"R U TRIGGERED" and all its subvariants were radioactive toxic waste and turned a valid and important psychological concept into bullying vector that for a time had nearly universal acceptance.
I still see vestiges of "le epic bacon" out there but it's mostly confined to aging :grillman: types and some :up-yours-woke-moralists: cultists and a few contrarian carninist edgelords that want to "trigger the vegans." Yes I know all of the above have a lot of overlap.
It's (irritatingly) not quite dead yet but that whole, "Girls: Something boring and basic, Boys: Something epic and quirky" template is legit one of the most annoying memes out there, just literal toddler brained shit. Obviously some subversions of it can be funny though.
These fucking annoy me so much, I don't understand how they can appeal to anyone over the age of 12. That "girls with a time machine vs boys with a time machine" shit is so stupid, where the boy goes back to some based history man.
it's not dead yet, but i fucking hate the soyjak vs chad face meme
it's just "ugly man bad, nazi wet dream man good"
which is entertaining if you're 5 i guessI have accepted this one as something encoded into our fucking DNA at this point considering how many historical analogues of it I've come across
Exactly, it's like whining about people drawing dicks on things, which is a thing human beings have just always done
It's not nice to call it whining when this thread is supposed to about sharing things individuals subjectively dislike.
eh, i'm used to it
i got it in the neck in the "ttrpg pet peeves" thread when i said i don't like playing with or dming for power gamers :shrug-outta-hecks:I don't either. My group's big enough where I don't have to put up with them.
When was that thread? Was it recent?
about 3 months ago i think
kinda stuck in my head because of how bizarrely defensive people got about itSome power gamers got mad, I suppose.
It just isn't fun for the rest of the group if a template stacking half this half that and half something else with a questionable build that uses dubiously balanced sources can't really fit in with the story but can do that much damage per round while being basically invincible and the DM has to adjust to the powergamer's powergaming at everyone else's expense.
yeah, i get that for some people scouring a bunch of splatbooks for cool stuff and building out a complete powerhouse is half the fun.
But when Korgoth the Destroyer is throwing 5d8s at level 2 and can 1 round things well above their CR, Dave the Elf with his slightly better than normal stats kinda has nothing to do while they turn everything into marinara sauceI am fine with character optimization if it's a character concept that actually fits in with the setting and the rest of the group, where some choices made aren't directly to "do more damage."
That's often a way to screen out powergamers before they can even do their worst: ask them about their character, about what they are known for in the setting and how others see them. An early red flag is a list of what they can do, not what they are.
fair, though even if they fit in, having one character that's significantly better at combat to the point that the rest of the party might as well not be there is... kinda boring to play with in a standard DnD style game with it's focus on fighting
in games with more of a focus on rp, it's more tolerableIn my experience, if an unmitigated combat min-maxer doesn't get enough combat, they get bored and so they start fights and sabotage social interactions just so they can show off the template they found on the internet.
In some weird cases, there have been such things as social min-maxers too, and they can get annoying if they want all the spotlight and can try to force story outcomes with stupidly high rolls.
I try to have both combat and socialization in my campaigns and in both cases I try to make sure everyone has a chance to shine.
yeah, when i'm dming my own games i focus way more on the rp
the extreme of it is when i dm for my girlfriend, we usually go 2 or 3 sessions without a single combat encounter lol, helped by our rampant system hopping
i would simply not build dave the elf so poorly :shrug-outta-hecks:
Yes the problem is clearly the rest of the party and not the one person who sucks the fun out of the game
there is room in the system to make a functional character without the half this half that template n onsense
you just have to not exclusively take bad options
"anyone who doesn't do 5d8 at level 2 is clearly exclusively taking bad options"
can you actually do 5d8 at level 2 even that seems like an exaggeration
notice i never specified a system for the fictional scenario you insist on taking apart
That's the good thing about Shadowrun: basic not-even-min-maxing optimization gets dicepools close to 20 (up to 30 for soak tests), while the most absurd powergaming only gets mid 20s pools for most things, and that's it, it never goes higher because the investment required to improve further is basically unattainable. Like it's so generous that with only a couple of exceptions any concept character can be made viable with minimal investment, even if the concept requires wasting a ton of resources on something silly. It's not like D&D where everyone starts out ludicrously weak and then scales weirdly with tons of trap options or bad choices and a few random broken interactions between splat book prestige classes, or where characters can be permanently fucked by bad RNG if they're rolling for stats instead of using fixed arrays or point buy.
I one managed to roll 56 dice (before crits) on a single spell. But it was some ability that let you use life to add power to your spells and I killed my character doing it so my party could escape.
I think some of the older editions allowed for higher dicepools like that, yeah. 5e mostly tightened it down, though an edgelord build can unsustainably push into the 30s if paired with strong enough minmaxing and with lucky exploding crits could theoretically get up into the 40s.
Yeah that was 1e and it still took my whole life pool to pull it off.
I miss shadow run but I don't miss adding all those dice. Do new additions make it easier? I'm sure it would be easy on VTT but I don't think any of them have great support for it.
Do new additions make it easier? I’m sure it would be easy on VTT but I don’t think any of them have great support for it.
I always just used chummer's built in dice roller or a discord bot. I think roll20 has full shadowrun 5e integration but I hate its interface so much that I stopped using it and would just use a discord channel with occasionally posted reference material instead.
New editions are so poorly written that most people who are fans of Shadowrun don't recommend playing them. I haven't checked out 6e, but 5e's layout was abysmal. Stuff like sections of rules that frequently reference other rules that were 30+ pages apart for no reason, and lots of links to the index were wrong.
When I ran Shadowrun for around 1-2 years a while ago, we gradually built up a houserule document that ended up being over 30 pages long.
Not really. It's a valid point.
There's a difference between memes and propaganda. virgin/chad, and the "yes" guy are literally explicit propaganda. Even when they're stuff I agree with it, they're not funny. They can make you feel good, but they are objectively not funny.
Prior to 2015 or so, memes were not usually this explicitly propagandistic and were made to be legitimately funny.
If you're used to this era of memes, then some of the "memes" of the late 2010s era will seem annoying and dumb.Basically, chuds have combined elements of meme culture into propaganda, and zoomers as well as undiscriminating millennials, still call these things "memes" because they resemble them on the surface.
No that's exactly what they are. Memes. They're also propaganda.
Don't mistake the form of a communication with the message it carries.
well at that point you can call anything a meme (which it technically would be)
Fine, these are "propaganda memes", and the ones before were not, or at least were much less so. Explicit propaganda isn't that funny to me, nor to many others. The question was "what meme do you not like" and they answered it
In the Dawkins sense, yes, correct, they're all memes, and as morally and politically neutral as an empty cup. They carry a message. It could be some racist bullshit, or it can be :wojak-nooo: CONTROLLERCELS MALDING OVER ALPHA CHAD KEYBOARD AND MOUSE USERS :gigachad:
Not that some messages don't have a preferred means of delivery. Like, the empty cup can still have a swastika on it. But I don't feel that the virgin/chad is that. It's just so inherently silly that nobody but a fucking moron could use it completely unironically.
(Also just to be obnoxiously pedantic "propaganda" technically refers to anything created with the purpose of dissemination so yes memes are propaganda and propaganda is memes :very-smart: )
It's just a later version of that old webcomic "irrational emotional fool vs smug logical cool guy that raises an eyebrow and looks at the reader" template.
yeah, but the smug logical cool guy looks like a propaganda poster from the third reich
Did that many propaganda posters for 20th century nazis include Viking LARPer beards to go with the Hitler Youth fades?
eh, probably not, think the original nazis were more into the clean shaven look
No matter how annoying it is I think 'gross loser V cool jock' is an eternal template.
If it isn't eternal it does have at least a century or two of precedent. https://i.redd.it/9nyj8j2mv1mz.jpg
The right wing media mysteriously mostly stopped calling their enemies fascists and nazis right around the rise of the modern fascist. :trump-anguish:
The reddit variety maybe was bad, but considering the resurgence in religious conservatism, at least on the internet, vocal atheism may need some kind of comeback.
Sam Harris intensifies
https://existentialcomics.com/comic/other/2
https://existentialcomics.com/comic/other/3
The problem is that brand of atheism was deeply liberal and reactionary, focusing way too hard on "factually incorrect thing is bad and dumb, stop being silly and weird by believing factually incorrect thing!" arguments and hinging too much on "religion say I can't have my treats, how dare you tell me no for such a stupid reason!" motivations. Like it was more "theocrats are cringey because they believe silly wrong things, ew!" and "they're telling me no, how fucking dare they!?!" than "theocrats are deranged monsters who hurt people, and that's bad."
The only thing that stops me from saying it was a psyop was because those same reactionary tendencies have always been a problem with American counter-culture and the broader left, where there's all these chauvinist libertines who are full of themselves and want their treats and end up arrayed against the American mainstream because it's a different brand of chauvinist and doesn't approve of all their treats, but they're still reactionary and just as aggressively oppose the left when that threatens or is perceived as threatening their status or treats in some way. I do think the pro-religious anti-atheist backlash against it was astroturfed, though, even as the neoreactionary movement sucked up a bunch of the chauvinist libertine atheists and turned them into nazi weebs who cosplay as tradcaths while wallowing in hentai.
I remember when :reddit-logo: New Atheism had a brief but fierce civil war when "Atheism+" tried to become a thing. This happened around the time "ElevatorGate" and "Dear Muslima" became a thing, too.
“religion say I can’t have my treats, how dare you tell me no for such a stupid reason!”
I'm afraid that something like this is the only way to get anyone to question nazism. I fear most people are only in it to hurt people.
I will literally commit mass crimes if vocal atheism comes back, I can not handle it again. I am not even religious.
I'm not religious either and :reddit-logo: New Atheists weren't just insufferable but a lot of them found religion over time, either through techbro culty grifts, :up-yours-woke-moralists: grifters guiding them into "cultural Christianity," or sometimes full blown "TradCaths" that want to LARP Warhammer 40k. :scared-fash:
well a lot of them were atheists because they hated Muslims mainly, so they realized they could still follow their passion, especially so in a church
I'm the opposite. American conservatism looooves to be the martyr. If you meet them with atheism, they'll calcify in their beliefs because you're proving their world view correct.
In my opinion, the only way to counter American religious conservatism is to explain to them how far divorcd their beliefs are from the actual words of Christ. There is plenty of revalutionary text in there, you just have to know where to look and how to frame it. I quote Acts to these heathens every single opportunity I get. I attribute quotes from Marx to Jesus, and I explain communism through the lens of Christ vison of his church. Just don't say the word communism.
It's frustrating how they treat religion like an alien force that infects peoples' minds and is the source of all evils
Another thing is reducing complex geopolitical situations to just religion. Why are there conflicts in the Middle East? Is it mostly due to conflicting material interests? Nope, just because there's different religious groups that can't get along.
I've heard both of the following arguments offline, only a few weeks apart, both from strangers:
"Did you know that if everyone was Christian, there would be no more war?"
"Did you know that if everyone was atheist, there would be no more war?"
:michael-laugh: Christians, famous for never fighting wars against other Christians
My best guess is that he was one of those "my sect of a sect of a sect of a breakaway sect of protestantism is the real Christians" types.
This might provoke some people, but I feel like if you cannot understand people of faith or whatever you want to call it you have a deficit of empathy of some kind. Like, people must place their faith in something and I think it's a very damaging consequence of this to cauterize so many impressionable people to the idea of believing in something. You also see this with like South Park Nihilism and (dare I say it) the lack of sincerity in general in media. Not to get all DFW on a website that budded off a fan subreddit of an irony-poisoned podcast.
Also; not to offend atheists in general or whatever, I mean people who are malicious to religious people/people of faith. I feel like I was clear but you never know.
I understood this for the first time only when I was an adult and my grandfather died and we had to do a bunch of ceremonies at the cremation. It make people feel better. And having something to do made me feel better ( I had a specific role and had to start the fire for example). Earlier in my life I just didn't get it.
like if there are so many religions why am I supposed to be a Hindu specifically
I can not respect an ideology that says I deserve infinite torture. I can sympathize with those who are brainwashed or just there for community and tradition, same way I can sympathize with people who fall for neo Nazi propaganda. But no respect
I spent some time hanging around Christianity trauma groups, and they had a strong non-ideological contingent :zizek-fuck:
It's a real problem, and I'm saying that as someone opposed to Christianity. Sure, let the Reddit Atheists and the Evangelicals fight, but we shouldn't forget they'd both have voted to put Muslims in England and the US into concentration camps
It's still kind of around. Entire brands are rooted in that mentality. :expert-shapiro:
Yes but it’s not entirely centered around having your hand on your cock and envisioning yourself as a supreme logical being for not believing in god and hating Muslims. Sure it’s has been distilled into other areas, but it is nowhere near as concentrated as it ever was in the early days of Reddit
In those moments, :reddit-logo: was euphoric, enlightened by its own intelligence.
I still see residue of that euphoria today, even on Hexbear, especially when someone plays the "logic" card on their opinion and calls someone they disagree with "emotional."
At this point, please bring them back.
The gammon hivemind is constantly told how perfect they are, and we need any insults we can get to instill humility in these fascists.
Trying to be the first to comment "first" under every post.
Oh, I hated that and I don't miss it.
As a related thing, I hated the "dubs" obsession on 4ch!n. :bateman-ontological:
Anyone remember when bird is the word memed for like a week after that family guy episode
It went on a lot longer than a week in my local area and in my college social circle.
I HATE FAMILY GUY
I HATE FAMILY GUY
The "NYEHEHEHEHEHEHEH" thing and "GIGGITY" went on for about a decade. :agony-deep:
After we Lulag all redditors and 4channers, Family Guy watchers are next
The origin of the joke was making fun of self-important nerds who would type out banal and trite screeds about the kind of society we lived in like they were revealing some edgy profundity, the same kind of guys who identified with Heath Ledger's Joker. That so many of them started off with phrased like "We live in a society where" became just "we live in a society :joker-che: "
I admit that I use it too sometimes, and for probably the same reasons most who use it do: it's so absurd and vapid a statement that it's just a way to dress up "I am frustrated with how things are going in general."
I thought it was the opposite of Thatcher's "There's no such thing as a society, there are individuals and there are families" or some such nonsense
That'd be a good thing in that case; it'd mean people saying "fuck you, Thatcher. We aren't isolated consumer units in a vacuum, we have to function together somehow."
I still find that funny, especially when someone makes fanart of another character looking like the joker
Pretty sure it was just making fun of people that thought that they were the Joker from the batman movies.
People who say it with any semblance of profundity are missing the simple joy of standing on a street corner and yelling it like George Costanza
It was funny to me because it reminded me of guys who post pictures of Literally Mes with some dumb quote next to it
I think it came from "we live in a society where XYZ thing happens" and then reactionaries cut off the last part to try to mock it, and then it got reappropriated through irony idk
I thought it was a reference to Thatcher's famous "And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families." quote.
advice animal style memes maybe they're not dead IDK but good lord am I glad I never see them when they showed up in that superbowl ad that one year I just about had a stroke
I forgot all about that one. It was around when "gay" was an adjective to describe things that were bad. :cringe:
Probably went a lot like my puberty escapades around the same time
That was when the game industry and game journalism were ethical. (CW: SV)
https://res.cloudinary.com/lmn/image/upload/fl_lossy,q_80/f_auto/v1/gameskinny/0d82b6a7a2d8eecd968803ade768c324.jpg
I rented Daikatana from Blockbuster and oh my God, was that a mistake
That game sucked so hard it created a singularity in my N64 that absorbed my ability to find joy in the world
Weird thing is the Daikatana game for Game Boy Color had almost nothing to do with that disaster and was a Zelda-style top down adventure game. It was actually pretty good, especially compared to the main product.
When I started out at uni, I hung around the nerd clubs, which were a source of most of my modern friends. However:
The cake is a lie. Was tedious at the time.
"Make me a sammich" meme
I remember the bacon meme. Maddox contributed to its rise and then complained about everyone overusing the joke. Cool.
I remember for a while on reddit g-strings were called fart silencers, which made no sense mechanically. Shoving a tampon up there (don't) has a higher chance of silencing farts at the cost of you being slightly smelly all the time.
Actually, pretty much all redditisms I can remember. I realise this is a post-reddit board and we've pulled over some of the language here and there. Oh, maybe not the switcharoo joke. The structure around it was annoying, but switching the object and subject in a statement as a joke is a pretty traditional funny thing. That's fine, I guess.
I second "The Game".
“Make me a sammich”
Every single enthusiast for that meme that I knew in college that said it more than a few times and held onto it became some variety of incel/MRA, some even going to the gym for "gains" while maintaining and worsening their utterly repulsive personalities. The others sort of just floated in the :jordan-eboy-peterson: and :kubrick-stare: continuum while in Joe Rogan's orbit. Some got pretty decent jobs and at least one is a manager at a tech company now, but last I checked they're still lonely, one and all, throwing money at women pretending to like them several time zones away in the Asian Pacific and mailing them gifts and stuff but otherwise wondering why they're in their 30s and 40s and still single. Must be feminism, surely. :frothingfash:
Ugandan Knuckles was a terrible meme, and what's worse is how it vastly outshone its much better compatriot "somebody toucha my spaghet"
He didn't have a Butterfinger group, and so he missed out on a lot of nutrition. :the-more-you-know:
I guess I should explain more cause this is internet ancient. In the eara you would maybe call proto meme, which I'd say is earlier hamster dance Era stuff, this is like, mid to late 2000s Chan boards before they got way outta control/culture was closer to the chan board values and the 2nd meme wave included a lot of milhouse content but milhouse was explicitly NOT a meme because well...it's milhouse and that tracks with the character.
Any that are currently dead and all that will be dead in the future.
