https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2022/07/11/is-the-west-running-out-of-ammunition-to-supply-ukraine/
Would be extremely funny if North America just runs out of ammo and then gets steamrolled by like, Cuba sending six dudes on rikimbilis and every chud in the US and Canada just has to watch because they're all out of ammo and gasoline, and they can't catch up to a dude on a bike.
Americans assume it's an act of war, but he's actually just on vacation, and accidentally has the United States surrender to him.
It's gonna come out that there are deals in place where arms dealers are paid to maintain stockpiles of munitions or at least have extra manufacturing capacity on hand in case of a sudden rise in demand, but that instead of sticking to them they just took the money and then sold all those stockpiles and extra machines and instead are operating on a just-in-time manufacturing paradigm like every other business, isn't it?
This is such a huge clusterfuck yet also incredibly predictable to the point of being uninteresting news. They’re really just arming the next few decades of global conflict with the newest weapons and wiping their hands of it as a job well done. I said it in the opening weeks of the war but I’m excited for the new season of 24 featuring eastern european terror cells in our inevitable futures
Nah, once an errant stinger missile blows up an american jet or some other sufficiently big terror attach we’ll have a new cast of enemies. If american cinema has taught us anything it’s that we just want to watch the same movie over and over again but we need new characters to not get bored
No country can spend WWII levels of armaments without turning the entire country into a full wartime economy.
In WWII Russia when taking Berlin fired millions of rockets and missiles. Still to this day some of the largest rocket barrages in warfare. To accomplish that over 10k Russian soldiers were involved in the logistics of getting just those rockets to Germany via train. We are talking about hand packing rockets in rail cars without pallets and then taking them out again on the other side. A staggering amount of manual labor was involved.
Russia and NATO both have limits for hardware and arms that they will be running up against in the last half of this year. All those cold war treaties in the 1990's dramatically lowered Cold War stocks on both sides. It will take over a decade just to replace the cruise missiles fired so far by Russia. NATO is 18-24 months out on topping up its Stinger and Javelin stocks. Some of the MLRS systems given to Ukraine so far won't be replaced until the late 2020's.
Neither Russia nor NATO countries have the stomach for a full wartime economy. This conflict will eventually simmer down for a long pause like after 2014. Probably sooner than later.
I guess time will tell. But if there's one thing that US is famous for, its the sudden mass mobilization of the MIC.
Yeah, but that was under governments that hadn't gradually privatized and devolved all their power until they were husks that purely funneled taxes into creating orphans overseas
Nowhere near the amount of machinists, engineering techs, etc to work in those plants like back in the cold war.
America has plenty of engineers and scientists, but it would take 12-18 months to train enough folks who actually know how to work the lathes.
No they are running out of shitty old systems they don’t care about. This is MIC grift to freak people out and get more funding, like “the Soviets have a missile gap! We have to get more or we are outgunned and doomed!”
The MIC is always doing this, claiming it’s going to collapse if it doesn’t get an additional $100 billion this year
It's the "missile gap" bullshit from the Cold War all over again. :seen-this-one:
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Don't worry folks, when we run out of conventional arms there are still enough nukes to destroy the planet a hundred times over
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The alleged ammunition shortage is probably just a marketing campaign by the MIC but it could also be used as an excuse to cut the Kiev-government lose and distance the west from the losing side without outright admitting defeat.
The :LIB:s down the street from me already pulled down their Ukraine flags.
My understanding from radio war nerd is they’ve likely been selling the stuff for decades and are now running headlong into that fact
Keep in mind that Ukraine's leadership has been wildly unstable since at least 2006.
When your successor is likely going to replace you in a coup, there's no point hording ammo for a rainy day. Use it or lose it.
Yea it’s all about the short term cash out when you’re at the top of a very shaky pyramid
should’ve been infinite in supply
Why? Were the Soviets known for stockpiling ammo?
Soviet ammo stocks for WWIII were mostly located in the Western part, mostly in Ukraine.
The USSR built massive stockpiles in the event they would become involved in a ground war against NATO.
"Quick I'm starting up a new ammo factory, hurry up and manufacture some consent so that the rubes pay for it with their taxes" -Board member to media company they own
Looking forward to planting Victory Gardens for a proxy war meant entirely to funnel wealth to the MIC.
Fact: There are only ever 1,300 Stinger missiles in the world at any given time
These kind of articles about the west lacking of military materials make me suspicious that it might be a way for arm manufacturers to ask for more fundings
Many of the arms manufacturers have no way to up scale production.
Ukraine need old soviet ammo and the US only had a limited amount of that and can't make it
The "We're Running Out Of Ammo" articles come straight out of the can. They're peak American Propaganda, straight up ghost-written by arms manufacturers looking to lobby Congress for another round of purchases.
I remember how we "ran out of Tomahawk Missiles" in 2003 and we "ran out of armored vehicles" in 2007 and we "ran out of bullets for the IRS" in 2013 and we "ran out of bombs to use against the Taliban" in 2017.
We're always running out of ordinance. Almost as though we are constantly running through it due to all the wars we're in.
lol, at what point (I guess this one) does $120,000 unit cost and extended production time become a disqualifying factor in the design specs of a single use explosive weapon?
That $120,000 cost is probably unrealistically bloated because the military-industrial complex is completely deranged. No way even remotely that much actual labor goes into making one of those, it probably mostly goes to capitalist pockets.
Devices that don’t even work that well. We have sent how many tens of thousands of Stingers and Javelins to Ukraine to be used against Soviet era tanks and helicopters, and they’ve managed to knock out maybe a couple hundred tanks/APCs and a negligible amount of helicopters/jets?
In the yanks' defence those weapons are being operated by woefully untrained soldiers. They would probably be less shitty if they were being operated by people who were trained to use them.
Ukraine had nearly 100k NATO trained soldiers up to NATO standards at the start of the war
Had.
And those soldiers were trained on mostly Soviet and Russian systems and had to learn to operate the new systems first. This has been a problem for the Ukraine from day one, they simply lack the time and resources to do proper training.
Mostly into a loan Ukraine could use to operate it's government
