Every time the topic of guns come up, I'm here to remind people two simple facts:
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The pigs aren't going to disarm themselves.
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The pigs aren't going to disarm their fascist drinking buddies either.
- if you shoot back, you've signed your death warrant and the international hunt is on.
if I'm going to get killed either way, what problem has having a gun solved? my issue is with the uncritical acceptance of the right's narrative that owning a gun is somehow self-defense. it's a useful tool for community defense but it's not helpful past being threatening for self defense and it poses a significant risk of self-harm. we need to stop presenting it as if it solves a self-defense problem.
I mean why do anything with your mentality? Everything is pointless. Transphobes have fists, too, so no point in fighting them. They have legs so they can just catch trans people that run away. I guess if trans people get ambushed by a transphobe, they should just lie down and accept their beating and possible death as a natural consequence of being trans.
because there's better ways to deal with threatening situations? deescalation, situational awareness, and similar skills are much more useful for self-defense than guns. I've literally had to deal with this for years. I'm brown and trans - there's a target on my back.
How exactly do you think trans people should deescalate transphobes attempting to do a hate crime to them?
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:malcolm-checks: we've been over this before and we'll be over this again. Voting and owning guns are not mutually exclusive and in fact both should be considered necessary. Voting won't save you from a violent transphobe but your gun isn't going to save you from the government.
yep, racist, transphobe and grandson of a CIA operative responsible for the bay of the pigs invasion
conservative self-defense bullshit
It’s bullshit because they’re wrong about how dangerous their lives are. Trans people, on the other hand, are correct.
This is where I stand. Yes I own firearms. Yes I live in a rural place where I only use them to target shoot. If somebody tried to kick in my door the first thing I would do is hide preferably with my gun loaded and ready. Last resort would be pulling that trigger on a person.
But I'm not gonna "wish a motherfucker would" and shoot a stranger for approaching my driveway.
However I'm cis, the psychos aren't openly talking about eradicating me. They are when talking about trans people. They're talking about my kin, literal blood kin. So arm up if you're comfortable with it. Get some range time. Learn how to clean and maintain. God forbid you ever have to use it but fuck.... shit is getting wild out there even to my second-hand experience. Which just tells me the first hand is much more intense because the anecdotes and news articles that trickle down to me are bone chilling.
trans genocide, suicide
I feel like I’m paranoid and just reading into people’s actions because I’m steeped in horrible news about what’s happening to trans people elsewhere, but no. I’ve had 3 people yell degrading shit at me in the past couples months, one of which involved several slurs. And I’m white and don’t even present that GNC. But people around here open carry and hang flags off their trucks. They are not shy about what they think. I’d imagine there are plenty of trans people who were in the midst of coming out in conservative areas and have just recloseted themselves. And that’s so much harder than being repressed. You build up these psychological barriers for decades and then finally take them down and going back is like trying to put all the water back into a faucet.
At the same time I know plenty of trans people who won’t get strapped because there’s a good chance they’d turn it on themselves.
For sure, I totally agree. If you feel having a gun is a path to self harm just do not own one. Look into alternatives for self defense. Pepper spray. Or some endurance training so you can outrun those fucks.
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It's scary out there. That repression is real, i have seen it first hand. My cousin started her transition but it took 2 years for her to actually meet me in person and when I hugged her we both cried a little because she was so scared I would reject her and I had a couple tears because I missed her for so long. But she is on HRT, happier than ever. She was so so miserable as a boy. I could tell it was all an act even as kids. Oh "x is always so theatrical" and it's because they had to perform for like 30 years
It's a constant worry. Some people have friends hold their piece for them and only give it to them when they go to the range together. After practice it goes right back in to the friend's safe.
I always tell people who don't feel safe being armed that someone is going to have to staff the phones, arrange transportation, watch kids, keep lookouts, make food, perform first aid and ambulance roles. There's a whole lot of things people need to do that don't involve carrying a piece.
Transfolk get armed because Transfolk are one of the highest rated for getting assaulted and murdered
It's not their fault the mainstream culture in most of America is Savage Yakubian Bleach Demoniacal Shit
Can we not just give queer and trans people nukes already? Like, that seems to be rule number one for getting American violence off your back
Nose gun on the cobra go brrr as it fucks up a column of fascists.
im sure we can :gulag: like 90% of them and turn them into actual human beings :shrug-outta-hecks:
Eh, I don't want to have to look at their gormless faces for the rest of my life, "rehabilitated" or no
That was basically my token defense, your point has a lot more merit honestly.
While I agree trans people should be armed, I don’t think this is fair to SocDemDoneLeft.
Aside from making reactionaries slightly more hesitant, Guns in the hands of atomized individuals alone means jack shit, especially in the scenario leftists envision where armed rightoid death squads are roaming the streets looking for people to lynch. That doesn’t even mention how the Bourgeois state outguns any individual and only upholds the “gun rights” insofar they can be used against marginalized groups, not by them. You need organization and coordination above all else to make anything matter.
Well they don't mean jack shit, a gun is still an effective self defense tool for an individual against targeted violence and hate crimes. But they certainly mean a lot more as part of an armed, trained, and organized bloc.
But if you don't have access to an already-existing org and you feel potentially at risk from non-government fascists, getting armed and trained as an individual is a step in the right direction. Ideally alongside cultivating support and activist networks.
I agree. But I think what he's getting at is that the "conservative self-defense bullshit" is merely buying a gun to get some peace of mind and a false sense of security, rather than as a step in the right direction. People internalize "minorities need to arm up" to mean that it applies collectively, as if rightoids will just stay away if a percentage of the population they're preying on straps up. Granted, expecting every LGBTQ+ person to be politically and socially active from the get-go before they even think about getting a piece for their own personal safety is unreasonable; but it's far from the characterization the OP title implies.
Well if he wanted to stress the importance of organizing and armed community self defense over individualist vigilante fantasies, he should have said so. I'd fully agree on that. A trans girl with a gun doesn't stop a fascist mob from terrorizing a community, but a dozen queer folks with guns can demonstrably do that.
But he didn't say that. The way he's worded the post, it mostly comes off as toeing the Democrat party line and tone deaf liberal civility politics bs towards a minority whose lives are systematically and deliberately being made unliveable as we speak. No cissie boi has the right to tell my Amerikan siblings that, he deserves to get bodied for this when he's that completely incapable of reading the room and understanding the pain and terror inflicted on trans people in the US.
I can't speak for all of them but a lot of leftist gun clubs hammer on training, organization, and community constantly.
after the discord racism years ago, why does anyone even bother giving him a platform that doesn't have a drop in it?
if you can't procure a firearm consider a rowing machine to become a different sort of armed :arm-L: :arm-R:
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED :arm-L::og-hex-bear::arm-R:
Twink arms, however, are banned.
This is misrepresenting what SDL said.
Just talking about leftist strategy: Against the state's military, individuals always lose.
Only an organized group can hope to oppose. They usually lose, too.
But easily 95% people On Here aren't members of any leftist org. Most can't even name one active in their city.
People love to post about community defense.
It's just posting.
It's "LARP" without the "live action" part.
Most people on here haven't been and don't know where their community meets.
And if you can't dial up your local org leadership, don't pretend your gun will save you.
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The "guns will save you" side always pretends the "they can't" side wants you to roll over.
No. I want you to join an org. Left-ly poasting about guns won't save you.
Twitter has ~2 million American lefties. Socialist orgs have under 140,000 members.
Just block the knife with your membership card :think-about-it:
Smack it away with a rolled up newspaper :trot-shining:
Well maybe he should have made that clear from the beginning instead of LARPing as a civility lib. Is it really that hard to not come off as maximally belittling to people who have to deal with being the prime target of clericofascism?
And even so, this stinks of abusing our situation for a mere recruitment drive. It scolds people for not joining a socialist org while having ZERO empathy for the nightmare US trans folks are in rn. It's a cissie boy talking down to the marginalized and he needs to do some thorough self crit in that regard.
in the land of the guns, marginalized people should've guns. however, self-defense is less than "ideal" especially with guns because of how easy it is to get shot and killed.
I'm not sure what you mean. Guns level the playing field in a fight more than pretty much anything else. Like give a 12 year old girl a baby Glock and she can kill a 6'5" roided out meathead.
if you are in America, its very likely that the Nazi also has a gun. also, under stress, people can't think straight and may not be able to get the gun out and shoot the other person fast enough. its not like video games where you can just right click point and click heads.
its not like video games
Unless the video game is Receiver 2
This isn't an argument, I just like talking about Receiver 2
Nazis likely having a gun is just another reason to have a gun. The under stress thing goes both ways, as well. And if guns are that hard to kill people with that people can't get a shot of, then why does anyone want to ban them? No one said anything about this being a video game.
Oh come on, 12 year-olds have much better guns in this country. AR-15s at least.
It's largely not even about fighting. Kkkrackers are really brave as long as they're the only ones armed, but if they see a few people with rifles they suddenly decide discretion is the better part of valor. Like deterrence is a real consideration that should be taken seriously. Driving a truck in to a crowd when the perimeter security people all have ARs is a very different proposition from attacking an unarmed crowd.
What's your supposition here, that the cops are going to protect trans people?
one on one maybe. but if you kill one of them, what are the odds the cops side with you, the trans person, instead of the dead person, and don't hunt you down? what are the odds you live to see a court date?
if you had to defend yourself with lethal force your life was already on the line. you're presenting us the option to either die or die
"This nonviolent stuff will get you killed" and the uprising in 2020 were both eye openers. When people marched they weren't carrying, but a lot of people during civil rights were strapped. Non-violence was a tactic, not a suicide pact. King often had a lot of people staying wherever he was staying, strapped up, to dissuade the klan from attacking in the night. A repeated theme was that the sncc kids weren't armed but the people who were hosting them often were, with the attitude of "we're not going to let the klan kill these nice kids without a fight".
Same thing in 2020. Like don't get me wrong, there were no heroic self defense shootings. But everyone was strapped. I have never seen so many rifles and pistols outside of a shooting range. Whatever liberals think about it people have guns. They might even have helped dissuade attacks - we got video of a cop shaped white guy getting out of his car a few blocks from a protest camp, unloading a glock in to the air, and driving away. The thinking was cops or yakubians were doing it to heighten terror. And the cops wouldn't come near us unless they had 40 cops with rifles bc they were afraid of getting lit up.
We're not dealing with a safe, sane, reasonable world where level heads and well phrased arguments will prevail. People complaining about armed minorities and leftists have an inaccurate view of how politics is conducted in America.
isn't that fantasy precisely how the black panthers achieved their aims?
if anything the problem is that the state would start killing a trans self defence party.
edit: what i'm trying to say is that we should distinguish between three things. one is someone under the very real risk of persecution buying a gun, another is those someones and their allies forming self defence groups, and then there's the real fantasy where if everyone had a gun then we would have no reason to deal with the structural problems that turn atomized societies into low level civil wars. that fantasy is generally held by people who aren't endangered by the state the way trans people and racial minorities are.
