She got replaced by Jennifer Hale? Like Metal Gear Solid, Mass Effect, Overwatch Jennifer Hale. She's incredibly prolific, has 35 years of experience, and has contracts with Disney. There's no way they offered Hale the same $4000. She's worth way more than that.
What the fuck? I used to like Platinum Games, but what the hell is the thought here? Is Nintendo meddling in it? Did they just want to get rid of Hellena Taylor and hire a much more expensive actress? ...WHY? Half the reason people like Bayonetta is her voice!
only possibility I can think is they low-balled Taylor to get Hale on. Maybe Hale has some kind of contract with Nintendo?
only possibility I can think is they low-balled Taylor to get Hale on.
I do think this is a likely explanation.
I get the impression that Japanese game studios don't really give a shit about English voice actors unless they're :soypoint-1: Norman Reedus or Kiefer Sutherland :soypoint-2:
David Hayter had to re-audition for Snake for every single MGS game and Kojima wanted to replace him at least as early as MGS3 where he was trying to get Kurt Russell for the role IIRC
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(Before you say it was because Big Boss or Venom Snake are different characters from Solid Snake, Snake's Japanese voice actor stayed the same throughout the series)
Most Japanese companies don't give a fuck about what happens outside their country. They've only recently started to pay attention, and it's mostly because they've realized they have a secondary market to play with. That, or enough of the boomer executives have died off.
unless they’re Norman Reedus or Kiefer Sutherland
Hideo Kojima is just an inverse weeb for American movies/TV. I would not be surprised if the only reason ha keeps directing games is because he can pay famous people to hang out with him now. I'll keep eating the slop though :sicko-pig:
I get the impression that Japanese game studios don't really give a shit about English voice actors unless they're :soypoint-1: Norman Reedus or Kiefer Sutherland :soypoint-2:
To be fair, I'm some dumb American who can only name a single Japanese VA. Takaya Kuroda, and that's only because I'm the world's biggest Yakuza fanboy
I think it was basically just a constructive dismissal, so to speak. Could be a cultural thing? Still kind of shitty, and still kind of weird, but it seems like it isn't actually about money; they just wanted Hale to be the voice actor instead.
I agree. Hale is one of the top voice actors so I doubt she would work for extremely cheap.
Probably the same reason as any shitty dev studio, exploiting passion for cheap labor. But magnified a thousandfold because of Nintendo's particularly powerful goodfeels.
In some Japanese companies, instead of firing an employee they'll transfer them to a shitty job in a lower department to get them to quit. Could this be the voice actor equivalent? Low-ball someone to get them to walk away?
In some Japanese companies, instead of firing an employee they’ll transfer them to a shitty job in a lower department to get them to quit.
The only redeemable parts of the most recent (and presumably last) season of Aggretsuko were about that practice, both with Kabbae and Director Ton.
Unfortunately publishers and developers do this shit to voice actors all the time, not just Nintendo. Konami for example also has multiple instances of backstabbing voice actors that previously carried its series.
at least this time it's kind of a worker calling for it. There's no organization behind the effort so it won't do much but there's a little bit more here than those idiots.
That one was especially hilarious because pirates could set up dedicated servers and mods.
I don't think it's clear if Jennifer Hale was aware Hellena Taylor was only offered $4000 and then refused the job. She might have only been told as much as "the role has been recast." Hale's a big name so she might not even have had an audition or had the situation explained. Nintendo or Platinum might have reached out to her directly and that might have been the plan all along, to get Taylor out of there
Can scabs be scabs if they don't even realize they're scabbing? that's the question
but you might be right that scabbing is more about the process of it than any individual decisions of the scabs
nah i think you need to know (and not be willfully ignorant about stuff) that you're scabbing to be one. The business would lie to Hale (or her agent) if she asked and you're putting a lot on professional courtesy asking Taylor to break NDA and for a whisper network to prevent every other actor who would be approached for the role to decline it.
Edit: It’s also worth noting that, if we decide that the intention of the worker defines whether it’s scabbing or not, then the corporations can enact union (and individual worker) busting tactics quite freely by providing plausible deniability. Making the intent of people doing things relevant to their moral culpability is a weapon against change. Capitalist society is built on a mix of natural and willful ignorance.
fuck that bollocks. crossing a picket line is way different from taking a solo job like this. And if you really want to go all the way on that, it's extra ridiculous to put culpability on people in situations where there's literally no way to find out why a job opening exists.
Isn't being a scab based on crossing a picket line or a non-union person taking a previously union role? In this case Hale is part of the SAG-AFTRA union and has participated in strikes.
It is extremely unlikely they told Hale why she was replacing the previous voice actor.
This sucks I was looking forward to it. I guess I'm not buying Bayo 3. I can still play it without buying it, good thing yuzu has my back
Watch Jennifer Hale do an impression of Hellana Taylor and be praised for it.
nintendrones are the most brainwashed corporate bootlickers I've ever encountered
I'll have you know that my uncle that works at Nintendo is starving.
I wonder what the average take for a voice acting gig in Disco Elysium was, by comparison.
That damned word that I've seen Epic G!mers use so much since Mass Effect 3's horrible endings:
:so-true: "E N T I T L E D" :very-intelligent:
I've seen it so many times regarding voice actors, along with euphoric declarations about how technology is right around the corner to replace them anyway.
Fuck Epic G!mers.
Mass Effect 3 was so close to being good up until the last hour of the game.
:javik-pogger:
The Nintendo subreddit is filled with that and bootlicking, like holy shit how the fuck do you create this mentality that the people who make your treats are worthless?
If anyone wants to see this type distilled even further check out the comments and forums on the NIntendoLife website.
Feel free to share some of that if you've seen it yourself. I'm ready. :agony-yehaw:
https://www.nintendolife.com/features/soapbox-a-week-after-jailing-one-pirate-nintendo-just-made-piracy-a-reality-for-countless-fans
it's not Nintendo's job to preserve other devs games. everyone knows when they buy digital its not for keeps.
people choose to consume digitally (I dont,) so please dont moan about preservation if you aren't supporting the physical market.
This is utterly ridiculous. The sheer audacity of only giving us a full year to make our purchases for consoles that we've mostly already replaced. Sickening. What will Nintendo do next? Make it so I can't nip into town and buy a new NES game? For shame.
Fact. Piracy is wrong. And it harms future game development financing
Please at least be honest in the reporting. Nintendo didn't send anyone to jail. The Department of Justice convicted a person of two felonies and a judge sentenced him to jail.
The point this article makes is weird. I agree, a lack of game availability leads to piracy. The answer is to make them available, the next problem is how. But that guy was pirating brand new, readibly available games. That's completely different.
I just checked their site. They have a piracy tag for articles. First article I clicked on was about Russia partially legalizing piracy to fight western sanctions. Comments were closed. Cannot imagine how pathetically fascistic those comments from Nintendrones got.
Disney, Nintendo, and Marvel fans. The biggest corporate bootlickers.
For a game like this it would be like a minimum of $800+ per session, plus whatever it pays for promotion. The Bayonetta games don't have a lot of spoken dialogue though so really I'm not sure how many VO sessions she would do.
I feel like Bayonetta would get paid a premium because the voice is iconic and pivotal to what the game is. I only know her from Smash Bros but I know exactly what she sounds like
Yeah it really depends on how long the sessions are. I'm not sure how prolific minimums are in video game VO.
An acquaintance of mine has done VO for video games and a bit part in a movie. The video games paid $250-$400/hr, no minimums. They did 5 hours VO in a booth for a title and made $2000 on it. The movie was a union joint and it was like $950 per session per character and royalties.
