I always found it ridiculous that Fallout takes place like 200 years after the big war and it's still such a wasteland. It would look like that for maybe a single-digit amount of years after humans start living on the surface again. Humans build things very quickly.
Blame FO3. The first Fallout took place less than a century after the nukes dropped, and by the time of the second Fallout, the setting wasn't really a wasteland anymore.
Exactly, no survivors would tolerate living like this. I know I wouldn't.
I always took the Bethesda fallout to be “it’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism” to its logical conclusion in my head canon. It’s why no one builds anything because the value of labor as a social good had been nearly wiped out from society. Why would anyone build anything more than the bare minimum?
Is there a meaning behind the fact that the Big Mac and McChicken are all real photos of the sandwiches, but the rest are advertising photos?
It’s bait targeted at them. Notice how FO3 is portrayed as having more to it than 2.
Fallout 1 being lesser than 2 is a common opinion on most sites, but it’s clearly bait to place 3 above 2 by showing the larger sandwich.
New Vegas is taking a shot as well, it uses a chicken sandwich to show it’s a different studio but still shows itself as having less than the one I assume is a Big Mac or whopper. Nobody places 3 above NV.
The fish sandwich doesn’t make sense for 4. They should have used a sandwich everyone hates or the target audience hates. Nobody likes 4 more than any except 3.
FO3 being the biggest sandwich is a dead giveaway. I think the meme is supposed to be someone who grew up with and is nostalgic about FO3, basically someone your average 4channer would absolutely hate and view with contempt.
Nobody places 3 above NV.
You'd be surprised. There's a pretty large and growing backlash to the idea that NV is better than 3. Most of the backlash is just "3 isnt as bad as people say" rather than it being better than NV, but the strongest and loudest backlashers think 3 is outright better.
This is /r/prequelmemes contrarianism and it must be crushed. I will be damned if people think Oblivion with Guns is better than NV
Every bethesda game is worse than the one before it. I cannot wait to see what nightmares await us in Starfield 2.
I haven’t encountered those. I’m willing to have an open mind if they actually have argument, but I fail to see how there is one. Three dog was a better DJ I guess, buts not a large hinge point
Many a True Nerd made a video that is decently well respected in defense of FO3. (He's not a chud, pretty decent guy it seems). My Fallout friend who loves NV and hates 3 even respects the video. (He's also gained some social credit with places like GCJ because of another youtuber who obsessively made massively long video essays nitpicking every point in his video which are very offputting lol).
Thanks for the rec. I liked 3 as a kid, new Vegas is just something else. Personally, I think almost all of the hate is from people who played 1-2 first and knew what was lost.
Oh fuck it’s 2 hours. I’ll listen to it at work later lol.
MATN is one of those guys who's really into like roman history and stuff and somehow isn't a chud. Really rare breed
Hot take: 3 is fun enough if you just dick around. NV has the vastly superior main quest. 3 has some good side quests but the main quest is a fucking snooze fest.
I am in the camp that 3 is not that bad. New Vegas is clearly better, but I started with 3 and definitely had fun.
I am one of those weirdos, I guess. 3 has better tone and also I get to go John Brown on slavers
Why do people in this thread say sandwich when it's a burger? I'm not a native English speaker so it's an honest question.
I chose to use sandwich because not every sandwich in that picture is a burger. Since burger is a type of sandwich in American English, I could have used more specific language for each but that would have required me to use more words and I’m lazy.
Do you mind if I ask where the line between the two words is in your first language? You don’t have to say what it is if that’s an opsec thing, I’m just curious about the delineation.
Which one of the pictures is a sandwich? They all look like burgers to me. Maybe I need glasses but they do. :)
In my native language, all of these are just called hamburgers. The word sandwich is just used for typical breakfast sandwiches with ham and cheese and flat bread on the bottom only.
Of course there is Subway with those larger sandwiches with filling inside, and we call those sandwiches too...
All of them are sandwiches. The last two aren’t burgers. The term burger has shifted a bit over the years, but for the most part it still retains the assumption that it is made of beef and circular. A square piece of beef like the chain Wendy’s does is still a burger, but a swuare piece of fish would but be unless somebody has a rather loose take on what’s. Burger is.
For example, I’m vegan and don’t call grilled tofu slices between circular buns a burger. I would call it a tofu sandwich. If it was a circular piece of grilled tofu, that would be “close enough” to burger.
Shape, cooking method for the protein, and the “caps” that the buns usually serve as are all factors in how much something fits the ideal of “burger”.
For example: a grilled, circular patty served in between two small corn tortillas could be called a tortilla burger, but wrap the patty in a single larger tortilla and it’s not a burger. It’s now a wrap.
Something I should probably add: put damn near anything on a piece of bread it’s an open face sandwich. Put a k the piece on top it’s just a sandwich. Wrap it something it’s a wrap. A grilled patty wrapped in lettuce would be a lettuce wrap. Two chonky pieces of lettuce above and below, and many people would call it a lettuce wrap still but due to the lack of wrapping it would be a sandwich. The use of bread isn’t required for sandwich functionality. Side note: is there a term for the role the buns fill? What do we call the absorbent thing that allows your hands to stay relatively clean while you eating the things placed between them?
I’m too fucking American, I’ve put more effort into this than anything else I’ve posted today lol.
The use of bread isn’t required for sandwich functionality.
idk why, but i love that sentence
In the US nobody would ever say "damn I could go for a sandwich right now" while entering a burger joint- that would be insane.
Sandwich is definitely an umbrella term covering burger, but since there's no word for "a normal sandwich" we usually reserve the word sandwich for the normal sandwich.
We do very occasionally call burgers sandwiches in certain contexts, such as when we are talking about several different sandwiches and one of them is a hamburger.
That usually only happens when talking about things like fish or chicken sandwiches at a burger restaurant. We wouldn't even expect the question "what is your favorite sandwich?" to be answered with "hamburger" - that would be sort of weird too. It's a very limited usage
Would it be weird? A burger is just a very very well known type of sandwich with a. Few extra definitional requirements. Maybe it’s an old person Midwest thing but two of grandparents always referred to burger joints as sandwich places. The rest of my family does not.
Why ham buhbuh called ham when it beef but if buhbuh is when beef why ham.
Yeah I do feel like old people in the Midwest might call it a sandwich a little more, especially while eating or passing food or something, but would still always say burger if they were trying to pick a food to eat.
Do you want a burger or a brat? Etc.
Definitely, most people opt for specificity when it’s easy and the burger as a form of sandwich is quite possibly the most American way to be specific instead of vague.
americans tend to use burger and sandwich interchangeably, unsure why/when it started but it at least seems to be a US-centric phenomenon
They are not used interchangeably in the US, people might call a burger a sandwich, but would never call a (non burger) sandwich (like a grilled cheese, tuna fish sandwich, etc) a burger.
Not all burgers are beef, yea turkey burgers are a thing here. But it is different from the turkey sandwich, and you wouldn't call one of those a burger.
Burgers are a subset of sandwiches, so while you can call burgers sandwiches, you can't do the reverse. Dogs are animals, but the words aren't interchangeable.
You could lump turkey burgers in like OP did by calling them, and a bunch of things sandwiches as a group, but I don't think you'd call turkey burgers a sandwich otherwise (because the turkey sandwich is a separate, already existing thing)
I feel like we only call them turkey burgers because of American humor rather than anyone genuinely feeling like it’s a burger.
Not exactly interchangeably, except maybe in some dialects people might use the word sandwich a bit more liberally.
Not even worth mentioning, literally the embodiment of bethesdas fall pre-starfield
Fallout 4 should have been the two day old salad the employees aren’t paid enough to care about throwing and replacing instead of just serving it.
fish sandwich should be FO3, 4 should be a turd on a nice bun, and new vegas should be a wagyu steak
I cant believe I'm encountering this opinion on a leftist website with lots of trans people on it!!!! (ur mostly right but I think FO4 is Fun To Play just not really meaty in any way).
I can never get a straight answer about FO4 everyone either says it’s fun or says it’s the worst thing to ever exist it’s like FO3 discourse all over again.
Gameplay wise it's pretty good, and does improve on what was laid down in 3 and NV, but it also back steps in some ways with VATS being a slow-mo thing and the only way to get critical hits now
Visually it's fantastic. Some people didn't like the art style change but I'm all for it, I think it fits the retrofuturist aeathetic
Story and writing wise it's dogshit. The main story is beat for beat identical to FO3 but with a new coat of paint and somehow even more boring, the characters other than Nick Valentine are boring, and the main villain motivation is nonsense
Solid 6/10 from me, goes up to 7 or 8 when modded
Also at one point the lead writer voices a character and he calls the player character - and player by extension - the ableist R-slur. Gives you a good idea of the respect the writing team has for your time I'd say
It's just like Fallout 3; it's a good time if you're looking for a standard open world where you can fuck around doing nothing plot relevant for hours at a time, but it's a bad Fallout game. It's Fallout-skinned Skyrim
When will the NMA grognards rise up to yell at people for liking all the 3D fallout games again?
Retvrn to tradition
When they've finished arguing over whether Fallout 2 ruined the series by leaning too much into pop cultural references as humour.
Fallout 2 didn't ruin the series but the writing is fucking atrocious and it's a juvenile, abrasive game =)
implying Fallout isn't just a cheap imitation of Wasteland
casual
I can not recognize fast food burgers based on those images, let alone hazard a guess at what the analogy is supposed to be
- Hamburger
- Cheeseburger
- Big Mac
- McChicken
- Filet o' fish
What are we supposed to take away from this? We may never know.
i know the last one is the filet-o-fish, and i can assume based on that that the rest are also mcdonalds sandwiches, but idk which ones
Smh more nerds fall for the trap of acknowledging any fallout game made after 1997. /v/ has fallen, billions must game
I don't know what this image is trying to say, but I don't care for the Bethesda RPG game loop and love isometric CRPGs so it's all garbo after 2, even though I've suffered through them all. Even NV suffers from the absolute jank that is Gamebryo.
