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more fuel for the gambo struggle session

  • edwardligma [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    extreme (but sadly unsurprising) grossness aside, why does he always look like he wants to sell me a copy of New Proletarian Workers Gazette, The Official Newspaper of the United Trotskyist Progress League of the 4th International

  • Fartbutt420 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    If this dude has been writing these books one handed this whole time then no wonder it's taking so long

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    He isn't a creep getting off to lots of sexual violence portrayed in his fiction and its adaptations, it's all for I L L U S T R A T I O N only. Over and over and over and over and over and over

    • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      he doesn't write about incest all the time because it's a kink he has, obviously, it's because he's just trying to show realism in his dragon fantasy world with ice zombies

      • edwardligma [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        i call for your aid, drylomyr fythlestoon first of his name of mine own noble house lymplethorpe, i hath become entangled in the washbucket

      • Spike [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        I was halfway through writing a similar comment god damn

        But yeah, he doesn't do anything realistic when it comes to food, shelter, markets/trade, clothes etc. But when it comes to sex, its as "real" as it gets

        • jizzong [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          he doesn’t do anything realistic when it comes to food, shelter, markets/trade, clothes etc.

          What's unrealistic about a society where every woman including the underage pov character walks around with one tit hanging out of her dress.

          For reference (NSFW)

          • fox [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            I mean, that's not really unheard of. Ancient Minoan women would go around with both titties out of their shirts just for the sake of it, and that's just off the top of my head.

          • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            How can anyone take this shit seriously? If you want to show tiddies, at least fully commit with something like Minoan dresses.

      • jizzong [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        How can you possibly expect me to take a story set in a medieval fantasy world serious unless it contains in depth graphic descriptions of pedophilia.

          • Shoegazer [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Fantasy is based on British culture so it is quite realistic if you ask me

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Sure, but there's plenty of other things to be realistic about with a different focus, even then.

    • neo [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      When I read GoT a few years ago (it's the only book in the series I read) it was definitely far less horny than the tv show. There was sex, but I don't remember anything written in graphical detail. If the tv show is a 10, the book was like a 4 or 3.

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Now try and read any passage in his book involving a female character because now you know he was cranking one out while writing it lmao. Eww.

    I hope this isn't real. Doesn't it count as sexual harassment of the auditioners?

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I hope this isn’t real.

      it's from his livejournal 12 years ago. I made sure to find the link. It's still there but I linked the archive.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      yeah my bf had the audiobook and we listened to it a bit and every time a female character came on it just gave me heebie jeebies

      had to bail on it

  • ButtBidet [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Sorry I don't follow GOT. But the idea of young, struggling actors having to get naked and be sexual for their career is creepy.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The banker bro failson creeps that directed the GOT show openly acknowledged how distressed and uncomfortable the actress playing Daenerys was during her rape scene, which was a surprise to her that she didn't expect when she signed on but she was contractually obligated to carry out with creepy leering from the failsons on set all the while.

      It's why she's not naked nearly as often after that in the show. She expressed her discontent with that.

      It's probably also why she was character assassinated, made "crazy" then killed off cheaply in the final season. Bro culture retaliation for her being distressed and less willing to please the hogs.

        • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Like, the issue with Season 8 was that if given time, the events in it could have been interesting

          Instead, we get what should have been at least half of season of developments in a single episode

          And let's not forget the massive battle between the White Walkers and humanity being solved in an hour of combat and then ultimately being pointless because it was a Keystone Army and Arya just being a white ninja

          This is why it's taking so long for the books, because Georgerr saw the negative reaction to his premises and it gave him a crisis of talent

          Which as a writer myself, yeah, I get it

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Georgerr saw the negative reaction to his premises and it gave him a crisis of talent

            It didn't stop him from doing all those spinoffs and tie-ins and throwing his fame and influence around in unrelated video games.

            • BabaIsPissed [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              unrelated video games

              I'm like 90% sure the Loathsome Dung-Eater was his idea, so I'll give him a pass on that one. But yeah I think he just doesn't care anymore.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I still think they would have done the character assassination of the actress had played along to their bro bullshit. The ending reeks of liberal ideology "changing the world for the better actually makes it worse, the responsible thing to do is piecemeal reform where you expand suffrage to a handful of aristocrats"

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I agree that that was the intended message, but some treat defenders here on Hexbear claimed it was "leftist" to show how "naive" the only character with the means and will to do anything like a revolution was. :trot-shining:

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        It’s why she’s not naked nearly as often after that in the show.

        The degree to which the show leads are increasingly buttoned-up as the show progresses is notable. Almost as though there's a power-dynamic in Hollywood that is heavily slanted against newer and younger actresses.

      • Shoegazer [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        She also started wearing a nude suit in later seasons IIRC

  • hollowmines [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    are you telling me the guy who wrote game of thrones is terminally horny???

  • RedundantClam [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Preemptive :volcel-judge: but i know the actress that was picked to play Shae is a former adult film star. So that makes this post a lot creepier, like he literally got done jacking it and wanted to tell everyone.

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    okay does this mean him not finishing the final book in the series counts as edging? how many kinks is this guy going to incorporate?!

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      does this mean him not finishing the final book in the series counts as edging?

      I have an answer, but it will take me ten years.

    • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Last episode of House of the Dragon introduced a fun plot twist, that

      spoiler

      The "clubfoot" spymaster who's sadistic and creepy also has a huge foot fetish and gets off exchanging secrets for queen feet

  • ShmoneyShmillions [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I remember reading the first book in high school, voicing my discomfort with the pedophilia and rape and saying it was a little bit too detailed only to be lectured that I was being a prude

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I remember reading the first book in high school, voicing my discomfort with the pedophilia and rape and saying it was a little bit too detailed only to be lectured that I was being a prude

      Here on Hexbear, I got called a "joyless scold" and even a "Karen" for criticizing the sexual violence and torture treats.

      And I was specifically talking about the show. Even criticizing "Gambo, now with more sexual violence than the books!" made me a joyless scolding Karen. :maybe-later-kiddo:

      EDIT: Apparently being upset over treat criticism is not a waste of time and is totally healthy, but expressing criticism for treats is "malding" and "unhealthy." The hypocrisy is astounding but not unexpected. I had to hear about Gambo exhaustively for years, unsolicited, at work and elsewhere. Apparently it's unbearable to have criticism even on a little site like this for some defenders. :agony-minion:

      • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I mean it is entirely possible to be both a joyless scold and also entirely correct.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I have joy in my life.

          I don't derive it from spectacles of sexual violence and torture.

          • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            Then don't partake in the media consumption ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            Just don't confuse it for meaningful politics or praxis, its literally just media consumption (even if you abstain for moral or ideological reasons).

            It gets tiring to have to see on a weekly basis pretty meaningless conversations about "popular thing bad" when the now weekly circlejerks about Gambo Thrones or Avengers comes up, acting as if the abstinence of certain media is somehow in it of itself a form of praxis.

            Its on the same level as a Lib bragging about how they don't partake in conservative Christian films....like cool I guess?

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Then don’t partake in the media criticism ¯_(ツ)_/¯

              It is actually a lot easier to avoid treat criticism if you don’t like it than it is to have avoided a decade of pop culture saturation about red weddings and so on.

              Just don't confuse defending your entertainment for meaningful politics or praxis.

              It gets tiring to have to see on a weekly basis pretty meaningless defenses of your entertainment, as if silencing dissent against your chosen consumer treats is somehow in itself a form of praxis.

              It's on the same level of lib propaganda telling us this is the best possible world and that everyone should just sit down, shut up, and participate in the status quo without another word of criticism.

              It isn't just word replacement above. Nothing you argued is in any way inapplicable to your own perspective, except you want to go to bat for this particular treat as if it is threatened by criticism. I hold no such belief; I know my criticism won't destroy the treat, even if I wanted it to. You can just let the criticism exist, but no, you ironically waste time being upset about what you think is wasted time.

              • Poison_Ivy [comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                I have no idea what you are going on about but you are spending far too much time malding over treats than is healthy.

                Disengaging now.

          • bubbalu [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Thank you for making me feel less alone on this one. Despite playing a lot of violent video games when I was younger, I can't really handle any violent media now. It just makes me really upset and grossed out. So many people get frustrated with me when I tell them I don't really like to watch shows because watching (sexual) violence makes me uncomfortable.

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Consuming the violence (sexual and otherwise) treats (and defending them) is cool and good, but expressing dislike or even criticism of them is "malding" and "unhealthy" to some here. :kombucha-disgust:

              • bubbalu [they/them]
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                2 years ago

                At the same time, I think it's important to be compassionate about people's starting points. We live in a society that simultaneously hyper-normalizes violence and displays of violence while also promoting this idea of consuming edgy and (sexually) violent media as radical or subversive. It also promotes media-consumption-as-identity-formation. For me, realizing this lets me take people's kneejerk reactions less personally. Sorry a bit rambly.

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  I see where you're coming from and I see your point.

                  That said, when some enthusiast for the slop calls me names and concern trolls me about how it's not healthy to criticize the slop (implying it's healthy to defend the slop with such pettiness) it discourages me from much further sympathy for them.

    • Circra [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah I know what you mean I think. I tend to think that I'd rather feudal society (esp nobility) not be whitewashed and be presented with all the fucked up horrible shit that they got up to for sure. I get that, and for the first few books before it becomes a sorta convoluted farting about worldbuilding exercise it does that fairly well.

      However what I don't really enjoy about the tv show and to a degree the books is the sheer depth of detail it goes into with such scenes and how the tv show definately leans into turning those scenes into wank material.

      • Lussy [any]
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        2 years ago

        kind of like the The Boyz. The very first episode contains a sexual assault scene that felt gratuitous.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        There's plenty of other aspects that could be "realistic" that aren't emphasized or even portrayed, like just how much labor went into making those pigeon pies.

        GRRM wants to see gory torture scenes and gratuitous repetitive sexual violence, and so does his loyal audience.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Takes me back to my own high school days where I was told that my criticism of Rob Liefield's (and his imitators') gimmick of excessive blood and guns and grimaces and absurd anatomy and glowing eyes and lowkey misogyny (Cable's first appearances were baaaad) edgelord spectacles were tiresome and wore out their welcome pretty quickly. It kind of reminds me of being back in high school when people on Hexbear call me names and/or concern troll me about what is "healthy" for expressing a similar dislike for a similar "mature" consumer product.

  • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    My expectations for men are so low at this point that my first reaction was "at least he's not talking about the auditions for Arya."

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        Can't believe the English analogs in a Medieval epic were written as incestuous pedophiles.

  • Tommasi [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Holy shit, I remember seeing this 12 years ago, never thought I'd see it again on Hexbear.com

    :data-laughing:

    I was a teenager who'd just finished reading the books so I followed news about the show's casting and stuff religiously. My "Why did you post this reaction?" was strong enough for me to remember this post until this day.

    Kinda sad how I went from that invested in the show before it aired to not even bothering to watch the last few seasons.