people are really out here completely unironically explaining the polical compass as a way to understand politics AT A COLLEGE LEVEL aaaaasaaaa :agony-shivering: :agony-deep:

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    THEY JUST PLAYED THE FUCKING INTERNATIONALE AS AN EXAMPLE OF AUTHORITARIANISM :meow-tableflip: :jokerfied:

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      No more deluded by reaction

      On tyrants only we’ll make war

      The soldiers too will take strike action

      They’ll break ranks and fight no more

      Classic authoritarianist mindset right there.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      w

      what about that song is authoritarian. it's literally about international solidarity among the working class. like they couldn't even dig deep enough to find a cult of personality song praising Stalin?

      • Lerios [hy/hym]
        hexagon
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        2 years ago

        it was the red army choir version, so it was in Russian. and it was subtitled in CHINESE. Those are some very very authoritarian languages don't you know

        • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Wow, just straight up refusing to give the lyrics in English because they speak for themself, they gotta make it in spooky gommulist language instead:some-controversy:

        • VILenin [he/him]M
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          2 years ago

          Ask the school if they can equip your class with some calipers to enhance the experience

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        international solidarity among the working class.

        Yes that's the authoritarian part. Working class people uniting and using their authority to punish hard working job creators.

  • SerLava [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It's bad enough of a model, but it's made so much worse by the fact that it was popularized in the form of a specific quiz by a libertarian who was intentionally distorting the results

    Biggest of all it needs to be 3 dimensions at least. Economic distribution, state authority, social freedom. This chart mashes the last two together.

    Like did you know that on this chart, the main difference between an anarchist and a communist is that the communist hates gays and art?

    Literally that's it

    It's actually that stupid

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The authoritarian vs. libertarian scale is unadultered bullshit as it is an illustration of the liberal fallacy of thinking that only the government can be the source of coercion and despotism. An "an"cap utopia where the world was one big company town with open air child slave markets would be classified as more "free" than your milquetoast succdem welfare state or your socialist workers' state since people would be oppressed by the market and not by the state..

      Also, the political compass is Nazi apologia. It claims that the Nazis were economically centrist, making them look more reasonable than communism way up in the corner.

      And now we are talking about Nazis, if we were to believe the political compass, Nazis are sort of neighbours to communists, whereas libertarians are at the other end of the chart, despite far right economic and social politics has always gone hand in hand.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Absolutely, a state authority spectrum, especially under capitalism, necessarily has private authority as its opposite. If you get rid of Government you just get Government™ Sponsored by Amazon™

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      I also think it's easier for a crank chud to become a crank leftist than to ever touch the toxic goop that is liberalism. If you can be convinced to have righteous anger instead of punching down, suddenly a union sounds like a good idea. So, in that sense, a quantum leap over center left to far left makes much more sense than the linear progression that the square/cube implies. I think it's a shortcoming of charting out politics in general

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Committed left wing radicals on the top left, bottom left people who call themselves a radical ideology but don't actually do anything :side-eye-1:, bottom right the average liberal/conservative bootlicker type, top right the ghouls who run most of the world.

      Checks out.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Slab some fancy words on it, like an economic axis ranging from "authoritarian" to "democratic" and a commitment axis ranging from "revolutionary" to "passive", and insist that this is actually the real political compass.

  • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    When Marx becomes taboo what you're left with is basically this shit. No historical context or material reality, just ideas floating freely around a 2 dimensional chart. I feel like Qing dynasty mandarins who spent their lives memorizing the same 10 books were less ideologically wedded to the confucian order than the average polisci student is to neoliberalism.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Mfers will post the political compass like it's a toss up what happens, and then the questions on the actual quiz that would put you "up there with Stalin" are like "hey, do you think the state should liquidate gay people?"

    • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      The compass is ahistoric, idealist garbage to begin with, but the questionaire is a whole other can of worms. It completely fails at measuring anything outside of US mainstream politics, as that's what the questions are designed for. It will routinely label mild socdems as anarchists, it is almost impossible to score as a communist, it will even label Ben Shapiro as a moderate liberal (he actually took the test and that was what it said) and anything that can put you in the authoritarian half of the graph are right wing culture war issues. Including abortion, which ... basically all AES nations legalized way before anybody else.

      • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I thought Ben Shapiro got authoritarian right, and then he said "this proves the political compass is BS". He was right, but he was wrong about how he was right.

    • VILenin [he/him]M
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      2 years ago

      Half the questions can just be rephrased as "are you a bad person?"

    • CthulhusIntern [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      It's basically impossible to get authoritarian unless you hold the most stereotypical extreme right wing views.

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      15 days ago

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  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    Putting a picture of Jeffery Epstein directly at the center of the political compass and claiming anyone who disagrees with me is a fringe radical who has fallen victim to horseshoe theory.

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    lecturer: So that might have been a slightly controversial session. any last comments you guys want to get off your chests?

    me: *desperately trying not to get myself dogpiled by 30 "progressive" middle class liberals* ....... no

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    turns out this lecturer is a member of the labour party and classifies themself as a demsoc. and says that compromise is the most important apart of politics :agony-consuming: :ukkk:

    • Des [she/her, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      only good compromise will be between the anarchists and marxists in the future world people's assembly

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    ~ anyway liberalism is good and based because we have same sex marriage now uwu ~ :blob-no-thoughts:

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    ~ btw its okay to develop weapons for raytheon because a lot of military technology gets used for good things later on uwu ~

    • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      when my little brother decided he wanted to become an engineer I made him swear to me that he'd avoid developing tech for Raytheon. I'd lump in Boeing too but that might be harder to avoid given their broader scope. MIC doesn't fuck around, you will contribute to people's deaths, and there is an active effort to remove that aspect from people's consciousnesses :matt-jokerfied:

  • Lerios [hy/hym]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    "you've got your authoritarian societies, your leninism, or maoism, or, idk i'm not good with all the -isms" :stalin-gun-1: :stalin-gun-2:

  • Eris235 [undecided]
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    2 years ago

    Lol the cum-piss already sucks, but they labeled the axis in the most libertarian way possible.

    Like, I know the layout of it already puts libertarianism in the most favorable light, but the Up and Left here are both labeled to make them sound extra scary.

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The compass is good for only two things:

    1. Opening up someone to the idea that there is more than liberal and conservative
    2. Memes