In america, more than 60 protesters have been run over this year but people will send the tank man image to chinese people, thinking it will deprogram them and make them hate china
love how they always use the cropped photo because the original shows that the tanks are leaving the square and that it's empty
also, may I grind my axe here?
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It wasn't a massacre of peaceful students, but a skirmish between PLA soldiers and armed detachments from the pro-capitalist/free market reform movement. The protest movement, as evidenced by their own accounts, called for market liberalization and free market reforms, rallying around a replica of the statue of liberty. After the movement had been building in the square for seven weeks, unarmed soldiers were sent in to disperse the protesters, after which many soldiers were beaten to death, torched, and lynched. The New York Times' death count went from 2600, to 8000, then to tens of thousands. In reality, only around 300 (including soldiers) were killed or trampled in smaller clashes outside the square.
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The Chinese Communist Party did not deny the incident and the deaths that occurred, nor did they hide the incident from the public. They held a press conference on national television two days after the incident occurred where they openly admitted the actions that took place, the estimated casualties, and the political motives involved.
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Protest leader admits no protesters were killed in the square.
Don't forget about Chai Ling, one of the Student leaders who said candidly in an interview that she was "hoping the government would kill the NED sponsored protestors" so they could get the support they need
How
"You, the Chinese, are not worth my struggle. You are not worth my sacrifice. "
"The students keep asking what shall we do next? But how can I tell them that what we are hoping for is bloodshed. For a moment when the government has no choice but to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. How can I explain any of this to my fellow students. And what is truly hard is some students are working so hard to prevent the government from taking such measures.
"For the sake of their selfish interests they are trying to get us out of the square before the government takes action"
"That's why I feel so sad. I can't tell my fellow students we must use our blood and our lives for the people to rise up. Of course the students will be willing but they are still such young children."
The reporter then asks her if she is going to "stay in the square herself?"
"No I won't" is Chai Lings reply
Why was Chai Ling unwilling to sacrifice herself for a movement she oversaw that caused so much bloodshed? Because she already had a green card to USA where she lives quite happily now.
Chinese people were not worth her struggle or sacrifice. But the CIA was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5__ESiklA1A
Here's the whole documentary, if you use it at least link that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gtt2JxmQtg&ab_channel=MiculMasten https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gtt2JxmQtg&ab_channel=MiculMasten0
Why? I was referring to Chai Ling and her luring students jnto a massacre, how she hated the Chinese people and the fact she was a CIA spy
Why would i link the entire documentary?
from my understanding the fatalities were in the neighborhood near the square but not in it
- Protest leader admits no protesters were killed in the square.
the western narrative is that they mowed people down in the square itself, seems reasonable to point out a basic inaccuracy on where the deaths occurred. I don't see that as a trivial detail
I didn't write this pasta originally and if you have a suggestion on how to rephrase it I'll listen
It's not a trivial gripe because it's primarily about how the deaths occurred. There were armed guerrillas attacking and lynching PLA soldiers, and the soldiers attacked and killed in return. It was legitimate self-defense on behalf of the PLA.
The lie is that the thousands of unarmed, innocent, student protesters who had gathered publicly in the square were mowed down, because the evil commie Chinese have no respect for human life and wanted to crush dissent. That's what most Americans visualize when they hear "Tienanmen Square Massacre", thanks to propaganda. The truth is that the square emptied out peacefully, and the total fatalities from both sides were about 200. The PLA acted far more restrained on that day than any US troops or cops would have.
The violence was not done in response to the lynchings so much as the lynchings were simply a part of the violence. There was a legit battle. The AP reported at the time that "Rival military units battle in Beijing." The CIA had armed rebels in an attempt to foment a colour revolution, as they are wont to do.
was under the impression it isn't censored as a topic, but I'd have to do some research to check
as an aside Winnie the Pooh definitely isn't censored but that myth just won't seem to die
"The Chinese government also asserted that unarmed soldiers who had entered Tiananmen Square in the two days prior to June 4 were set on fire and lynched with their corpses hung from buses. Other soldiers were incinerated when army vehicles were torched with soldiers unable to evacuate and many others were badly beaten by violent mob attacks.
These accounts were true and well documented."
Thearticle doesn't state at all where these are "well documented", care to help?
ONE PHOTOGRAPH was published in Granta which clearly showed two mutilated bodies. They were, however, those of two Chinese soldiers, hanging from a burnt-out bus in Tiananmen Square. These images were never seen in the mainstream Western media, which also maintained a silence concerning the actions depicted in them. Peter McKenna, Liverpool (p.mckenna@liverpool.ac.uk)
I found a Granta article about Tiananmen, might not be the same one, but it's paywalled. it's been SEO'd away on google and after this digging I've seen too many gory photos for now. but, I'll take a crack at searching it in Chinese on Baidu on the next go round
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I know multiple people who fantasize about a protester blocking their way on a commute so they can run them over, its absolutely normalized here
Killing someone demanding human rights so I can make some rich guy richer.
Tianmen square was fucked, sorry for the apologia. But people use this incident from 1989 to say that China is an evil nation that must be destroyed so i figure its worth comparing it to the united states
Chuds: "Tank man hero"
Chuds: "Anarchist (no government) Communist (big government) ANTIFA who blocked cop car bad"
They also never seem to show the image of the charred body of the cop the protestors lynched and burned alive. I can't imagine what our cops would do if someone at BLM strung up a cop by his neck and burned him alive. They'd open fire with full auto live rounds indiscriminately killing any and all people in proximity to protestors.
@DivineChaos100 is asking for documentation, and I don't feel like googling for burned corpses right now. would you mind helping them out if you have any links on this? I could add them to the pasta when I'm having a better day
https://youtu.be/qq8zFLIftGk
like even YouTube clearly shows hes fine. imagine climbing a police car alone in the US, lmao
Wow I had no idea there was video, American tank man wouldve been dead 5 seconds in, especially since he kept moving in front of the tank. Incredible how many people in the comments just decided that everyone involved got executed or put in camps right after this incident, including the tank driver
wait did Tank Man die? I thought it couldn’t be verified who it was
Yeah I'm probably guessing a little bit, he wasnt identified and was later arrested, but with all the hype around that image you would think he was run over right there and then
Wow. Imagine if the alt-right took iconic images of BLM protests with the headline "All these people survived and went home and got back on their phones and shopped Amazon" as a way to recontextualize the protests and all the people who have been maimed or murdered.
Don't get involved in shitty revisionism.
Here's a photo of the actual carnage that took place that day (very graphic/NSFW)
a reverse image search says that specific image is from a 2009 blogger who was shown this image on a train in 2007 by an apparent family member of a soldier there that day. as far as i can tell the only people reporting that image is French state media. I don't want to downplay anything, at least hundreds died in that bloody conflict, but you still need to be careful of misinformation
Here you go - a full gallery of photos including charred corpses, piles of dead bodies, and bikes and bodies that have been rolled over by tanks
The Tianenmen bastards lit UNARMED soldiers on fire and killed them. The military was a lot more restrictive than the media portrays. You wonder why a Hong Kong protester was never killed by a soldier? China learns from their past, America does not.
lol this community exalts every police murder, I'm glad the protesters fighting back somehow absolves the state military forces from whatever unhinged violence erupted in the standoff
and sure, china doesn't murder people, they just disappear them and magically they're making public addresses three months later talking about how grateful they are to the benevolent leadership of the ccp
have you read 1984?
You mean the story of a dissident who's captured and coerced into acting against his will, thereby transforming him into an obedient peon of the state?
Exactly why it's real-world manifestation is that much creepier.
Many of the photographs in that album depict the PLA vehicles and soldiers that were torched by violent rebels, but I saw no piles of bodies as you described.
That's from a different site, but okay. I see four bodies in the photo (not squished by tanks), and it's not clear where they're located. The Chinese narrative is that ~200 were killed amidst violent clashes that week outside the square, so I would expect there to be some level of carnage left behind to photograph. I'm not denying that it's tragic, but does this debunk anything? What is my takeaway supposed to be?
As my original assertion, the title of this post white-washes and reduces the Tiananmen Square Massacre to "apparently this one guy survived", while ignoring the 200 killed but glorifying the 60 victims in the BLM scene. Just typical tankie revisionism.
What an absolute moron. Why would you jump on the hood of a cop car when it’s got its sirens on? There could have been a live robbery or shoot-out, or a cat stuck in a tree. Why would you martyr yourself, for what purpose? Clout? Are you the Andy Ngo of Antifa?
I'm sorry to be going through post history, but this was literally you yesterday about an american getting hit by a police car. I don't have to imagine anything, you are actually doing that right now. Tianmen is happening in America right now, just a lot more spread out, and many are on the side of the police as we speak
Yeah, you can think police are sociopaths and that some protesters are hare-brained. It's not mutually exclusive.
