• WhyEssEff [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    the shooter is white teen/college age.
    the North Shore has a notoriously large Jewish population.
    on July 4th which could juices fash to do ‘patriotic’ shit.

    :doomjak: non-zero chance this is a fash thing

    • TheCaconym [any]
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      Watch it collapse and hope in its dying throes it doesn't nuke the planet with its giant death machine. I don't think anything else would work by now. An actual description of the country in a book would be rejected by publishers as 'too on-the-nose dystopic' at this point.

      • FuckingFerengi [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Hopefully China realizes soon that an America in decline is a global liability, and accepts that exporting revolution is the only way to prevent global catastrophe.

        • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Honestly I feel that with the newly aggressive belt and road initiative in lots of country's pissed off by US imperialism that they hopefully ramp this up alongside realizing they will need to immediately seize nuclear devices from the US as well as find a way to make sure it's armed forces don't go off the rails.

          • BinLaden [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            It won't be seizing. The will just economically isolate the US and then defensively intercept any attempts the US makes to use nukes.

            I highly doubt the US has even maintained their nuclear weapons well enough they wouldn't fail to launch

        • DivineChaos100 [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          I don't think it's that easy to export revolution to a country where the police is military 2 full of right wing dickheads.

          • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            Take note that the police are legit frightened by armed responses and militancy. I feel that if any actually sponsored leftist revolutionary front were to occur here they would likely easily hobble police responses (then the national guard would come in and you'd get northern Ireland with checkpoints and controlled movement but even that would likely fuck up things even worse). Overall I just feel the US is actually very internally fragile once that bridge has been crossed (imagine Russia and China just throwing money and arms to every single revolutionary and secessionist oriented group you could imagine.

            • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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              2 years ago

              A leftist insurgency under normal circumstances, with roads and electric and water grids intact and farms shipping out corn and soy, would be crushed.

              However, under unusual circumstances that favored integration, redundancy, inclusivity, and local resilience... if a bunch of stuff were to collapse by an act of God, we'd mostly just have to survive on our own and defend our permaculture communes.

        • TheCaconym [any]
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          2 years ago

          Close to the scenario of Jericho, except in it it's a giant defense megacorp nuking its own country with some help from the CIA.

    • RION [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Carve out a living as well as you can, try your best to insulate yourself and your loved ones from the impending collapse. Strengthen community ties. Work towards greater self-sufficiency and stock up on whichever necessities you can't easily find locally (medication and medical equipment for instance).

      My plan is to scrimp and save as much I can in the next couple years to nab a relatively isolated property in a climate resilient region when the housing bubble pops. I won't lie, my timeline has accelerated quite a bit in the last month or so.

      • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        It's been amazing seeing lib friends (who previously freaked when I was a open pro gun leftist) now ask me how to go about buying a gun and where to safely shoot it

      • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Carve out a living as well as you can, try your best to insulate yourself and your loved ones from the impending collapse. Strengthen community ties. Work towards greater self-sufficiency and stock up on whichever necessities you can’t easily find locally (medication and medical equipment for instance).

        What do I, as a Lennie Small type of individual, do?

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      All empires die, this one is no different and the productive forces unleashed by capitalism has sped up the process

      I don't think we'll have to wait centuries for the collapse to play out like with Rome, and in the meantime our job should be to make sure the "Charlemagne of the United States" is communist, that's the best we can hope for given current conditions

    • Ecoleo [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      On another note, why are these shooters so rarely over the age of 25? Is it a brain development thing or what?

        • Ecoleo [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Yes these all help explain the whole shooter phenomenon, but how does that factor into the aspect of them all being so young?

          • BinLaden [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            less to lose, typically losers who haven't gotten what they feel entitled to, directed towards incel extremism.

            the shooters are almost always young white men who feel that their seat at the white supremacist table has been unjustly stolen from them

    • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      on the other hand, a mass shooting at a Fourth of July parade is the most deeply American thing I’ve seen :agony-immense:

        • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Mass shootings are so ingrained into the public consciousness as a uniquely American phenomenon that I would not be surprised if there would be a chud brain that thinks mass shootings are patriotic :pain:

        • buh [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          There's a lot of hogs out there who are so far gone they hate America (and by extension things like the 4th) because the government isn't as openly racist/ghoulish as they are

          • VernetheJules [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Right, for a completely nihilistic fash this would be a good way to keep up the shock and horror after something like Ulvade

            Alone, shooting up a July 4th parade in a ritzy part of the country might seem slightly less depraved than an elementary school. But it's the fact that this comes after Ulvade (which comes after other events, etc.) is a compounding factor that maintains the terror. And there's plenty of these chuds who want to do that, so rather than think "when will it end?" my mind is headed towards "who's next?"

            They might not be able to completely exterminate their targets, but they can keep commiting acts of terror.

  • crime [she/her, any]
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    2 years ago

    It's fucked up that my first thought was "well, I'm glad it was a July 4th parade and not a pride parade"

    Feels like it's gonna be used to rile the hogs and escalate violence and crackdowns on the left though

  • happyandhappy [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    didnt a user LITERALLY joke that this would happen last shooting thread :doomjak:

  • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    18-20 years old white male blue/white shirt

    probable nazi shooting people celebrating the most successful white supremacist project in history :amerikkka-clap: literally nowhere is safe from these people :agony-immense:

  • halfpipe [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Still at large? I know the pigs seem to chicken out every time there's an actual threat, but how they fuck do they let him get away after firing from a rooftop? Even if they were too afraid to go up there all they had to do was block the exits.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Fog of war. It can be difficult to ascertain where shooting is coming from if you know how to do it. The shooter would need less than a minute to dump a magazine or two into the crowd then book to a getaway car. In that time period people would likely still be running away or attempting to help injured people. No one is likely to be looking at the back exit of a building, and the shooter could easily be lost in the chaos.

    • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Too busy seeking cover to worry about returning fire? Their job is to go home at the end of the day, not confront some madman with a gun.

  • VernetheJules [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Didn't someone around here say that civil war here would resemble The Troubles? I don't know much about the The Troubles but that sounds accurate.

    • thirstywizard [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The Troubles meets Years of Lead. Seen that quote doing rounds on the collapse r*ddit too. Being here seeing it, and based on what I've read on the two its starting to check out. US Balkanization won't be a quiet into the night for sure, I just hope the states don't nuke everyone and themselves on the way out.

        • thirstywizard [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          First 5 min of Balkanization; Texas nukes everyone to make Biblical prophecy come true.

      • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        The Troubles meets Years of Lead

        What exactly was the difference between the two beyond geographical location?

        • thirstywizard [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Triggering points were different too and can't exactly be separated so smoothly from geography (there was an urban rural split too in where the violence occurred), here's a tldr; The Trouble was a question of rights of a nation to self-determination, Years of Lead was more political-social-economic determination.

          I figure the US will be a bit of both in there are states or regions that want to secede no longer feeling they belong to the country because of religion and political reality (The Troubles, though not quite since the US isn't a true nation), and there are fascists that are out killing leftists/whoever they don't like, which will eventually lead to retaliation (like Years of Lead) since people don't exactly sit there and die when they can see an obvious causer of death and this will radicalize some (a lot of it was paid opportunist faction sadly), unfortunately most will become ultras or ideologically confused. In Years of Lead there was a monarchist-funded Maoist Hitlerite group, in our version Lyndon Larouche will getting his paid patsocs to join up with Patriot Front or something.

            • thirstywizard [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Franco Freda was the leader of the group, I can't remember who the aristocrat was. Nazbols aren't and weren't always just terminally online fools.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    every single time this happens most people I know will argue that every single person needs to be armed at all times. They'll say it's somehow more of a threat, and that shooters will be less likely to attack if they know everyone's armed. I asked one person how you could properly trust a stranger who you meet who's visibly armed. They didn't have an answer, rather a kind of "You just know if a person's a good person."

    yeah I don't believe these kinds of attacks are done by people who have a long term strategy or even expect to live through the encounter. They don't assess the risk going in, they don't believe in a future and just go.

    I'm for the working class being armed, but also organized.

    • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      They didn’t have an answer, rather a kind of “You just know if a person’s a good person.”

      :us-foreign-policy:

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      yeah I don’t believe these kinds of attacks are done by people who have a long term strategy or even expect to live through the encounter.

      considering these stories usually end with "before turning the gun on himself" i think you're right

  • ThisMachinePostsHog [they/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    This video is super jarring . You can hear at least a dozen rounds go off, and people are still sitting in their chairs watching the parade. I can't imagine what it feels like in those first few moments of confusion, when the reality sets in that there is an active shooter about to completely fuck up whatever it is you had planned.