Fuck yeah. I mean, this list is very long, but let's roll with it. Here for the thread.
My contribution: Taken. All of Europe is either effite depraved frenchmen who cannot do what needs to be done or vile oriental hordes of vaguely muslim heritage that will rape and human traffic your women.
The politics are incredibly vile, and I just love the added chef's kiss of Liam Neeson playing the ultimate Divorced Dad.
Edit: Death Wish, Dirty Harry, etc. all hit this pleasure-center of the :frothingfash: brain.
The only thing that made it worthwhile was John Wick, where suddenly all the vengeance is justified over a fucking dog.
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All that makes me think of is The Last of Us- the whole point of Ellie and Joel's dynamic, the whole point of the entire game, is that Joel is actually a horrible person, but look at how easy it is to empathize with the people who are made one of "Us" even when they're awful.
It's such a simple core theme, and so many :frothingfash: and :gamer-gulag: (but I repeat myself) were so primed to just accept Joel and Ellie as surrogate father and daughter with no complexity because that was already such a prevalent genre and the curtains are fucking blue. To such a degree that they started harassing the voice actor of the character who killed Joel in the sequel because how dare you kill my video game dad surrogate? lmao fucking gamers
It's a credit to the sheer craft on display that that scene was honestly pretty harrowing despite the fact that I really wanted him dead.
Still glad he died though lol.
I have problems with TLoU2 (the fact that the creators honestly thought the whole game was a giant Israel-Palestine allegory throws EVERYTHING into super :yikes-1: :yikes-2: :yikes-3: territory, and the whole epilogue was just honestly too much misery for its own sake- Ellie didn't need any further karmic punishment and having Abbie and Lev literally get enslaved and crucified is fucking ridiculous and needless). It was not nearly as deep a game as it thought it was, but it was still somehow too deep for gamers, and that leaves me feeling like I have to defend it more than I would like a lot of the time lol
Me too, but I thought TLOU2 did a pretty good job not verging too hard into that territory until the epilogue. Even the scene that was so bad I could barely watch the trailer they put it into (god that was a dumb fucking decision) didn't bother me as much when I saw it in context.
It seemed like Ellie having failed to get revenge and given herself nightmarish, crippling PTSD was punishment enough, alongside everything that happened to Tommy and Jesse. So much of the PTSD came down not just to what she witnessed, but what she did, that seemed like a pretty clear thematic message, and she was very clearly not ok.
But then those raiders in Santa Barbara were just next-level too-edgy bullshit, what they did to Abby and Lev was just fucking unnecessary. And Ellie coming back and having Dina and the baby be gone felt like too much- and then I actually said "oh fuck off" outloud when I saw that Ellie couldn't play guitar anymore, it's such a cartoonish, "whoa aren't we just so deep, man?" extra little cherry to put on top.
But then those raiders in Santa Barbara were just next-level too-edgy bullshit, what they did to Abby and Lev was just fucking unnecessary
But also completely in character for the rich whites of Santa Barbara
Ellie is wearing Dina’s bracelet again in the epilogue, so she likely returned to Jackson and reconciled with her in the end despite it all.
I’m pretty sure Ellie uses the farmhouse as a place to mourn for Joel, and her leaving the guitar outside the case in combination with the fact that she can finally draw his eyes in her journal is a way of her finally letting go and moving on. Her final in-game memory of Joel being a positive yet bittersweet one kind of reinforces this.
But then those raiders in Santa Barbara were just next-level too-edgy bullshit, what they did to Abby and Lev was just fucking unnecessary.
They are quite literally slavers. Crucifixion is supposed to be a deterrent to, you know, keep them slaving instead of trying to escape. Just to reiterate: they are slavers. There is no low they won’t sink to to keep their operation going. Again, slavers.
and then I actually said “oh fuck off” outloud when I saw that Ellie couldn’t play guitar anymore
She can still play, she’ll just need to compensate or flip and restring as appropriate. People can and have played with fewer digits. Her leaving the guitar at the end probably signals her choosing not to pursue it though, as it would remind her of Joel seeing as he taught her.
it was still somehow too deep for gamers
to paraphrase a YouTuber, the game was swimming in the kiddie pool of moral questions. "uh, is killing people bad?"
Also, as a college student at the time, so many men thought they were being cool by constantly overusing jokes using variations of "very particular set of skills..."
A lesser sin, but a sin nevertheless.
If that movie was a person, it would be sitting in a $80k truck wearing aviators and complaining about black lives matter
My daughter doesn’t want to hang out with me for Spring Break? Must be THE IMMIGRANTS
surprised Liam can stop peeing himself long enough to keep making movies
Damn I liked that movie. I thought it was pretty clear you weren’t supposed to like Michael Douglas’s character. His first attempt at being racist he acts like he’s citing a statistic and then immediately makes it clear he has no clue what he’s talking about. But thinking about it now, we’re supposed to feel bad for him when does, aren’t we? As if the whole movie is some tragedy that he’s the victim of.
I think the point is you're supposed to sympathize with him at first, but realize over the course of the movie that he's actually a horrible piece of shit and then re-examine your sympathies.
Naturally, chuds cannot into self-reflection and just say "damn, why movie is telling me cool guy bad?"
“damn, why movie is telling me cool guy bad?”
you won't believe what their answer is (it has to do with Hollywood and a certain faith)
Yeah, it doesn’t much more heavy handed than the scene with the Nazi telling the POV character, “you and me, we’re the same”
Edit: oh and then Michael Douglas tells the Nazi “I’m just disagreeing with you. In America, we have freedom of speech; the right to disagree”
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Oh god
It’s a chud power fantasy?
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Always has been
Even if he was intended as some mocking version of a racist antihero, that would make the cop who’s a day away from retirement the hero of the story, which is also chud shit
And didn't the whole confrontation at the end,, where the cop is telling him straight, basically sum up by saying "you're right about everything but you forgot to deal with it like a man"?
"if we just don't say the word gay, people won't be gay"
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Zack Snyder was legitimately out here making fascist propaganda in 2006
to be fair he added nothing. He just shot-for-shot remade the fascist propaganda that was the Miller comic. Although if he had added something it probably would have made it worse.
He adds supernatural elements, mostly, which does add a shallow sense of wonder to a work that is otherwise just male bodies doing violence to the under-race
relevant big joel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEMqTPUWXqw
That movie honestly made my dad less of a chud than otherwise, because he watched it in the cinema with a friend and the friend was laughing uncontrolably during all the marching scenes, since he thought it looked like a pride-event. It's honestly underrated to see someone get so deflated so quickly, after realizing that the machismo has tipped into campy territory.
Surprised nobody's said Die Hard yet. The whole movie is about the reassertion of American patriarchal authority over foreigners, feminists, and the government.
John McClane is a man who has been emasculated by his wife getting a better paying job than his own, being a New York cop. in the movie's eyes, she is cuckolding him - using her maiden name and not wearing a wedding band, choosing instead to wear a watch given to her by her new man, Mr Takagi, etc.
Takagi is a personification of 90s fears of the Japanese economic takeover of America. In fact you could say his company has literally taking over a piece of America, with the massive but still under construction Nagatomi Plaza being the film's setting.
Helping the foreigners take over America is not only American women, but American men too. But not good men like John McClane, who is simple and straightforward and does what he thinks is right - slimy, used car salesmen types with slick haircuts who know the politically correct things to say. Effeminate men, basically.
And the film's threat is a two faced European man. Similar to McClane in a lot of ways, but instead of standing with their fellow whites they choose to stab America in the back and steal its cash.
The last thing standing in the way of the "real" American man from saving the day are America's institutions themselves, represented by the cops and the mass media. Both are portrayed as self-serving and incompetent.
As the only true American man surrounded on all sides by enemies, John McClane must use his grit and perseverance to save everyone via ultra violence. Everyone single other person who tries to save the day is killed for their trouble and makes things worse for the real hero. The final image in the last action scene is the watch that replaced McClane's wedding ring being taken off, and after that moment the McClanes are only interested in going home to their kids.
All is right with the world - the foreigners are all dead, the American family is back together, the cop who shot a kid has fixed his PTSD, the FBI guy is being ignored by the local authorities, and the mainstream news reporter gets punched in the face. The only way it could be more of a chud wet dream is if Reagan was immediately made president for life.
Fukken great movie though.
holy crap TIL now i want a remake where they just straight up adapt the book and accidentally make everybody root for the villains.
Rambo II. There were never any POWMIA after the war, but shit like this and a bunch of grifters spawned a whole cottage industry of faux investigations and congress hassling and bad action movies and people still fly those stupid fucking flags to this day.
Rambo 3 is such a mixed bag. At least it gave us Hot Shots Part Deux
In 2019 the National POW/MIA Flag Act was signed into law, requiring the POW/MIA flag to be flown on certain federal properties, including the U.S. Capitol Building, on all days the U.S. flag is flown.
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Fucking ridiculous. Just absolute slab of meat between the ears jingoistic bullshit to make boomers feel better about getting their asses kicked in Vietnam.
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned any of those shitty God's Not Dead films. That shit is pure schlock manufactured exclusively for chuds
It's been a long time since I watched it, but Requiem for a Dream manages to accept systemic sexual / carceral violence on its face and use it as bludgeon against people who develop drug addictions in a particularly evil way. On the surface it tries to portray a tragedy, but underlying message may as well be "this is what you get."
Yeah imagine having all that epic music by Howard Shore and still using a Lux Aternae remix. Sad. Days.
That's strange I never got a sense that the film endorsed the misery the principals experienced.
Put it on the pile of movies that didn't need to be remade. Why...just, why?
On the plus side it ends with him getting ventilated and the kid gets his stuff
I know a guy who for the most part is pretty cool but has quite a few deep rooted chud :brainworms: who absolutely loves American Psycho but is just about self aware enough to adore it in a completely irony poisoned way where he just occasionally yells "literally me!!!!" while watching and takes the piss out of everyone else who's a fan of the film
only in the past couple years it’s become embarassing explaining to people that american psycho is one of my favorite movies, i usually just don’t mention it anymore because i don’t want to come across as one of those “literally me sigma male” types
Every western that doesn't involve Black cowboys
Was just rewatching Django unchained yesterday. The massive squibs Tarantino sets off for the slavers are just :chefs-kiss:
Nearly every single slave owner in that movie dies. It was nearly a perfect film.
If Tarantino makes a sequel it should be about post war Django and Brunhilda going back to settle the score with Old Man Karouchen
Edit: if we don't at least Bruce Dern's old confederate general character gets blasted by Sam Jackson in Hateful 8
imma be honest, i felt just like the people squealing during showings of MCU stuff while watching Django. banger of a movie.
Hell yes. One of the best theatrical experiences of my life. Quentin isn't perfect but that movie is almost as good as kill bill 1 & 2 combined.
The only Tarantino films I’ve seen are Pulp Fiction, Hateful Eight, and Django. The first two I really disliked (I don’t even think I finished Hateful Eight) but Django Unchained fucking rules.
Definitely the "Unintentional Chud" contender up there w/ Starship Troopers.
I have mixed feelings on this one. They blow up the financial district with the goal of effecting a debt jubilee, which is incredibly based, but I don't think this is the message most people take out of the movie.
Chuds misread that movie so hard. I still like it because I'm not gonna let chuds ruin my fun fight movie where anarchists form a commune and, as you said, blow the shit out of debt
"You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."
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:le-pol-face:"We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need."
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:le-pol-face:"Why do guys like you and I know what a duvet is? Is this essential to our survival in the hunter-gatherer sense of the word?"
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Ghostbusters 2 has the EPA as the bad guys that let the ghosts out. There's probably other chud stuff in it too that others have already written about.
Edit: it was actually the first ghostbusters film that has the EPA as the bad guys, which is worse because it is a much better film. Plus the EPA had been started only 14 years prior to uh.. stop people from being poisoned by toxic waste so it is truly a chud take.
The original was written by Akroyd and Harold Ramis. So rest in piss Harold Ramis I guess. Dan Akroyd went on to make some truly insane films and has autism like me so I give him a pass for now.
