people are really out here completely unironically explaining the polical compass as a way to understand politics AT A COLLEGE LEVEL aaaaasaaaa :agony-shivering: :agony-deep:
THEY JUST PLAYED THE FUCKING INTERNATIONALE AS AN EXAMPLE OF AUTHORITARIANISM :meow-tableflip: :jokerfied:
No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we’ll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They’ll break ranks and fight no more
Classic authoritarianist mindset right there.
Shooting the generals on your own side is very uncivil though and thereby authoritarian.
I would complain to the head office that the course is inadequate and ask for your school fees refunded
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what about that song is authoritarian. it's literally about international solidarity among the working class. like they couldn't even dig deep enough to find a cult of personality song praising Stalin?
it was the red army choir version, so it was in Russian. and it was subtitled in CHINESE. Those are some very very authoritarian languages don't you know
Wow, just straight up refusing to give the lyrics in English because they speak for themself, they gotta make it in spooky gommulist language instead:some-controversy:
Ask the school if they can equip your class with some calipers to enhance the experience
international solidarity among the working class.
Yes that's the authoritarian part. Working class people uniting and using their authority to punish hard working job creators.
It's bad enough of a model, but it's made so much worse by the fact that it was popularized in the form of a specific quiz by a libertarian who was intentionally distorting the results
Biggest of all it needs to be 3 dimensions at least. Economic distribution, state authority, social freedom. This chart mashes the last two together.
Like did you know that on this chart, the main difference between an anarchist and a communist is that the communist hates gays and art?
Literally that's it
It's actually that stupid
The authoritarian vs. libertarian scale is unadultered bullshit as it is an illustration of the liberal fallacy of thinking that only the government can be the source of coercion and despotism. An "an"cap utopia where the world was one big company town with open air child slave markets would be classified as more "free" than your milquetoast succdem welfare state or your socialist workers' state since people would be oppressed by the market and not by the state..
Also, the political compass is Nazi apologia. It claims that the Nazis were economically centrist, making them look more reasonable than communism way up in the corner.
And now we are talking about Nazis, if we were to believe the political compass, Nazis are sort of neighbours to communists, whereas libertarians are at the other end of the chart, despite far right economic and social politics has always gone hand in hand.
Absolutely, a state authority spectrum, especially under capitalism, necessarily has private authority as its opposite. If you get rid of Government you just get Government™ Sponsored by Amazon™
I also think it's easier for a crank chud to become a crank leftist than to ever touch the toxic goop that is liberalism. If you can be convinced to have righteous anger instead of punching down, suddenly a union sounds like a good idea. So, in that sense, a quantum leap over center left to far left makes much more sense than the linear progression that the square/cube implies. I think it's a shortcoming of charting out politics in general
Committed left wing radicals on the top left, bottom left people who call themselves a radical ideology but don't actually do anything :side-eye-1:, bottom right the average liberal/conservative bootlicker type, top right the ghouls who run most of the world.
Checks out.
Slab some fancy words on it, like an economic axis ranging from "authoritarian" to "democratic" and a commitment axis ranging from "revolutionary" to "passive", and insist that this is actually the real political compass.
When Marx becomes taboo what you're left with is basically this shit. No historical context or material reality, just ideas floating freely around a 2 dimensional chart. I feel like Qing dynasty mandarins who spent their lives memorizing the same 10 books were less ideologically wedded to the confucian order than the average polisci student is to neoliberalism.
Mfers will post the political compass like it's a toss up what happens, and then the questions on the actual quiz that would put you "up there with Stalin" are like "hey, do you think the state should liquidate gay people?"
The compass is ahistoric, idealist garbage to begin with, but the questionaire is a whole other can of worms. It completely fails at measuring anything outside of US mainstream politics, as that's what the questions are designed for. It will routinely label mild socdems as anarchists, it is almost impossible to score as a communist, it will even label Ben Shapiro as a moderate liberal (he actually took the test and that was what it said) and anything that can put you in the authoritarian half of the graph are right wing culture war issues. Including abortion, which ... basically all AES nations legalized way before anybody else.
I thought Ben Shapiro got authoritarian right, and then he said "this proves the political compass is BS". He was right, but he was wrong about how he was right.
It's basically impossible to get authoritarian unless you hold the most stereotypical extreme right wing views.
They're fine with private organizations doing that. :libertarian-approaching:
Putting a picture of Jeffery Epstein directly at the center of the political compass and claiming anyone who disagrees with me is a fringe radical who has fallen victim to horseshoe theory.
lecturer: So that might have been a slightly controversial session. any last comments you guys want to get off your chests?
me: *desperately trying not to get myself dogpiled by 30 "progressive" middle class liberals* ....... no
turns out this lecturer is a member of the labour party and classifies themself as a demsoc. and says that compromise is the most important apart of politics :agony-consuming: :ukkk:
only good compromise will be between the anarchists and marxists in the future world people's assembly
~ anyway liberalism is good and based because we have same sex marriage now uwu ~ :blob-no-thoughts:
~ btw its okay to develop weapons for raytheon because a lot of military technology gets used for good things later on uwu ~
when my little brother decided he wanted to become an engineer I made him swear to me that he'd avoid developing tech for Raytheon. I'd lump in Boeing too but that might be harder to avoid given their broader scope. MIC doesn't fuck around, you will contribute to people's deaths, and there is an active effort to remove that aspect from people's consciousnesses :matt-jokerfied:
"you've got your authoritarian societies, your leninism, or maoism, or, idk i'm not good with all the -isms" :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-2:
for context, the US or nazi Germany or any actual right wing societies have not even been mentioned
Lol the cum-piss already sucks, but they labeled the axis in the most libertarian way possible.
Like, I know the layout of it already puts libertarianism in the most favorable light, but the Up and Left here are both labeled to make them sound extra scary.
SUBSUME YOURSELF TO THE STATE. PURGE THE INDIVIDUAL. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
The compass is good for only two things:
- Opening up someone to the idea that there is more than liberal and conservative
- Memes
On 1, it is good in the way that toy where you pull the string and it tells you the cow goes moo is good. Too much at once can overload the American brain.
On 2, come on.
