Make of that what you will
This is what dumbfuck Reddit larpers spend their time on.
Far inferior to dumbfuck ChapoChat larpers who would never stoop to such levels.
But for real this is worse than calling Che "red fash" or whatever the worst thing genzanarchist was doing, please grow the fuck up for the love of god.
Edit: if you think this is like a good or productive thing, I'd like to interview you for a project I'm doing on the most unserious people on the planet
The greatest obstacle to the Western left is people having factual misconceptions about Che Guevara
Not really. If someone thinks Che was a big scary racist who killed a bunch of innocents and dislikes him on that basis, it's true they're completely wrong.
Values wise, though, their beliefs are that racism is bad and killing a bunch of innocents is bad.
Um idk what kinda take that is, but the anti communist propaganda and misinformation about Che and virtually every other communist revolutionary leader throughout history has always been one of the most serious impediments to leftist growth in the west. anti communist propaganda has also been actively used by anarchists to coopt movements and take advantage of this deeply ingrained anti communism in the west. The fact that there is so little pushback against anti communist rhetoric and propaganda among anarchist spaces is telling enough to its usefulness. I mean even in media you only ever see communism portrayed as the evil Russians that need to be killed and anarchism as the cool defiant and rebellious crowd fighting back against the oppressing government. Its dishonest to dismiss it as nothing important when this continual peddling of misinformation pushed by imperial media at the behest of capitalist interests always finds its way into the left and isn't only not actually fought back against, but also actively embraced opportunistically in many cases.
If your case is destroyed by people thinking some specific person was bad and immoral, it wasn't a good case to begin with.
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It means nothing
Chapos on here were calling the men setting up checkpoints all over Oregon "Larpers"
Setting up checkpoints with rifles and stopping people is the exact opposite of a Larp
Live Action Role Playing
Basically dressing up all fancy, making up a fun character to pretend to be then going outside and hitting other people who are also dressed up fancy and pretending to be someone fun with foam swords and beanbags.
It's cool and good and I don't appreciate yall joyless politics nerds giving us a bad name.
Yeah, I know. I'm saying it's being stripped of all meaning by people who use it to mean... I actually still can't figure it out. Saying things? Doing things on the internet for political reasons?
Apparently it’s not a “takeover”, the kid in charge grew out of their anarchist phase and became an ML and has started banning people left and right. Pretty dumb/funny.
Man, they're going to have to add this to the death toll in the Black Book of Communism.
BREAKING: Kid defining them self by bourgeois marketing demographics and fashionable ideological label changes to trendier ideological aesthetic for the fall season.
ITT we make grand pronouncements about this events implications for global liberation.
you'd be surprised how much deeply reactionary shit there is on reddit, especially on anarchists subs. A lot of very surface level "anarchism" which reminds me of very surface level "socialism". I lose my mind at how much "Uyghur genocide" and "red fascism" shit i see peddled around places like dankleft and anarchists subs.
that sub was hella reactionary, those people are certainly not gonna be happy if they come here and aren't able to call everyone a red fash tankie and call china fascist
calling china fascist is not a "take" its just reactionary shit. if this site had an influx of reactionary shit i just wouldnt bother with it, literally do not want to deal with the migraines. having to argue with people about why china is not fascist shouldn't be something i have to do in even fucking leftist spaces. go actually look at r/genzanarchist if you really want to see what it was like
well yes having a place for people to engage honestly with the other side is good but posting also isnt a job, like it would literally be impossible for that sub to ever have been changed. its good for people to come into leftist spaces and challenge their ideas, i just hate the expectation thats it becomes almost like a job to do this. idk i guess its just something to keep an eye on and actually warn people if they're constantly peddling reactionary shit cause its so fucking tiring to deal with
apparently just not being an ML or taking massive issue with the CCP's obvious authoritarianism and clear prejudice against ethnic and religious minorities (even if we dismiss everything that fascist was involved with in reporting on the genocide, shit like "wearing a long beard" in the statute's own words is apparently enough to get your ass detained) makes you a reactionary now. everyone who does not subscribe to the exact tendency i have is a reactionary. this is what reactionary means now, because apparently jokingly calling each other libs was too good-natured.
saying shit like "the sub was reactionary" to imply they were being infiltrated by chuds or allying with ancaps but actually using it to mean "they have the takes any anarchist would have almost by definition on China" is sleazy bullshit.
oh ya calling mls red fash and parroting anti communist propaganda is definitely not reactionary 🙄
Takeover implies someone new joined the mod team and “took over”, not someone already in charge going psycho, how can you take over something you already run
Too bad they didn't have a strong and disciplined hierarchical structure to prevent this 😔
But this happened exactly because they were governed by a hierarchical structure
It's not that internet meme communities make some big profound point about society, it's just that the specific thing I'm responding to doesn't make any sense.
It's exactly why anarchists tend to prefer stuff like Mastodon, and why there's excitement for Lemmy federating. Because then we actually could function without moderators and admins having a monopoly on access to the community, it decentralizes and democratizes moderation.
Funnily enough it seems the top mod did this more or less on their own because they became a Marxist of some sort so probably they're going to be saying this is actually a failure of having a hierarchy forced on them by reddit instead of a council with a rotating executive officer of the week whose decisions have to be ratified at bi-weekly meetings by a simple majority in the case of internal affairs or a 2/3rds majority in the case of all others. All the mods beneath the top one have been mods for 10 hours or less so they clearly purged all the existing ones.
All the mods beneath the top one have been mods for 10 hours or less so they clearly purged all the existing ones.
😂
Literally shat on Zenz about 5 times in the last 2 days. :)
Gotta love how the top comment has a "slaughter tankies" pepe as their Avi.
Lol It’s kind of fucked for the anarchists that just wanted somewhere to meme and hang.
Yeah it really sucks, first r/CTH got banned now r/GenZanarchist got taken over. And now I question whether I'm even welcome on here, reading this thread is like "haha anarkkkids got what was coming to them, finally they get educated and stop posting CIA propaganda".
And obviously I know that this is stupid online drama and doesn't matter, but that was one of the few online spaces besides here (and r/CTH back in the day) that I enjoyed.
sorry but the Great Reddit Purge has begun and there is no stopping it now, our sleeper agents are activating across the entire site
Thank you for telling me. I was wondering why genz had those posts about Fidel from there. This is highly amusing.
EDIT: Although to be honest I'm not sure this was the right move. While obviously funny I don't think it's going to help anarchists grow out of that dead end, it's just going to foster more resentment. And while amusement is nice, ultimately I think the thing to strive for is to help anarchists move beyond anarchism to Marxism. I get some percentage are hopeless liberals, die-hard-imperialists, anti-communists, and generally stuck in loops of bad logic types, but there are definitely many who just are uneducated or rather were miseducated by the west so it was easier to go to anarchism and retain their propaganda about AES.
At the same time, perhaps portraying Marxism as an objective evolution of Anarchism is in and of itself misguided. While there was some anarkiddie content there, it is not always pro-imperialist, often siding in critical support with current transitionary states. Anarchism is its own school of thought, adjacent and important to synthesize into Marxism.
I wouldn't say it's an objective evolution (and didn't use that language). Lots of people have never had an anarchist phase for one and many anarchists don't go on to become Marxists nor is there a logical path of progression from anarchism itself. It's more that anarchism is so often baby's first anti-capitalist ideology and many cling to it because becoming Marxists requires rejecting propaganda that has hegemony in your society. It is its own school of thought but many anarchists you'll find online despite being able to tell you that wouldn't be able to tell you a lot more. It's just that many such people once they examine things more closely come to the conclusion that anarchism cannot work or succeed and that as such Marxism/Marxism-Leninism is the viable and best path forward.
And I apologize for being blunt but it is an unsuccessful ideology. And that's important to me. Because investing people and time and energy into a bad path results in less people able to get down the good one to get us to where we need to be in regards to revolution and defense of it after success. I will stand with anarchists, I will defend them if given the chance against reactionaries and liberals, and I would work with them in a limited capacity. I will also not go out of my way to slander them or join liberals in doing that (which unfortunately cannot be said for them as beyond just online hostilities you have anarchist groups projecting "fuck tankies" onto the Chinese consulate in SF, ML's would not waste resources on such foolish divisiveness in the face of the enemy). However their obsession with hierarchy (and tendency towards seeing all hierarchies as equally bad and thus prone to believing imperialist propaganda against China or other AES states or indeed the notion that China/other-AES-states are themselves imperialist) is damaging and detrimental to any revolutionary effort. There is a reason there have never been any successful anarchist societies and that is because they are crushed by the bourgeoisie.
All this said, my point remains, this is not a good way to win people over. People close their minds over acts like this. This whole ordeal was not helpful and I would go so far as saying it was counter-productive in my opinion but I don't know all the facts about that sub in particular or its problems so maybe the person who did it had more driving them than simply anti-anarchist animus.
The mod should have had a much lighter-handed approach and simply banned anti-communist posters.
Fking fitting that an anarchist sub would get nuked because of a rogue mod.
Idk how this is meant to "educate the anarkiddies" when you are essentially proving their worst stereotypes of "tankies" correct
Idk how this is meant to “educate the anarkiddies” when you are essentially proving their worst stereotypes of “tankies” correct
by owning them duh, but also this is hilarious and of course anarchists who are literal children (genZ) mostly don't have opsec this is hilarious all around because I don't think reddit is praxis
Destroying fledgling leftist communities to own the uh checks notes leftists
i hope they survive the posting gulag lol maybe the CIA can give them some memes do do a posting color revolution
u do know that the mod that did this is a literal teenager right?
who are literal children (genZ)
wait i literally said this I have no idea what point your making now
I agree with MLs on a lot but man they are so easy to be made into larpers that just do dumb shit like that.
it would be funny but they seem like the kind of annoying ass kids who just post pictures of assad and legitimately think they did an act of praxis lmao. also one of the mods was kerryposting, but no one understood what it was
also on the flip side, genzanarchist was full of annoying ass kids who call everyone they disagree with red fash so idk, i guess if we can limit leftist infighting to 14 year old ml ultras and 15 year old anarchists who post memes about kropotkin despite never having read him that would be cool
This whole event is incredibly stupid but the subreddit drama thread made my blood boil.
Literally full of "red fash" and "anarchists must work together with liberals to defeat the evil tankies".
Like I used to be an anarchists but yall are really out here making yourselves useful idiots for Western imperialism smdh
Couldn't agree more as a socialist. Each and every ones of the societies tankies adore from USSR all the way to modern China are authoritarian effectively fascist regimes except they claim to be communist.
The takeover was a dumb move but the people complaining about it are such idiots
I can't help but feel that "you're dumb children and eventually you'll realize we're right" and "you're literally fascists and we will cooperate with the liberals to persecute you" aren't equivalent.
I refrained myself from any stupid, stupid, stupid Reddit drama. I came here to escape from all that bullshit
Cool. I liked that sub. Thank you for making my Reddit experience even worse than it was.
The memes are funny, sure, but it was a really dumb decision.
sure, pissing off potential allies is kind of counter productive though.
Could you please not intentionally stir up internet drama tysm.
Cheers for the laugh
I laughed solidly for 2 minutes at some of the replies. I dont know why people are crying about it
Is it childish? Very
Is it funny? Very
