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I suspect many people upvoting think that's a comment about Trump/Republicans and not about democrats.
you're probably right, but also paradoxically, there will be republicans upvoting that thinking about hunder biden too
second china-vietnam conflict except this time theyre holding a contest to see who can kill the most billionaires first
Been posting this one a lot lately but I'm not complaining.
Gonna end up doing two years in a minimum security spot relaxing till he gets parole and a new job for some lobbying firm.
OP links to FTX’ Sam Bankman-Fried appeals conviction and 25-year sentence for fraud
I am jealous of his hair but who taught him to tie a tie? Not even getting started on those collars.
- I'm not going to shed any tears if she's executed but I also kinda hope it gets downgraded to a life sentence.
I'm against killing prisoners but I'm 100% for keeping the death penalty on the books just so you can sentence all billionaires to death before graciously lessening their sentence
I am a little (emphasis on little) surprised how many people on here and on the X seem ok with this.
Did you think it was all a bit and we didn’t actually want the billionaires to die?
I thought there was a little more pushback on the death penalty. I don't doubt that people want to see the end of billionaires.
The death penalty is bad when wielded by bad people for bad reasons, and good when wielded by good people for good reasons. Materialism ain't that complicated, Dakota.
My personal favorite Che quotation
Executions? Yes, we have executed. We execute and we will continue to execute when it is necessary. Our fight is a fight to the death.
Well Che was leading an armed revolution. This is a trial in an established state.
So there are situations in which it’s not bad, but necessary?
Any action that results in taking a life is a tragedy. That it is necessary for people to be killed during a war in order to prevent the slaughter of innocent people is ludicrously stupid in an age where there are enough resources to support the world's population. Executions during an ongoing revolution fall into a gray area that may qualify as self defense, as letting the person live may result in the deaths of more people.
Letting any billionaire live inevitably results in more death and misery. When does the state of war/revolution end?
So if a billionaire is stripped of and isolated from their resources, and sent to be re-educated, they will still lead to more death and misery? There is no possible path to becoming a functioning member of society?
Generally agree when it’s in peace time. But defrauding workers like this? Very few countries in this world ever punish these people, and even in the socialist ones, the rich enjoy immense privilege. The death penalty may not deter an average guy from committing heinous crimes because he has no expectation of decency from his society. But it does put the fear of god into the people who think they’re untouchable. Now, for Vietnam to weed out its corruption from the top so shit like this needs to happen less.
Disagre, there's no such thing as a good death penalty presided over by good people, it's too risky, too high a chance for a mistake even in the best system
Unless it's a billionaire, then there can't be a mistake
It's not ideal, but it would take a great deal of effort to restrain a billionaire's influence (merely stripping their assets and imprisoning them isn't enough), and while I would prefer a society that spends that great deal of effort to save people, there are still homeless and starving people whose lives could be saved with less effort.
billionaires are kinda like monarchists, they could "abdicate" and peacefully live out the rest of their life as a dirt farmer or work in a factory they used to own but most of them would rather die than be a normal person.
imo it is a minor form of liberalism to believe that there exists any amount of punishment and recuperative effort that would meaningfully remove the very power and influence that got said billionaire to this point in the first place
I'm against the death penalty because the person thus penalized may not be guilty, and could be rehabilitate. Post revolution I'd say the death penalty should flat out not exist, but for now, there's no way to be wrong about billionaires
They either are or are not billionaires. And if they ARE, they get it in the neck
I’m generally not okay with the death sentence. But I’m also not going to lose sleep over this one. If you dropped dead tomorrow in their factories they won’t even be notified about it. You’ll be replaced before they finish their caviar. Hopefully she’ll be dead before I finish pissing.
Do you understand what these greedy psychopath type of people do to our society?
Death is too good for them.
You know something is truly funny when it becomes funnier every time you read it.
morbid speculation
Apparently they use lethal injection, so I’m wondering if they manage to avoid botching it. In America it’s probably the worst way because it’s always a slapdash cocktail used incorrectly with horrific results.
I really doubt it's any cleaner there than here. No doctor who doesn't suck ass at their job would ever agree to be involved in an execution
It really is harder to fuck it up than to do properly. Just get their weight calculate a fatal dose of any of a coupple dozen common available medications and you are set. It is so easy that you get about one case of it a day nationally on average in hospitals where they are trying not to do it. It boggles my mind that we invaded some strange complicated way to duck it up completely when the city pound can do it without issue.
Agreed, literally any fast acting barbiturate would do it with minimal complication.
Reiterating, it’s so fucking dumb America insists on torturing people with experimental amateur bullshit instead of just using literally anything else that quickly indices unconsciousness and death. Hell,dent would be more humane than the stuff we use that a survivor described “as my veins were on fire”
I think the point is exactly that: to make the one being killed suffer... but not in a way watchers can feel bad.
According to Wikipedia:
The drugs used to execute prisoners are produced domestically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Vietnam
Thanks for the link!
I somewhat assumed (mock me if you want, it’s probably deserved) that it’s hard to make the barbiturate that’s used. Nope, just another case of America being so hollowed out and financialized it chooses not to mix some chemicals and make the one they need.
Some of these are head scratchers,but it is good that environmental crimes are on the list at least.
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There are 97.5 grams of pentobarbital in this that they use on pets. That’s about $1.35/gram
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Meanwhile they are charging the government $1500/gram for the same drug
Arizona is switching to Zyklon B so they got the shortage under control
Working as intended so they can charge the government 10000x it’s worth. Of course only the people who donate a chunk of that money to politicians campaigns will be selected to make and sell it 😎
They’re also dirt cheap but the only companies authorized to make them charge the government out the wazoo
It's usually a random cocktail because the EU keeps banning the export of 'safe' chemicals to states that have the death penalty. I wonder if Vietnam is not on that export ban list.
I don’t get why they don’t just lie and say it’s for veterinary use tbh. Even vets are having a shortage as a result.
We have this figured out already. Just like...a bunch of morphine. This is a complete fucking no brainer.
Isn't an opioid overdose a horrific, terrifying, slow and painful way to die?
Killing someone isn't a medical procedure. It's the exact opposite. A more painless way to execute is by firing squad but that doesn't give the veneer of humanity, it's just blatantly killing someone.
What? No, you feel better than you've imagined feeling and nod out and then stop breathing. It's faster with more but I guarantee no one ODing on morphine is feeling remotely bad.
Oh, I should also point out there are different kinds of opiates and opioids and your mileage will vary between, but I went with specifically morphine for a reason. Heroin is just morphine with greater bioavailibilty so you can just make that up with quantity as hospitals are wont to do for just normal anesthesia reasons.
what happens to you the instant you turn 30 years old according to the internet:
Look, I've watched a lot of anime. Women exist in precisely two states: Purah from Breath of the Wild, and Purah from Tears of the Kingdom. They quantum shift between the two at certain ages, until eventually evolving into Impa.
Yes the death penalty is never morally right but I see this as more of a state sanctioned billionaire execution which, in my opinion, are morally justified.
You know I generally think this but it sure is easy to find exceptions. I think it really only works as a policy for "normal" crime.
Like, if there was some fascist leader war crime commiting nazi on trial, death penalty, easy moral choice, no ambiguity about whether or not they actually committed the crime.
This fraud is a bit closer to a shade of gray, but still nothing like "normal" crime.
i say execution is acceptable by groups in precarious situations (i.e. not well-established states with legal systems and cops, but we'll come back to that) such as during or shortly after a revolution where you can't securely contain and rehabilitate the monsters who have been abusing peasants or slaves, and there's a real risk of them leaving and mustering an army or otherwise undermining the revolution.
we blanketly oppose the death penalty in
for a variety of reasons that have to do with systemic injustices but none of those problems apply to viet nam or billionaires.the moral argument is a huge gray area, but i find it very hard to feel bad for billionaires
whether or bot you think this is a good thing it's still commendable that the government holds the rich accountable imo
anyway sorry to add on to the dogpile, i know you've gotten a lot of replies
True. The ideal is to never do it. But I'm also not going to weep because it for once is applied to a white color criminal.
Unpopular opinion: no state should be legally allowed to murder people
counterpoint: states should be obligated to murder billionaires.
I agree. That should absolutely be the default assumption. Not only is it immoral, it creates warped incentive structures. Its bad policy
killing the nazis invading you and then going to jail after the war for murder
There is a distinct difference between fighting off an invading force and executing criminals
I agree, I don't think executions are a morally valid activity for a society to engage in. And in a practical sense, it's much more important that criminals be caught and convicted consistently, and prevented from continuing to hurt others. She should be stripped of her wealth, and under permanent house arrest, and be allowed to continue working and contributing to society... but under the close scrutiny as some who is known to have hurt a lot of people, and would probably do it again if given a chance.
I say I have complicated feelings. I consider myself anti death penalty by default and I do genuinely think state's shouldn't be able to just execute someone who is clearly not a threat and in custody. Someone like her should be stripped of her illegally and immorally acquired wealth and be sentenced to a lifetime of public service work living with the shame of what she's done.
...but also I aint gonna cry too hard about it when they stick her with the needle.
Against the working class? No. Against the bourgeoisie? Yes.
I believe having a belief in this position is a fundamental requirement to be a committed revolutionary. Being part of a revolution means understanding that people are absolutely going to be put to death. You don't have to love that or be bloodthirsty but you do have to believe it is going to be necessary.
I see it as a distinction between criminal justice and war. In criminal justice I believe in rehabilitation and the avoidance of unnecessary cruelty, Johnny the axe murderer is a shit person so he should be kept away from society and hopefully reformed so he can be let out some day and no longer be a threat. Johnny the fascist or Johnny the oligarch on the other hand are not just shit people, they're waging a war against the working class and denazifying then to a permanent end is completely justified.
I see it as a distinction between criminal justice and war.
Do you really consider the war to be over after seizing power in one country?
Socialism itself is a stage of war. Its entire existence is informed by the conflict between proletariat and bourgeoisie and that war is only truly over when the bourgeoisie are marginalised worldwide to the point that counterrevolution is impossible.
At some point the war will hopefully be over but there is still a long way to go from the establishment of socialism somewhere to the end of capitalism everywhere.
This is why socialist societies needs to be watchful as they will be under constant attack.
The overthrow of one class by another is inherently violent. If you aren’t willing to engage in this sort of “authoritarianism” then your revolution is over before it even started. Violence is critical to the suppression of the counterrevolution, or more precisely the threat of violence, ranging from imprisonment to execution. This is needed if you want to be anything other than a paper tiger. Reactionaries won’t graciously accept the inch you give them and submit themselves to your moral victory, they’ll take another mile and curb stomp you.
Moralism is for liberals. It’s inherently subjective, one’s opinion is influenced by a myriad of factors, and it’s impossible debate.
are you more or less valuable then medicine for the People you want to save from the Death Panalty ?
Billionaires sold their humanity and deserve death in whatever form may come to them
Nah, the state should be able to liquidate the bourgeoisie as a means of class warfare and liquidate corrupt party members to serve an example to those who would betray the socialist project. Liquidation does not necessarily mean death. She ought to have the choice of surrendering her wealth to the state in order to avoid execution, but I doubt bougie ghouls like her would do that. These freaks are so far removed from humanity that they would rather choose death than surrender their wealth.
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