Hell, all the evangelicals would get walled if our country actually cared about abuse
And now they're one step away from declaring any LGBTQ+ people or their allies "sex offenders" and worthy of being jailed for 20 years / DEATH PENALTY for acknowledging queer youth exist or being in the vincinity of youth.
Legit two steps from actually feeling the need to become an Everglades Maoist.
Joke isn’t as funny when our comrades in Florida actually need an armed struggle to save them.
You'll have to do it quick then, both because things are going downhill fast and because the everglades won't exist for much longer
Everglades maoists was a meme spawned by the subreddit.
I can’t find it anymore, but it was hilarious.
People live there? I thought it was just wildlife. A lot of gators
Even in a place that isn't trying to do a trans genocide, it's still incredibly fucking stupid policy. Chomos would just kill kids after abusing them, because it lowers the chance they'll be found out but doesn't add anything to their sentence.
I disagree, under an ideal government people who do that to kids deserve death. They can’t be fixed.
Protecting children is something we can’t halfass. As lefties, we want to build them a better future, this includes removing pedos.
That's just retributive justice, and it doesn't do anything positive. If you're advocating for something, you have to identify who it helps. And "my bloodlust" is not an answer
So every compunction that's not a full and free choice (whatever that even means) is 100% unfixable? All addicts are broken forever, everyone with a mental disorder can never be helped?
Definitely evading a ban. 2 month old account and knows about the subreddit
I don’t know what compunction means, but there is a world of difference between what pedos do and people with substance issues.
Somebody Failing to recognize the difference honestly feels like going to a beach and hearing a sea lion go ARP ARP ARP
You're honestly being really fucking stupid and you're using reactionary brainworms to process this.
I dont even care if it's curable or not, and I don't even care if they die. TONS of American laws especially many around child safety are so poorly written that they substantially increase the number of victimized children.
Do you agree that this law would cause pedophiles to murder children? If so, do you still want to get children killed to satisfy your bloodlust? If not, why not?
it's gotta be sockpuppets, they all went up suddenly to like 5 at a weird time in the early morning
It's literally not dumbshit, why are you even on this website. What matters is the effect on children, above all. Not your stupid fucking bloodlust. Get the fuck outta here go back to :reddit-logo:
Yeah! It's killing them! So fucking cool that there will be no reoffenders and instead of reoffenders there will just be a bunch of strangled and shot kids. Won't reoffend though! Dipshit
Lmao, conspiracy brain much? It originally said disengagge because I’m drunk and fingers ar heard to use.
Sure thing bud
Lmao. Get fucked I saw the post, it was a further argument about the stupid topic at hand and didnt say anything of the sort
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How are the answers to those questions in any way the same?? They are completely apples and oranges here. Can you read
Yo just popping in to say that this is bad faith and you're acting like a fucking moron rn
when they start murdering their victims at a higher rate, would those kids have been protected?
If chances of getting caught was part of the calculation they would already be doing that.
And if pee pee then poo poo
:downbear: how the fuck is this tough on crime shit unionically being spewed on this site now too?
You have no clue how easy it is to get this wrong or you wouldn’t be spouting this shit.
Most juries will convict based on the accusation alone. About 1/5 of the people you execute will be innocent. Maybe more.
You're dumb and drunk. Look at the Innocence Project. Even a socialist state cannot convict molesters with 100% accuracy. When - not if, when - you mess up, you have killed an innocent person and there is nothing that can be done to make it right. At least a wrongfully caged person can be released and made comfortable for their remaining years.
Child abusers may escape from prison and go on to do more crimes. That rate is lower than the fucking obvious conclusion that the death penalty will kill approximately 5% innocent people.
They'll throw anyone under the "woke" umbrella label a "sex offender" because it offended their imaginary sky fairy's sensibilities and thus their feelings, facts be damned.
:gui-better: Walsh, and then all of the major Daily Wire funders. Then all of Ron DerSantis' major bribers and Ron get the Abu Ghraib for life.
I feel like the only things that should have the death penalty are things like abuse of power, corrupting a jury through bribery, etc. The shit that gets you a slap on the wrist in the current system.
Not to say someone who abused children shouldn't be sent for reeducation, possibly for life in the gulag, but I can't trust the death penalty when used against people who predominantly aren't powerful.
:epstein: being a notable exception
Agreed, high level “political” crimes where there’s no chance you got the wrong guy because we all know George W Bush started the Iraq war
I'm pretty strongly a no death penatly absolutist (unless its like, mid revolution and someone is a danger to it, things like that, practical reasons) but if you're going to do it yeah this is the way to do it.
You aren’t an absolutist if you have exceptions. I feel strongly that the capitalist state should have no right to kill, but if it was to be overthrown by communists then bust out the guillotine. States by virtue of being states have the monopoly on violence, we need to weaken the capitalist monopoly on violence but not so much that we lose it ourselves, we need to take control of that monopoly and if our ideology is purely anti-violence we lose a very valuable tool. So pacifism is not praxis imo. We need to assert that the left would be much better in control of the monopoly than the right is, not that we are going to abolish the monopoly entirely.
Well, my "exceptions" are based on practicality, not justice. I'm against retributive justice on principle. Generally speaking, once the revolution is secured I see no reason for the state to kill anyone.
This. Retributive justice is pure sadistic bloodthirst. It serves no legitimate purpose what so ever and there is no justification. Even setting aside principle, from a pragmatic stance it is counterproductive and makes things worse.
That's the gimmick. He was killed to silence him to protect the people who abused children
That's why I included as notable exception, yeah.
However most abusers don't have much in the way of institutional power.
Epstein's death was far more useful as a cover up than a punishment.
Was referring to his position as powerful, not the outcome of "suicide".
Basically he was institutionally powerful in the way most abusers aren't (tho often structurally, i.e. people in positions of power, but in an absolute sense they aren't).
It the worst part. They use lethal injection which is a terrible torture.
I’d legit take the chair over it, it’s fucking evil.
Absolutely harrowing to learn that the "cocktail" used for lethal injections is uhhh, literally just made up, with no scientific process behind it except "these three drugs should probably do an okay job."
Actually just shoot me instead, please.
Firing squad in the US means strapped to a wall in an empty room, with ~3 riflemen aiming at your chest through a slit in the wall and witnesses sitting behind mirrored glass.
Seriously?
How fucking hard are they working to make any dignified death impossible in the US prison system?
Well they've done away with Last Meal in Texas, other states limit it to 40-15 dollars or just deny anything at all.
They don't use the guillotine bc a method that kills instantly and never fails is too something. State murder is just barbaric in every way, including in it's utter hypocrisy.
They dislike seeing blood “oooooo blood bad” who cares if it’s more humane it makes me sad.
Almost all of these cases are decided without physical evidence, and often on the basis of a single child’s testimony. (I’ve seen convictions even when the child said nothing happened at all.)
Juries will absolutely convict based on the accusation alone
A lot of innocent people are going to be executed.
We played this game with the Satanic Panic in the 80s. Hysteria ripes through a town and pretty soon a dozen people are in jail while some freaks scream "Children Don't Lie" from the court house steps.
Now we're going to up the ante on these cases to make sure DAs can't back down and courts don't have any opportunity to reverse false rulings.
If you have the personal capacity, please consider joining a radical pro-trans org that actively helps trans people. Trans people of all ages will increasingly need underground railroad-style aid.
Yes but they are small and varied. And because some of this could be legalistically interpreted as child trafficking so I'll avoid naming any names.
