The 45+ crowd will vote for him because they support isn'treal and are afraid of Drumpf but I think we're going to see a massive drop out of young voters. Probably too with the people who already don't vote to begin with, namely service workers who are fucked over either way with D's and R's.
And here I thought Biden was going to win in November, time to eat crow.
Biden forever courting the 5% of Republicans who will maybe vote for him instead of going after younger people who would like to vote Democrat if they weren't such shitheads. "Nothing will fundamentally change."
The only wildcard is how some states had big turnout to protect abortion rights, like Ohio. Which will probably still go red cause it's a shithole state but maybe other states will be blue.
"we offered nothing different or substantial and they seem to not like us! wtf!"
we also do nothing to make it easier to vote, or stop gop from targeting ways the youth votes
It's literally worse than that.
"We actively explicitly told them we don't care about their concerns and we will not compromise with them at all, and also if they don't support us because of that it's because they're selfish and dumb." That's democrats literal message to young people.
"They're not smart enough to know they should vote liberal"
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"Young people today want to complain about how bad they have it. Give me a break. No I'm serious, I have no sympathy."
Gee I wonder why the person who said that at a campaign event might have a hard time with youth support.
And if you bring this up liberals just link you a snopes article that says it's false that he said it and the first line of the article is "ok he did literally say those words in that order and it isn't out of context but he didn't mean it like that."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-no-empathy/
You weren't lying. Wouldn't have gone for the "you have so much social progress compared to my day" argument if I was
A. Born into wealth as a white man, and
B. Was a segregationist at the time.
But go off I guessYup that one and the snopes article saying it's false Biden tripped going up the stairs to air force one, he just "briefly lost his balance and fell forward" are super handy to have on hand if anybody ever tries to claim snopes is anything other than an explicit propoganda asset for the democratic party.
I'm very curious about the impact of abortion since it's clearly hugely significant to people and yet the Democratic party has shown and continues to show they have no interest in acting on it on a federal level.
I'm not even sure they have interest acting on a state level since everything I've seen has been ballot initiatives.
The only states where the presidential vote matters are “battleground” states.
Only states that have abortion on the ballot are where abortion will be a significant political issue.
As of now, there’s only 1 state that ticks both of those boxes (Arizona). So in terms of the presidential election, it’s only really relevant there. And tbh, the way the polling seems now, it looks like Arizona will make abortion legal but vote for Trump.
Yet another opportunity to immediatly lock this election up and instead they send out Joe to stammer through a statement about how he doesn't personally support it and "doesn't believe in the whole my body my choice thing"
I know. It's ridiculous that most people still consider the Democratic party to be pro choice in any sort of meaningful sense.
It's like when liberals say "one party wants to give everybody healthcare"
Oh really? Which party is that? Because the only thing I've ever seen democrats competently resist was universal Healthcare and in 2016 the dem candidate literally compared working for universal Healthcare to "promising everyone a pony"
I think the under 45 participation rate will be so low that Trump will actually get more support than Biden, because at least his base loves him.
Can't wait for the endless think pieces about how young people are conservative 🙄
Can't wait for the endless think pieces about how young people are conservative
Oh, god. The NYT all by itself will publish scores of op-eds, think pieces, and even articles "explaining" the phenomenon. And all them will be high up on the homepage.
Depends how much the election fraud narrative is pushed. If Trump convinces enough supporters that voting is meaningless, then both parties would be dealing with self-inflected low turnout. Granted, if the belief that democracy is dead is a strong enough belief to suppress Trump votes enough for Biden to win, then we risk bigger problems regardless of the outcome of the vote.
So far we have the whole stimulus check debacle, no student loan forgiveness, banning TikTok, and now his steadfast determination to enable genocide in Palestine. I'm sure there is a lot more. I don't know what he has done for young people except belittle causes and issues that are important to them
I'm probably not voting at all, but Id vote 3rd party again if I did.
Remember when Feinstein told a bunch of literal children to fuck off when they confronted her about climate change? Children with existential dread is not a thing the world should tolerate yet the crusty old dinosaur was indifferent. That's the democratic party in a nutshell. They can't even pretend to care.
Literally watching children come to terms with the contradictions of liberal democracy.
"Wait, 'we dont all want to die in the water wars' isn't a legitimate reason to do something?"
It's happening with the college protests too. They were taught that peaceful protest was a right and a good thing to do to combat injustice. Then some meatloaf human with a badge tackles them at their own school. I hope a good percentage of these young people get radicalized enough to bully me for being a lib.
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth."
Over 45 Libs (and a lot of people under that age too) really think that they can just say "trump bad, trump worse" to every criticism because to them the break with norms is so shocking that they can't get over it. They think everyone cares about this aesthetic shit as much as they do.
For people who's formative years were around the george w admin we saw a president who did unspeakably terrible things but the libs give him credit because he went to the correspondents dinner and took it on the chin. They really can't understand that we're looking past the optics, we know it's all a charade and we care about what's behind it.
In the defense of people over 45 they think that because it worked on them for the last 3 decades and they never had the thought of "Maybe the guy whose promised me if I vote for him things will get better for 30 years is actually also full of shit."
He started off saying he has no synpathy for the problems faced by young people and telling billionaires nothing will fundamentally change.
He was cooked from the start he just worked harder than most of the baby leftists who tried really really hard to give him a pass but he kept doubling down and reiterating that he detests them and doesn't care what they think and would never even consider comprimising with them let alone working with them.
He started at zero and has been digging as hard as he can since then.
He barely beat trump, only because Trump killed 2 million Americans to own the libs, and since then has done everyrhing he can to convince anybody who cares about workers right, the environment, or not committing genocide to not vote for him.
Just look at the current liberal memes that are literally "ok Biden is doing a genocide but if Trump wins he'll do even more genocide"
Gotta vote for Biden so Trump doesn't bomb the rubble.
He was also getting destroyed in the polls until Obama made the perfect phone call
Obummer putting his thumb on the scales only to make things worse is very on-brand. Like how the NBA was gonna strike over black lives matter and then he called up some of the players and talked them out of it. Can you imagine the amount of attention they could have brought to the issue? Big names, immensely popular figures, role models to children, an industry worth billions and billions in cash. Goddamn him.
It would have been cool if those players stood their ground too. Not blaming them, because I don't know how the phone call(s) went down.
"you uhhh saw what we did to Kobe, right?"
Biden's still favored to win on all the betting markets.
I'm guessing Dems will laser-focus on women's health, pretending they weren't responsible for anything lost while they controlled all 3 branches of federal government. Of course they won't mention the hospitals where their bombs are dropping nor the arab women who are giving birth while literally dead in the street. But the advertisements will be convincing!
Biden's still favored to win on all the betting markets.
Literally how is this possible lol. I just checked and Trump is at 29.4%, seems like easy money to me. You'd think they would have learned after 2016.
Biden 54 cents - Trump 45 cents on predictit (pres winner pays $1)
lmao betting markets.
Biden is going to lose, it’s that simple. The genocide alone is enough to make him lose Michigan, Georgia was a razor thin margin that won’t happen again, and Trump leads in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Arizona.
The first two plus any one of the last three is enough for Trump to win.
He’s done next to nothing to actually help people while instead sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine and Israel. We are closer to WW3 now than at any other point this century, and he bears much of the blame.
Not that polls are perfect but the last one I saw Trump was winning in every single swing state
I wouldn't underestimate the pro choice movement, nor the flood of boomers that were unleashed in 2020.
Also, the average American does not consider Arabs human.
What has Biden done to protect abortion rights?
Also, the average American does not consider Arabs human.
With the margins we're talking about, enough do to matter. Also there are more eligible Arab American voters in Michigan than Biden's 2020 margin. They turned out for Biden in 2020, they likely won't now, they even loudly said so in the primary. I did the math for the other swing states a while ago, and the number of Arab Americans in each state is enough to make a big dent in his margins, with non-Arab Palestine supporters and otherwise disappointed voters most likely making up the rest.
Democrats haven't had to follow through on abortion before, I don't know why that would be a requirement now.
Because it's actually affecting people now, they don't have Roe v Wade to hide behind.
Yes, it's affecting people now. So they'll go to the polls and have a choice between a guy saying he'll do something about it and orange man bad.
They're not going to drop Biden for not pulling a FDR on the supreme court, just like they didn't blame RBG for being a megalomaniac, or Obama for (“The first thing I’d do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act.”) lol
Part of me would love to see them eat shit for genocide, but I don't see it.
So they'll go to the polls and have a choice between a guy saying he'll do something about it and orange man bad.
You’re missing the choice that comes before that: whether they’ll go to the polls or not.
The guy saying he’ll do something about it is already in power and has done nothing about it, so there’s no point in voting for him.
Maybe because they let Roe die on their watch? Why should they get credit for doing nothing?
Flood of boomers that were unleashed in 2020? Unleashed where, into their graves?
I'll show up to vote on local candidates and referendums but I'm writing in "Free Palestine" for president and I suggest anyone else going to the polls do the same.
I legitimately wasn't going to vote but this is now what my plan is
You may be aware of this already but just to be clear this will show up as a spoiled ballot. Write-ins have to be registered in order to count and show up in results. Spoiling a ballot is a legitimate form of electoral protest but if you want to send a more specific message you might consider researching what communist parties you can support
"if you don't vote for who we allow you to vote for your ballot doesn't count"
Go with "From the river to the sea" instead, because that's now apparently the worst sentiment possible
Yeah the move is to vote, just not for Biden. Clearer what you're trying to communicate, harder to ignore.
Cmon, just like republicans count 'Jesus' as a repub vote, 'Stalin' is also counted as democrat
banning the platform where they've watched him egg on and fund genocide after a year of that is like committing youth seppuku.
Zoomers: We're never going to vote for you, you genocidal geezer.
Biden: You're right Jack, you'll never vote for me and anyone else ever again.
declares martial law
45+ are afraid they'll lose their social security but 45- know they'll probably never get it anyways.
I'm pretty sure the US can't survive social security ending. Everyone here hates everyone else as it is, it's literally the only carrot left.
Can't wait to laugh my ass off at Biden losing and cry my ass off at all of us being forced to live in turbo-hell where everything continually gets worse
I've been living in turbo hell where everything keeps getting worse for decades.
The only difference is when a dem is president all the chuds around me feel the need to tell me about how they're going to murder people like me.
Turbo hell is just an option between IROC-Z and a Mack truck being the delivery vehicle.
at all of us being forced to live in turbo-hell where everything continually gets worse
this is my last election as an under 45, but i haven't voted for a major party for El Presidente since Obozo's first term, let me be clear. i thought he was gonna close gitmo.
i work with a bunch of PMC types in the non profit / give a fuck sector, so they are generally younger than me by 10-20 years. there are only a few committed turbolibs, who like brag about their connections to the local DNC franchise. legit cringe. i think probably there's a chunk that are more fearful of another trump term than a biden term and don't see a path out, though we all live in a safely red state with just a handful of electoral votes anyway so the emotional investment is non existent for anyone with a functioning mind. so basically, the bulk of the over 45 professionals are all visibly wigging the fuck out about another trump term, to our incredulity. i bet if i told any of the well remunerated / wealthy Gen Xers that i wasn't gonna vote for biden, they would burst a blood vessel.
what would be amusing to me would be if biden loses, but the dems pick up seats in the house and senate that some kind of antagonistic coalition can form with the numbers to override presidential vetos and fuck with the courts. i don't think it's feasible and would probably only do terrible things, but it would be funny.
Idk. American elections are really unpredictable and very close. This is not a defense of Biden or Trump just that it's like not very different from flipping a coin.
Turnouts going to be lower that's for sure.
Biden loses in the popular vote, but wins in the electoral college. The Republicans say the election was stolen and Trump posts on his social media that the Republicans should abolish the electoral college, but nothing happens.
I keep seeing this here and as much as it would be funny there's literally no chance that happens.
The EC is explicitly set up to give lower population (republican) states more influence.
Unless California and New York catch Trump fever and everybody form "real america" decides to overwhelmingly vote for the perosn they've been screaming is a communist for a decade this is never ever going to happen.
What if NY and CA somehow went to RFK, could that make this possible?
No then Trump would just win both. The only way Biden wins the electoral college without an overwhelming popular vote win would be if he won all the overrepresented ec states. Like wyoming, west Virginia, and the dakotas. And he wouldn't have to just win them he would have to run up the s ore in those places.
So unless about 80% of the population there has a fundamental change of their core "values" it would never happen.
Well the important thing is these are all hilarious outcomes but thank you
It’s possible if RFK saps enough votes in non-swing states without actually changing the result of those states. Even more if red states have extra turnout for Trump and blue states have less turnout for Biden.
As an extreme example, if RFK won over every Biden voter in Texas, that’s 5 million less votes for Biden without changing the result.
Sure. if that happened it would have happened.
But RFK getting more than 10% in any state is about as likely as 90% of Wyoming becoming blue Maga.
Don't be silly, this is America! No one under the age of 45 exists! that's why we put in so much effort causing the housing crisis! We helped all you homeowners BuIlD yOuR wEaLtH! Why aren't you happy?
Besides, I'm sure those young'uns LIKE being basement dwellers anyways!
