So like I know certain things can’t be cooked on electric, but like I watch YouTube cooking videos and the guys with electric stoves just use like a small propane burner thing that goes on the kitchen counter to use like a wok or Moka Pot. I don’t know when people need 4 gas burners specifically, and I don’t think gas/electric matters for oven…. So shouldn’t that just be the end of the debate.
Like just buy one of the little gas stove things for those specific recipes, and then you won’t get cancer…..
I lost interest in the debate when it became clear the government wasn't gonna give me a free electric stove
gas stove debate is simply stupid and I don't think we need to humor what is just nonsense
Anyone on this site actually posting against gas stoves is a fucking moron who should shut the fuck up and mind their own business
Anyone on this site actually defending gas stoves is a fucking moron who should learn to deal with minor inconveniences.
Burning fossil fuels to cook isn't good. Are there more important things to worry about when it comes to energy consumption? Obviously. Should we continue to burn gas in our homes to cook food forever? Definitely not.
Should we continue to burn gas in our homes to cook food forever
:yes:
Tell me more about the #1 source of greenhouse emissions and energy usage: the 20 minute a day I'm cooking something using a nickels worth of gas
It's almost like you didn't read my comment. The amount of attention this is getting is a joke, because you're right, the amount of emissions from people cooking is no where near our biggest problem.
But at the end of the day we need to stop pumping gas to people's houses entirely at some point.
The problem isn't using a nickels worth of gas to cook, it's piping that gas out to every home in suburbia with pipes that inevitably leak. Something like 10% of residential gas usage is just leaks.
ackshually it's better for the environment to burn gas for heat than it is to burn it to generate electricity and then use the electricity for heat.
maybe if we had some kind of central planning we could phase out gas stoves as renewables are deployed.
Heat pumps are more efficient than burning gas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFEHFsO-XSI
Their argument also assumes that 100% non-renewable sources, which often isn’t the case. Anyone arguing that we should be burning natural gas in our homes is a simp for big oil.
Induction stoves for cooking, heat pumps for home heating and cooling
but what about your indoor environment
gas without proper ventilation (that nobody has) isnt good
I agree with gas stoves getting better results, but maybe tone down the hostility? I have an induction and really dislike it, but that’s only because improving my ability to cook is one of my main hobbies.
Since you seem knowledgeable on the topic: are those portable burners worth checking out?
Sorry I'm just annoyed that it's even a thing I'm just like what is wrong with people like if we're arguing about stoves this site will literally argue about anything. Also I like my stove.
But sorry I don't know anything about portable burners. I would imagine they'd work just as well as a stove as long as they put out enough heat and as long as they give you the same level of control over it. And as long as they give you a good work area, like I don't have to worry about my stove tipping over but you might need to keep stability in mind if you're shopping for something. Don't want a badly designed thing that'll tip over while you're moving food around.
When you're looking at heat output it's usually measured in British thermal units for some fucking reason, basically the higher the number the more heat it can put out, and generally you want those fuckers to get as hot as possible to get good sears or if you're using a wok for stir fry or whatever. My stove has one burner that goes up to 13000 BTUs and Id say try to get something at least that high if not higher
Again, sorry I don't have more specific information but I've never used one
Thanks for the response. The BTU and stability points are both good ideas in what to consider. I agree though, this is by far one of the silliest struggle sessions.
Np, and yeah it really is. Good luck in learning to cook, though, it's a fun and rewarding hobby and people will love you for delicious shit
The whole thing is dumb. gas stoves aren’t a significant ghg contributor and the health issues would be rectified by good fume extractors which any stove needs because coils smoke like a motherfucker when u drip shit on em and plenty of ways of cooking produce smoke and steam.
You just said that gas stoves don’t significantly contribute to Ghg though and if we’re accepting a world where we can mandate more powerful ventilation we can just ban gas heating in new construction and renovate existing places with gas heat.
That’s the way to act as a peoples party, not by prying things away from them but by recognizing that people care what the stove is and don’t care what their heat is (as long as it always works) and that the thing ppl like isn’t important and the thing they don’t care about is.
Of course more realistically speaking, can we say what the bourgeois state should do when we know it’ll be captured and subverted by the wealthy.
That’s not even touching the “gas works in a power outage” aspect of it.
and the health issues would be rectified by good fume extractors
good luck getting every shitty landlord to do major construction work for whenever this isn't easily feasible. I mean this in the sense of being a leftist means always having two opinions: how it should be done in a better world, and how it should be done now
wait is this a real thing people are arguing about? who fuckin cares
:squidward-chill:
kicked back, watching people take extreme positions on this completely made up right wing culture war bullshit on our leftist website
If you're microwaving food you should exit this debate entirely because that's not cooking
It literally is not cooking. Are you heating food? Sure. Is it edible? Yeah. Are you cooking? Fuck no, there is nothing about this process that resembles cooking and anybody mistaken enough to think that it counts should probably get the fuck out of a debate centered around cooking. All of the properties of cooking on a gas stove are lost on someone who thinks a microwave "is cooking"
The only kind of real cooking is in an oven filled with burning bog peat. Yes there are other ways to “heat” your “food”, but if it doesn’t have the pungent smoked taste of bog peat it isn’t real cooking.
putting a bag of raw peanuts in my pocket and then an hour later asking people if they want some roasted peanuts
@Lester_Peterson hey I need your fallacy quote over here
this is not a joke
please try microwaving thin potato slices into potato chips
it seems like there's no way to make a good chip in a radiation box but if you spritz them with oil and microwave them until they get a little color, then move them to a room temp plate and dust them with salt, baby you got some nice chips
Are you cooking? Fuck no, there is nothing about this process that resembles cooking and anybody mistaken enough to think that it counts should probably get the fuck out of a debate centered around cooking.
Isn't that highly dependent on what you're cooking? I've found it works great for baked sweet potatoes, much faster than an oven and nearly indistinguishable.
You're not going to get any sort of browning or crisping action, idk how you're cooking your potatoes in the oven but there should be noticeable differences unless you're basically steaming them in the oven
Show me a food that can't be microwaved and I will microwave it
Almost literally every single microwavable food will be better prepared through another method
friends don't let friends do things like that to themselves
So like I know certain things can’t be cooked on electric
fr? i thought only stuff that needed flame needed gas stoves
Woks are hard to heat right on an electric or induction stove, but there are special wok heaters. That’s basically the only other case.
no woks are fine on electric stoves. I've had both and have never noticed a difference
Apparently copper and aluminium cookware doesnt work on induction unless they have iron inserts.
fwiw, its not the 'magnetic' aspect that's directly important, you actually just want a metal that's a shitty conductor.
Copper and aluminum pick up the 'induction' from the induction heater with no problem, but they're efficient enough conductors that the eddy currents just don't produce much heat at all.
Why can't we have 3 inductive elements, and one propane burner in your 4 burner stove, with one small bottle of propane that attaches somewhere for the few things you absolutely need gas for? Maybe you could buy two RV size two burner stovetops, one electric and one propane, and put them side by side.
Bonus, if the power is out you can still cook with your gas source. If it's within budget, doubling up on your water heaters makes pretty good sense too. Gas heater first, feeding in to the electric heater. When the water coming into the electric heater is hot enough, it doesn't come on. When it's not because you turned off the gas or it ran out, the electric heater does the job.
So like I know certain things can’t be cooked on electric,
Wait really? I've never had a non electric stove and they always seemed to work fine with all food. I figure heat is heat when it comes to a pan or pot.
Do the ones you’ve had turn off when the pan is removed? Mine does and it makes cooking anything that requires removing from the heat source for a brief period a massive pain.
As others have pointed out, it also messes with heat distribution.
That being said, unless somebody is a hobbyist/has worked in a kitchen before I don’t see too much of a problem with induction stoves.
Definitely going to check out those portable burners though. If they’re cheap enough I’ll be able to finally learn a Cantonese recipe I’ve been interested in.
Nope, I've never seen any that turn off before that seems really weird.
Yeah, it’s hella weird. Like, remove the pan from heat and it turns off. Remove it for more than 10 seconds or so and it locks. Guess whoever chose it really had a hardon for fire safety.
