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I love that vtuber fans raise so much shit when some content moderation comes in because they want to feel more comfortable on their own stream so people lose their shit and harass them until they have to fucking leave. It's so fucking bizarre to see so many people so confidently fucking wrong about the damn slur. It's a shame that she seems to have backpedaled on it and unbanned the word now but goddamn shit is bad.
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I got in trouble once at my last job for "bullying" a transphobe. lmao get fucked nerd.
I think after the weebs and the gamers get the wall, reddit pedants should be next.
as a former reddit pedant I can attest that I did, and arguably still do, deserve wall/pit.
I like to think I've rehabilitated though.
refuse to acknowledge it’s a boring fucking game
Not if I make you face the wall first :brace-cowboy:
SMT obviously has better combat and dungeons but don’t fuck with my small rural-ish town simulator or I’ll throw you into a TV
jfc don’t tell me you can fuck that teacher, why do they always have to do that :cringe:
Lost Judgment was last year’s GOTY because you can beat up high schoolers, an immeasurable improvement already
Are the other Persona games better in that regard? I'm interested in playing 5 but I've also heard some sus stuff about it
what the fuck :what-the-hell: ya know I think I'll pass on them as well.
"HE DIDN'T USE THE MEME WORD SO IT DOESN'T COUNT"
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Arguments with these nerds always looks like a 12-year-old trying to lawyer themselves one more hour on the Xbox
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I just don't get it, why is this the hill weebs so consistently choose to die on?
If they have to do some reflection on this, they might have to have a discussion about their loli and shota fetishes too
Anyone who uses the word deserves to be punched in the head. The minute someone tells you it's offensive you should stop, not try to rules lawyer your way out. I hope Finana gets some support from Niji and the broader vtuber community, I would hate to see her bullied off for this.
The gay/trans panic defense always bewilders me. Like, all you would need to do is roll over and say "I'm sorry, I don't really feel comfortable doing this", but men can't even manage to do that. Is the general concept of consent really that poor?
YOU MADE ME DO THE GAY, MY MANLINESS IS DIMINISHED :monke-rage:
When you literally see something as subhuman objectificating them isn't too far off base. In fact they just feed into eachother.
Weren't reddit weebs having this same discourse like a year ago? Also vtubers have always seemed weird to me. It's the intersection of pervert weebs, "idol" culture and the gross communities of female streamers. It just seems so very male gazey with the oversexualized avatars. The tech is kind of cool, and it does put a layer between creepy fans and the streamer,but that just might make people more likely to harassment. The other part is that they aren't just like an independent streamer, they are under control of companies which is just another overcommodifiied culture thing. It's just a subset of terminally online 2020s internet.
Ah. I just know from seeing it on my reddit and then googling what is a holo live. My experience is more a cultural osmosis thing.
completely understandable. the requisite technology is pretty cheap these days so it's not really any more expensive than non-vtuber based streaming would be.
A Vtuber, Finana, made a post a couple days ago stating that she was going to ban the use of the slur "trp" because it made her uncomfortable, especially when playing gacha games where they had a number of femboys and chat would regularly use the word. You then had the reactionary anime pfp people start freaking out over censorship with a chud youtuber activating his audience to increase the harassment campaign. So the comments under her announcement of the ban are absolutely teeming with chuds crying about free speech and that it's not actually a slur and only over-sensitive people took away the funny meme word because they've "dated trps" and they know what they're talking about apparently. Finana did a quick video at like 3am today stating that she was going to take a break and I believe she walked back her ban after the backlash was just too much for her.
I personally find it bizarre since a lot of twitch vtubers I watch have relatively strict rules on transphobia and you don't see such unadulterated weeb rage over a word they have no rights to and will do exactly like what you see in the original post.
This problem tends to float around in the vtuber circles with agency management like Nijisanji and Hololive, from what I've seen. There's a more idol-like presentation to these groups that tends to attract more of a "weeb" mindset and all the baggage that comes with that. I think that some really rotten types of weebs think that because Niji/Holo talents have bosses to answer to, and group reputation to manage, that they can boss around the talents.
Also, those two being Japanese companies you don't get Pride Month/Black History Month/etc celebrations or other LGBT or diverse messaging that's become standard for public-facing companies in the West in the past decade, which makes them look based or whatever to chan weebs
Hololive does a better job shutting down onvious bigotry though, because they're really pushing the idol concept and don't want any potential customers turned away. Niji tends a bit more edgy so more stuff gets through. Not to just purely defend hololive as the brainworms are telling me to, they let their talents talk about Lolis and shotas which they shouldn't, but that doesn't affect the bottom line at all. They very comfortably get away with it because it's not the EN branch that does it and by the time you are in deep enough to hear Matsuri or Fubuki say some cringe you probably are too invested to stop.
They very comfortably get away with it because it’s not the EN branch that does it and by the time you are in deep enough to hear Matsuri or Fubuki say some cringe you probably are too invested to stop.
It is weird to see Japanese Vtubers joke about that stuff like it's the equivalent of a foot fetish
Oh yeah, it's a pretty severe problem, and it's always a cringe point when an EN talent talks to a JP talent that makes a joke about lolicon and you can tell that even though the EN talent is trying to play it off like a joke, they're also very urgently trying to change the subject.
Not a position I'd want to be in honestly. You'd think some of the talents would be pretty conscious about this and other problematic stuff in the anime community but I assume they can't really say anything because of management AND because the fanbase would tear them to shreds
Just Japanese people in general. I'm not going to say every Japanese person is a pervert because that's obviously racist, and in many ways American culture is comparable, but the fact you can find pedophilic content very easily is incredibly awful. I enjoy miss Kobayashi's dragon maid but I can't recommend it because of some very suggestive scenes with minors.
Yeah, I wouldn't call the vtubers in question vile pedophile chuds or anything, it's just so baked in to the nerd culture there.
Kind of surprised it hasn't been talked about more in Western media considering how big Hololive has become though
I definitely don't think Suisei or Fubuki would ever actually do something to a young boy given the chance, but it's always worrying to see. I'm also not as sure Matsuri could be trusted around a young girl, she has violated people's boundaries repeatedly and often.(I'm fighting my inclination to say there's nothing wrong with the idols, vtubers sure are a powerful drug).
I do genuinely think it's because it is so hard to make heads or tails of what's going on in hololive unless you are into it. Like, are you gonna write an expose on several popular vtubers to an audience of boomers that won't get it, or just make another article about Japanese shota porn being sold everywhere? Most people won't bother to research it because they'll be sick of vtuber clips, or they are into it and don't want people to know about the worse aspects of it.
Idk, I wouldn't speculate on whether the Japanese lady playing an anime girl on stream is a potential pedo because she horseys around with her coperformers on stream
They're playing that stuff up for the viewers
Anime, for as big as its gotten in the last decade, is still a pretty self-contained community/niche in the West, and talking about the pedophilia problem in the anime industry is a motherfucker of a third rail to piss on in that community, so nobody with both the platform and the credentials to speak with authority on the issue can do so without committing career suicide.
It's really resembling of the "Nazi walks into a punk bar" parable, in a sense.
Oh, for sure, they could talk about it. I just get the impression that, for people with an audience within the anime community, there's a nervous radio silence out of a fear of becoming a target if they say anything too inflammatory.
I would like to see some investigative journalism about the whole thing from a publication like Kotaku or Polygon, though, definitely.
Can you name the vtubers? I've only seen the more mainstream ones on youtube and considering who hangs around in their friend circles I assumed they would only care in the broader sense of no obvious bigotry.
I feel like most of the people I recommend would get me taken away by :volcel-judge: but they're also pretty chill as well.
Nyanners explicitly states no transphobia in her rules which compared to most bigger vtubers I've seen is somewhat unique since most just tend to say "be nice." She's done some collabs with more sus people in the past like Sodapoppin but generally the people she hangs around are also pretty chill. Her discord has pronoun options and other stuff too.
Projekt Melody is pretty trans positive though her chat rules don't explicitly mention transphobia on Twitch or CB, a lot of her sex educational content on youtube is specifically worded to be trans inclusive. Her first rebooted episode of Lewdcast had a few of her friends where they spent some time talking about some of the bullshit sides of sex work.
Beyond those two I haven't really watched enough of other people to be confident in giving a full throated recommendation.
Personally, the more openly queer vtubers tend to be a bit better about this stuff overall and independent people just do what they want. Like Scraeming said, the cultivated idol approach does allow a very toxic mindset to grow in the community where indies tend to be presented as just regular people.
Nyanners I knew about already. She already has the eternal ire of 4-chan weebs so she's arguably the only one who has nothing to lose. Im really shocked that Melody is that cool with how much I remember the absolute worst weebs singing her praises. I used to watch iron mouse but then I found out she's genuinely friends with the :le-pol-face: ghoul that is Nux Taku. So that sucked.
Didn't Nux have a falling out with the VShojo crew? I'll be honest, I've been pretty out of the loop for a while now, but I did hear something about that.
It got resolved in the background I think? I know a few of them including Iron mouse ended up apologizing to him very quickly. Nyanners especially was quick to to tell him to fuck off and I don't think that was ever walked back publicly.
"Gay panic" bullshitters get the wall. I have seen videos of gay/trans bashing where the basher goes way beyond self defense. It's horrible shit I won't describe here. They deserve every meter of the fall when we throw them into the pit. :pit:
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