There were environmental arguments presented against stacking rocks, and there is nothing lost to an individual by not stacking rocks. There is no hunger or suffering involved by abstaining from that, but the counterpoint was, apparently, "DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO."
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I wasn't satirizing that thread, if that helps. I was saying that thread sucked.
Some people break down and regress to children if you ask them to even theoretically inconvenience themselves.
I had an amazing one on one struggle session with someone on Hexbear over gas powered leafblowers. They emit a staggering amount of pollution compared to even a conventional car per drop of gas, are noisy and messy and don't really solve the problem the way a rake does, just move it around, but I was the bad guy because they claimed that their particular garden arrangement required a gas powered leafblower for some reason. :grillman:
I think I accidentally broke the gas leaf blower we have at work so :im-doing-my-part:
I think the funniest part about it was that people had a break down over being told to NOT inconvenience themselves while also preserving a fragile ecosystem and the commons. A triple win scenario and they are crying because the like to stacka da rock
How about, to mix it up a bit, we have a 'struggle session' on the theoretical level? Instead of using topics to have proxy debates about conceptions of justice and autonomy, we just lay out clearly our differing views of justice, autonomy, democracy, intellectual property, etc.
Is it that most of us don't have the ability to properly articulate an argument about those things? Or that we all assume we share the same stance but the differences come out in these super specific situations that turn into struggle sessions? That's why we get fixated on the specific things. If you ask how we feel about autonomy in the abstract, we all pretty much agree. If you ask about autonomy and not moving rocks, we argue because we don't have the same view of it. The rock moving brings it out but the source is an actual fundamental disagreement about those things but we can never properly touch on it because it requires specificity to a "real world" situation in order to show up clearly.
Very good points, you can only really expect political philosophers/theorists to engage in this type of discussion
Didn't Mao have much to say about self critique as an ongoing practice and as a healthy habit for the party? :mao-clap:
Wow I remember that thread. Yeah some people were very uncharitable to your positions.
the left tells me there is too much plastic so instead i play with nature's legos (rocks) and suddenly that means i hate fish???
Grass is a horrible monoculture and is the most widely planted crop on the planet. Please touch it so much that it dies and makes room for native flora
Me (God's Aggressivest Gardener) on my way to touch some grass:marx-guns-blazing:
God’s Aggressivest Gardener
This is why I keep coming back to this site :data-laughing:
That would disturb the ecosystem that has been built up around the grass.
Like ants.
Why do you hate ants, buddy? Let them touch their fucking grass.
Ant biodiversity actually suffers as a result of our monoculture. Let them touch their native grasses
I've noticed that some of the loudest "touch grass" chanters seem to more often than not be the "don't tell me what to do" types. :grillman:
"You want me to not stack rocks? So, what, if I don't donate all my money and live like a monk and put nature in a big glass box I'm worse than Hitler? That's what you're saying, right? You just want to keep all the nature for yourself!" - like three different people
To be clear, the monk comment was dunking on those constantly making weird excuses for their behaviour, not arguing in favour of stacking the rock lol.
The woke mob is telling me I can’t stack rocks any more? Literally 1984, Brave New World, and Fahrenheit 451 COMBINED.
I'm just tired of moralism and people coming up with the weirdest excuses to morally justify doing "bad thing" to themselves. Like just be honest and say you don't care, coming up with these galaxy brain theories about why you're right to do "x bad thing" is really tiring
Young men need to clean up their riparian zones
*bucko :jordan-eboy-peterson:
My theories are way better than this. Leave the rocks alone. Nature = it's not yours don't touch
Average tl;dr novels rationalizing their behavior fans vs average "you can't tell me what to do" enjoyer
Perhaps “rockstacker” will become a new hexbear slur for people who destroy the environment.
E.g. - Shell oil Are a bunch of scummy rockstackers.
Because of a previous personal struggle session with related issues, I wish "leafblower by necessity" was the chosen term. :sicko-wistful:
Leafblowers are a bane upon society and existence and should be used as a slur for environmental destroyers
LET ME TELL YOU HOW.MUCH I HAVE COME TO HATE since paying too much for rent in a neighborhood where the landlords all underpay workers to run leafblowers all goddamn day
Not to mention the secondhand exposure to a shit ton of chemicals the workers and people walking by are exposed to just to move leaves around, fucking insanity just let them decompose.
A rake works better at the intended purpose and doesn't just move the problem around with added pollution, too.
I swear there's also reverse electric leafblowers that suck up leaves and mulch them? Like in China and Singapore I swear I've seen them mentioned or I'm just having a Mandela induced brain aneurysm...
I don't know. I know electric leaf blowers are a thing.
Still, rakes are cheap and do most leaf blowey jobs fine.
Truth rakes are better or just letting leaf cover occur when it's not interfering with anything (delende est lawns and lawn culture).
Is there really any difference between running a leaf lower and revving your engine through a dense residential neighborhood?
Turns out there is: leaf blowers are the fucking Devil.
Tldr of all the summarized research articles from the meta-article is that a leaf blower running for one hour equals a car driving 100 miles, the gas and oil mixture used is toxic as fuck, they produce an ungodly amount of pollution that actually can fuck up the ozone layer both in manufacturing of them and in running them (fun fact: summertime ozone levels have exceeded federal-based health standards every year since the passage of the Clean Air Act because of this bullshit). Also from personal experience hey cause noise disruption for any remaining wildlife within an area and fuck up sleep patterns (circadian rythms).
Tldr of Tldr: They are machines of Satan.
I'm always away for these stupid ass struggle sessions lol
Cairns aren't great but please don't kick down every one you see while hiking. Doing so can be far more damaging than their building ever was, much less keeping them as is. From the NPS guidelines :
If you come across a cairn, do not disturb it. Don’t knock it down or add to it. Follow the guidelines from the Leave No Trace Center for Outdoor Ethics to ensure future hikers can navigate the trail and prevent damage to the landscape:
Do not tamper with cairns – If an intentional cairn is tampered with or an unauthorized one is built, then future visitors may become disoriented or even lost.
Galxybrain tip: Don't Fuck With Things. If you see a thing and don't know why it's there, what it is or how it works, DONT FUCK WITH IT. You aren't a toddler and should have that kind of self control.
I read that thread and saw no struggle session lmao I miss everything :blob-no-thoughts:
You missed people being mad at me for making an informative post telling them that messing with the hydrology does in fact have an impact on hydrology. You didn’t miss much substantial argument that wasn’t “but what if I really like doing it?”
Many people don't like hearing that anything they enjoy or might enjoy doing might have a problematic or even harmful aspect to it.
Some reconsider things and change their behavior, some hear it out and keep doing the thing anyway, some do it less, and too many just get enraged. :sadness:
I can only use the knowledge Ive gathered through my education and career in the field to guide others through how their actions are harmful. The only thing that disappointed me about how today went was the people arguing that the science was incorrect. I can’t stop anybody from stacking rocks if they want to, but I wish they just said that’s what they wanted to do instead of creating a scene and spreading misinformation.
No skin of my back, the knowledge exists to them now and is in their hands. I trust that anybody self identifying as a leftist will do the right thing, especially if it doesn’t necessitate an entire lifestyle change.
i'm getting real sick of everyone's crank opinions on everything
