They have marble bust avatars, they are not common rabble
You know how much a marble bust NFT avatar even goes for these days? It's crazy
What the fuck is with that Robocop sheriff armor
It's bulky padded foam and plastic armor to protect against blunt force and thrown objects. It's a kind of riot armor.
Modern white supremacists generally think of themselves as sophisticated and elite. At least the ones that go out of their way to do this kind of stuff.
don't know what i like more, the hurt puppy dog vibe i'm getting from the fash or the "some days i hate this job" energy emanating from the cops
Cop at the scene said that Patriot Front was pulled over for having people in the back of their beloved U-Haul, shields, "spears" (probably flagpoles), and mentioned "conspiracy to riot" charges. When asked how the cops knew they were in the U-Haul, he said "informants."
lmao :fedposting:
https://twitter.com/NYCAntifa/status/1535742874075136001FBI infiltration or lgbt fascist that doesn't want to attack a pride event?
I can't imagine the FBI minding that much about a small group of fascists disrupting a pride event? Maybe I'm wrong though, maybe FBI had more reasons like testing the reaction of the department?
Something about this just isn't adding up for me, like there's a little more going on.
That might actually be it. Letting a bunch of fash openly beat the shit out of people with kids in a park might be bad enough PR for them to head things off.
Its the same reason why then went around "busting" all those ISIS plots in 2014-2015 that had zero ISIS involvement. Its all to justify them their budget to congress and east coast liberals. Both of whom are far more scared of the far right than the far left. The difference here is that there actually are plenty of actual white-nationalist terror plots to bust when there weren't many salafist ones.
it's also that they're the domestic wing of the federal security state. anyone who threatens the US government is on their shit list. doesn't make them much better at dealing with the fash but they are ideologically committed for the moment to take them down. that will change after a few more rounds of the right replacing their leadership but for the moment they'll keep entrapping the para-military orgs.
Describing cops doing their job as just justifying their budget has very similar energy to when politicians who are passing bills that provide material benefit to constituents as "buying votes".
I was describing the FBI not the cops. Cops probably did it because the FBI told them too.
Yeah, I didn't mean to convey that you're wrong that the cops (or fbi) perform their job to justify their budgets - that's their crumbs to funnel money to their pockets.
The other way around is what the libs describe a potentially useful government as doing (any government actually helping is buying votes).
I guess it's all projection
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Unironically, the feds tend to be more diverse than cops. Pink imperialism isn’t just a meme when it comes to shit like the FBI and CIA. In fact, in today’s age it would be nearly impossible to do their job without a diverse range of agents fucking about people’s business
I’ve seen gay feds, black feds, female feds, Asian feds, and trans feds at career fairs.
The Local cops might have instigated it if they didn't want outsiders coming up and creating a mess on their turf. There's a difference between letting your buddies that you drink with beat people up and a bunch of strangers from fuck knows where coming in to mess up your town.
It's Idaho. The cops are all 1488 types. They were probably in the group chats. Why one of them decided to snitch who knows.
Yeah that's really what I'm getting at, there's a "Why though?" question here. I'm not really convinced about wanting good-will after Uvalde that was put forwards. It all feels incomplete to me.
Power struggle could be a reason. Someone could’ve had a different plan or wanted to hold off until later or wanted to consolidate power but another guy influenced the group more so he had to get rid of that camp.
Or...
1.) The fash were going to do something that the police knew would get them in trouble with the feds if they didn't stop it
2.) the feds were giving orders and told the police to stop it
3.) The feds are flexing their muscles to remind the paramilitaries who is actually in charge and that there is a limit on how much leash they're allowed.
Very possible, but feels more possible that regular nazis wanted to do regular assault on the pride parade
Gotta get that sweet overtime money for doing even less than usual
I'm actually inclined to believe these are feds, because it's more believable that the police would stage a false-flag and pretend to put some feds in jail for propaganda, than it is that they'd actually arrest white nationalists
Don't get too conspiratorial. non-state paramilitaries are still a challenge to the state's monopoly on the legitimate use of force. If they were going to do something that would embarrass the police, or if the feds are leaning on the police, it's easy enough to arrest all these guys. They can just let them go in a few hours, or drop charges later.
Yeah them getting arrested actually leads me to believe there were legitimate informants in their ranks since I’m sure that would come out and it looks like these guys were serious about fucking some people up
NPR reported on the arrest this morning. Its all misdemeanor charges. They'll get slapped on the wrist and sent home
These aren't feds.
Most have been arrested before for assorted chuddery like defacing LGBT and BLM murals.
:frothingfash: Owned
Also, uh, way to go Idaho police I guess...
ACAB of course but this is surprising for Idaho tbh
Very surprising for Idaho. Couer d’Alene cops are known far and wide as particularly terrible in terms of how they treat people day to day.
Even simple innocuous questions can give the cops information they can feed in to their database and use later. "Are you here alone?" Not with an org, independent, not valuable as an informant. "Are you with this group?" Creates a link between the individual and the group. They can map links between the group, the individual, and other individuals to figure out how the org works, who it's members are, which members are critical to the function of the org.
Don't talk to cops.
Not surprised this shit going to happen more often from now on. What is interesting is 3 days ago this group made a post on reddit and that Frogsknecht guy on r/europeansocialists you know the nazbol sub was peddling them a year ago or so.
To all the people confused as to why the cops actually busted them: they are discipling them. Letting these fascists do what they wanted would run counter to the goal of maintaining white supremacy and capitalism in general. It would lead to bad pr and likely make the left more powerful.
It would serve as powerful motivation for the LGBT community to arm themselves and form their own security groups, undermining the authority of the state. The state is way more effective at maintaining these rotten structures than even the best organized fascists in America could.
And attacking the LGBT community doesn't actually help preserve the system very much because being gay no longer threatens the ruling class or the structures that keep them ruling. The only reason it ever did was because the discrimination LGBT people faced was so extreme it gave the community great revolutionary potential. Giving LGBT people the protection of the state defangs them.
I think you're getting too big picture here. At some point, you have to recognize that the White Supremacists in Idaho, specifically, are a chronic thorn in the side of a state government that's a few miles to the right of Wyoming's Cheney aristocracy.
They aren't even "a threat to capital" so much as a threat to one another.
This really is just a feud between rival gangs of goons. Pure Sopranos shit. It's a struggle within the state for control between fascist factions.
On another day, with a different group of people in office, their roles could easily be reversed.
Discipline in this context means to assert control over, in the sense of keeping the group cooperative. The group that would make the decision to stop the attack is the group that is most often going to be more powerful within the police force because the dynamics I described.
And how does attempting to pull off an attack on a pride event serve to gain the group doing the attack any power in comparison to the local police? I don't think it does. Fascist power struggles don't really look like this.
I think you are taking the idea of cops being fascists too literally. It's almost literally true, but this situation is a good demonstration of how it's not entirely true.
Fascists communicate most clearly with violence. They don't call the cops for permission, they go and do it and decide what the cops are saying based on how they use their violence. And adjust future actions based on what they heard the cops "say".
The cops did not mess with the people walking around passively intimidating people and not technically breaking any laws. But they arrested the people who came being too obvious about it. I expect the organized fascists to have heard the message: be like Rittenhouse, not like the Proud Boys. You can have"fun", but don't start "trouble".
Regardless of the intent of the individuals arrested, the way this will be treated by the fascist groups as a whole is as a probing attack. A scouting mission.
And how does attempting to pull off an attack on a pride event serve to gain the group doing the attack any power in comparison to the local police?
Assuming the Pride event is attended or endorsed by state officials? Coeur d'Alene is spitting distance from Spokane, and a chronic battlefield for nativist Idahoians who think Washington is encroaching on their turf.
Making a border town hostile to West coast transplants serves to both rally regional bigots to a unifying cause and intimidate border locals with an interest in encouraging coastal development and migration.
The cops did not mess with the people walking around passively intimidating people and not technically breaking any laws. But they arrested the people who came being too obvious about it.
I don't know what the cops were up to outside of what was reported. That said, I suspect these guys see the local city leadership as their team and the Idaho nativists as "foreign" in the same way the nativists think Coeur d'Alene's government is a puppet of Spokane's.
Likely true, but consider this: during the George Floyd protests cops in most cities did not see fascists from our of town as being non-native, and collaborated with them. If these fascists had been attacking something that did threaten capital, I think the cops would have temporarily forgotten about that dynamic and let them proceed. Or at least wouldn't have arrested them.
That's the whole deal with thinking about politics in primarily material terms. These group dynamic things matter a lot, but when material things are on the line suddenly they don't.
during the George Floyd protests cops in most cities did not see fascists from our of town as being non-native, and collaborated with them.
In Ferguson, the cops were - themselves - non native. The St. Louis PD has jurisdiction over the county, but the residents have no electoral impact on St. Louis offices.
It's a fundamentally different relationship here. Coeur d'Alene isn't a country captured by a larger right-wing municipal government. It's a liberal enclave running counter to the prevailing culture of the state.
lmfao hope they enjoy being free prison labor
honestly there are so many vibes. reminds me of some pics of captured ISIS militants
It'd be good to follow up and see whether they're actually charged, what their bail is set at if they are charged, and so forth. This could very well just be the police telling them to knock it off for the day then releasing them in the evening or tomorrow.
They'll be kept in holding for a few months at best, their bail will be set low and the charges dismissed. They're not going to prison.
