of the coup, there was already talk between the new government and Russia over military cooperation. The ramifications of the coup included being suspended from the African Union and the US withdrawing military aid.
In less than a year, there was another military coup, and the new new government since then has attempted to pursued a more independent foreign policy. Russian "military advisors" were invited in at least sometime before January 7, 2022 to answer your question.
In less than a month, Mali would tell Denmark to get the fuck out and the French ambassador to get the fuck out. Reading about the situation with Denmark is most illustrative. Back when Mali was ruled by neocolonial stooges, the red carpet was rolled out for the Danish. But now that the current Malian government is no longer run by Western worshiping sellouts and attempting to pursue an independent foreign policy, the Danish were told that they can fuck off back to Scandinavia. They don't need to be in Western Africa or Africa period.
In the present, Mali is no longer part of G5 Sahel and the French had been forced to withdraw their entire military. In just two years, Mali went from being just another country ruled by neocolonial puppets to a country that's attempting to break free from neocolonial control. I say attempt because they still are using the CFA franc and are currently facing sanctions from the ECOWAS.
May this be the beginning of the end for Francafrique.
I've commented elsewhere in this thread and am not looking to get dragged down into the quagmire of this, but also feel like it needs to be said that this idea that expressing opinion others deem not to be a harsh enough denouncement of something they don't like is by no sensible metric "support".
And certainly not any kind of material support, which seems to be the type that matters.
The idea that every comment on a niche leftist forum needs to be appropriately dismissive of and list every caveat to an international state's actions seems performative at best and wrecker shit at worst. This isn't about actions that actively hurt or impact real people in this community, it's about a very small number of account clutching their pearls that people don't adequately agree with them.
I disagree with loads of takes here, but appreciate that generally people take the time to explain their positions and consider the responses. Not to get all armchair psychology but I wonder if it stems from people feeling like they've found a refuge from being the extreme minority only to be confronted with something other than the perfectly comfortable agreement they hoped for. Maybe I'm just old and cynical, but plenty of real world organising and leftist orgs have assured me no such thing exists. You gather comrades, argue the details, and work together to get along and get shit done or else we might as well all be yelling to ourselves on Twitter.
Anyway, it's late and sorry if that was more of a ramble than it should have been, but this idea of 'support' being anything that digresses from an individual's personal opinion really fucking bugs me.
Russia is not reactionary in the Marxist sense. If you mean it is "conservative" then, yes, it is.
It is an illiberal country with a strong following of the Orthodox Church. You want me to get mad that their historical and cultural values don't align with Western liberalism?
Is not supporting Russia going to change their entire cultural outlook and identity? Will they see the error of their ways when Western leftists call them "sexist" and "homophobic"?
I think you maybe forget that even the US didn't have a majority support of same-sex marriage until 2008. I'm not sure what functional difference "support" is going to make in that regard.
Waving a Russian flag and calling them "based" is kinda cringe and basically LARP, but I just don't see where you're coming from in this angle.
Please tell tell that to the woman cradling her dead husband that actually it's good he had to die because wouldn't she rather live in a multipolar world? And that if she doesn't like it, all she has to do is simply overthrow her own government
Please tell that to the woman cradling her dead husband that actually it's good he had to die because wouldn't she rather live in a socialist nation? And that if she doesn't like it, all she has to do is simply not marry a policeman.
World historical progress is violent and turbulent and your anecdotal moralism is arbitrary.
Not one of the "reactionary putinists" on this site that are supposedly pro-Putin are in favor of civilian casualties. We want the war to end as soon as possible, and the way that happens is decisive Russian victory. NATO shouldn't have started this war, but Russia has to finish it. Just like it finished the NATO-started Syrian war. Just like it finished the NATO-started Kazak and Belarus Coups.
So, just to be clear, Haz, you are for the
invasionwarspecial military operation, think it is good that Russia invaded, and that the civilian casualties are a necessary evil in order to midly inconvenience the US and NATO who are getting the biggest boon to their self-propagation from this mess?The war started in 2014 when NATO threw a coup and installed fascists and started military buildup and killed all the leftists and russian speakers. 14,000 dead in the Donbass. 8 years of broken agreements and western lies and fascist paramilitary banditry. Russia should have gone in and wiped out the junta in 2014, but they were not yet sanction proof.
I am for Russia ending this junta and liberating Ukraine from western puppetry. I am for destroying a fascist forward base of the hegemonic world empire yes. You aren't westoid? What kind of solidarity with China and DPRK and Venezuela is that? They've all made the correct stances quite clear.
I am not Haz, you are an arrogant little westoid shit.
Can you explain how Russia was not sanction-proof in 2014 but is now? Because it does sound interesting.
Thank you for being honest. My stance is very simple: Ukraine, Russia and the US are right wing, Conservative, reactionary nationalist regimes dominated by imperialism and a slavish devotion to neoliberal practices. All have categorically rejected communism in its entirety. There is no solidarity to be found for their governments. Russia has rejected the class struggle, as has Ukraine and the USA. There is no question that NATO had a hand in restarting hostilities beyond what had been agreed by the Minsk treaty.
I do not see a grand repolarization and damage to the US's reputation from this. Hell, NATO just expanded a little bit more with Sweden and Finland joining. Russia has no clear path for "liberation" of Ukraine, they do not have the military means to institute a capitulation of the Ukrainian state, let alone an occupation, let alone "denazification" for fucks sake. They can't even occupy the country, they sure as shit aren't gonna go house to house dragging them out of their beds. They lost the momentum, and the most they can do right now is hold on to their gains, and inch across while suing for peace. Ukraine has chosen the maximalist, revanchist, irredentist line, at the behest of NATO, because if they don't Zelensky is probably as good as dead. In the meantime, I assure you that an invasion by a foreign power is the guaranteed surefire way to breed at least two to three generations of even more rabid nazis than what where created in 2014. Russia has no plan for dealing with that. So they've actually helped increase the already very large number of nazis, killed a couple in Mariupol, and in the meantime helped engineer another economic and food crisis in the global south by affecting Ukrainian food exports. I'm sure Yemen will also be a necessary casualty for the grand realignment.
Sweden and Finland haven't yet joined, they are being vetoed by Turkey who is making extreme nationalist demands and causing fractures within NATO. The Western economies are near collapse, with skyrocketing food and energy prices, an incoming recession, supply chain shortages & record breaking inflation all occurring at once. The US core will fair slightly better as European capital is going to flee to the US and European enterprise will be scrapped and sold for cheap. What's left of European social democracies will be slurped up by the US to compensate for capitalist crisis noted before.
Your idealist, moralist categorizations are naive and non pragmatic. Who cares if Russia is rightwing internally if their global actions are that of an ally to all AES states & a counter to the single monopoly imperialist, the anglo-American empire that has dominated freely the last 40 years. China agrees with me. DPRK agrees with me. Venezuela agrees with me. None of them sanction or denounce Russia, all support or quietly back them as they smash the NATO advance. Just like they smashed the NATO jihadist insurgency in Syria. Deal with it imperialist, Russia is acting anti-imperialistically and however your emotions make you squeamish they are the only ally China has got and if Russia falters then China will too.|
The world will only free itself from US dollar dominance, the IMF & other anglo-american imperiaist forces by violent struggle. It's not going to be morally clean, it never is. But I fully support an ally to all socialists destroying fascists who are put in power to attack them by imperialists, don't you?
Damn, your moralistic idealism changed my mind. I will now sit and wait around until a bloodless, non-violent revolution with no flaws occurs while wagging my finger at anyone who steps out of line.
You are correct, sorry. I now fully support United Russia and how they sat with their thumbs up their ass while Azerbaijan ethnically cleansed Nagorno-Karabakh of Armenians on Russia's doorstep (because it was anti imperialist).
Top down military operations with zero class character are good, actually. I love inching closer to nuclear war in order to make NATO stronger than ever, and this is actually just like a grand proletarian revolution, if you really think about it
If Russia intervened in Azerbaijan you would be calling them imperialist invaders. You can’t win with you ultra shits
you just linked to a whole-ass account, for a users whose ukraine-related posts are mostly on the money as far as I've seen. got anything specific?
https://hexbear.net/post/198201
This trash fire of a thread. Enjoy. Or don't.
I wanted a specific and you have linked me to an entire thread
try again, be specific, where's the putin support?
There isn't any.
There's just a thread of mostly considerate considerations within a geopolitical context and one user who, regardless of their stances, was probably overly aggressive and personal and is now banned anyway.
Even the OP of the thread concedes they can't identify pro-Putin stuff and shifts to vaguely asserting they've seen stuff on Twitter from accounts that claim to be Marxist.
There isn’t any.
Why is it every time some NATO defender shows up they can't come up with a single specific instance of Russian support
:brainworms:
At least hexbear isn't like reddit where it's just an unending cascade of these libs
Z poster's existence making all the liberals in this site out themselves
Russia, whether they chose this fate or not, are world historical guardians against European fascism and colonialism. Not for any principled reason but due to the peculiarities of their geography, resources & conditions.
lmao mate, the only reason we don't know fascism by it's Russian name is that the Bolsheviks won. our victories aren't guaranteed and they definitely don't last past a successful counterrevolution.
Oh hello again Haz, are you here to tell us about how Genghis Khan was a communist or you still embattled in attempting to discern between urethras, anuses and cervixes? Here's another fun one for you; cloacas. Why don't you go and look at some of those for a while
Make up another strawman and make crude sexual remarks to someone else lib
OK sorry, here's a pig shitting on its balls by way of apology :PIGPOOPBALLS:
Welcome to the new world order, you're being dragged kicking and screaming from your imperial perch.
You have to like Z_Poster. Z_Poster is more than a president. Z_Poster is an idea, a world-historical hero/ine, light itself.
Who are these supposed pro-russian people saying Z on hexbear? They don't exist
:I-was-saying: I was saying Z
I really don't like this radlib, not going to give him a view. Let me guess, "evil red fash tankies shouldn't be pledging their undying loyalty to putler's regime like they're all unequivocally stating everywhere without exception". Yawn, the compatible left glows on. We like dead nazis and thwarting the imperial hegemon's ambitions, critical support for those who accomplish it, but it doesn't change the fact that Russia still needs a new October. Paul is certainly just inventing a straw man to feed his hogs and nurse some left-anticommunist contrarian grievance obsession.
“Maoist” as in an MLM? Which communist governments or movements does he hold up as worthy of support? The problem I end up running into with certain Maoist groups is that they tend to be dogmatic to a degree that none of the people in their acronym ever were and all three of which actively wrote and spoke against that type of dogmatism. And I’m nothing resembling an expert but it seems to be a failure of the the theory itself (that is the theory synthesized by Gonzalo, who himself got so wrapped up in his dogmatic ideas that he ended up ordering atrocities and alienating the people he meant to help, thereby failing to take state power in a Peru where it was ripe for taking).
I'm literally begging people to learn what the Shanghai Cooperation Organization is.
I think my brain broke when he started, “let’s go down the list of defining features of imperialism per Lenin. Russia is imperialist because 1: Much of the economy is state owned” dead
Oh god I left a few comments making fun of the video and he started to reply lol
You're in combat now, comrade. Dig in deep and don't give up!
I was thinking about posting this video when it first came out but abstained cuz he mentioned China and I knew it would Activate certain posters on here lol
All the deranged Gonzaloites already did it to themselves so the deranged MLs have no one to fight with
