Dudes claiming they are "old stock" or "heritage" Americans. They'll even call other white people who's ancestors weren't here before the Civil War "ellis islanders" and invaders.
As someone who's ancestry has partially been here since the 1690s.. it's a crock of shit and silly as fuck.
slavic horde here to miscegenate and weaken the white anglo saxon protestant. checking in
White supremacy can always be mocked because for lack of a better term, their “final boss” isn’t China, or the entire global south ready to take revenge, it’s always some form of “lesser” whites, usually “da jooz” will do, but anti Eastern-European sentiment and antisemitism usually go hand-in-hand.
And even then, white supremacists in the west seem to be willing to play nice with Duginists for now, so I could be wrong.
This sounds like what Canada went through 20 years ago - a new far right party emerged, and all of a sudden "Old Stock Canadian" was being used. Really, it's used as a way of describing rural white folks, so, a racist term.
We talk about the purity spiral in fascism and this is it.
Part of the thing I don't like about evangelical revanchism is that (a.) I don't what social protection I have destroyed, and (b.) I have no desire to get caught up in whatever weird sectarian conflict they pivot to when they decide the pope is an agent of the devil and turn on the catholics again or whatever
Old Stock Canadian
Settlers wants to be indigenous so badly, just like fascists wants to feel persecuted
old stock american
oh so like, descended from the worst most unbearable religious nerds that europe kicked out for being too fuckin weird?
This is part of why we have the problems with evangelicals in the south today. They were fervent fanatical psychos too weird for even the mainstream British.
Unfortunately some of these were my people. Thank God I have my mom's family genes to temper whatever dormant swanp island tendencies I may have.
Why are they calling themselves Orthodox Christians, that's stolen valor
Hey, as someone with pre-revolution roots in West Virginia... Some of our ancestors got here after serving as "cabin boys" on pirate ships before swimming to the Virginia shore and getting as far away from the coast as possible!
In a just world this Euro-larping americhud would be thrown in the gulag until he managed to pronounce the letter Æ correctly.
Also, why can't fascists learn the basic facts about the things they fetichise? He put Greenland in his appeal to Euro patron saints, a country geographically located in North America who has no widely accepted patron saint and whose non-white Inuit population are unrelated to white Europeans who sees them as subhumans.
Meanwhile Belgium, a Catholic country in the heart of European whiteness is missing. He includes the tiny microstates of Liechtenstein, San Marino and the Vatican City but he omits Monaco and Andorra. He includes non-independent territories like the Isle of Man and the Faroe Islands but not Åland. And since he claims to be orthodox, he probably should have included Armenia and Georgia as well.
The whole thing reeks of lazyness and ignorance.
Belgium wasn't an epic medieval kingdom or particularly well-known for their empire Africa, so they aren't cool enough for him
I think Belgium has impeccable imperialist credentials in Africa, they were so genocidal in Congo that other white people thought it was too much.
yeah, but fascists dont really know about actual history, they just look at world war 2 and rome
And since he claims to be orthodox, he probably should have included Armenia and Georgia as well.
That’s the stupidest part of all this, evangelicals have started using “orthodox Christian” to describe themselves. They think it signifies that they follow a traditional/original Christianity, which is hilariously ironic that they claim that while being ignorant to actual orthodoxy.
So these Anglo "orthodox" Christians are not even joining actual orthodox churches? They just think "orthodox" means "anti-woke extra Christian"?
It’s pure branding; they realized that “evangelical” has a negative connotation now, so they switched to “orthodox” because they think people will have a better view of that idea.
I also love the use of æ but then th instead of ð/þ. I don't know the word they're going for to know which letter is correct, but I figure it's meant to be Old English as that's a popular choice for Anglocentric white supremacists who don't understand either history or linguistics.
It's stupid but that's how saxon names are written now, for reference Æthelred II (Old English: Æþelræd,[n 1] pronounced [ˈæðelræːd]; Old Norse: Aðalráðr) or Æthelwulf (Old English: [ˈæðelwuɫf])
(Copied straight from Wikipedia)
"Posting about my fringe white supremacist opinions has so far failed to manifest the ethnostate and tradwife of my dreams. Clearly, the answer is to get even more boutique with it"
It is very telling how much of the younger dudes steeped in white supremacy are single.
Ive always thought fascism partially stems from sexual insecurity.
If you spend more than 5 minutes on 4chan you will learn that a good 90% of their fascist worldview is sexual insecurity.
Yeah I think it's best we not forget that a huge chunk of jim crow was about keeping "black beasts" away from white women (even though the vast majority of black men just wanted equality and could have given a fuck less about white women)
As for 4chan i spent 20 minutes on there one time and immediately saw one of those racist bait meme posts with a young black kid pictured saying something like
"hey cracker how does it feel I get more money and white pussy than you all day"
Trying to goad their sexual and financial insecurity.
God that site is a shithole
Speaking from personal experience, being young and chronically sexually frustrated can really fuck with you and our culture is dogshit at dealing with that situation. There are few voices or there giving a positive, helpful or hopeful message to these people. Instead there's a plethora of the most vile and toxic people alive giving them a false sense of supremacy and victimhood by filling them with racism, misogyny and straight up fascism.
Of course there is a chicken and egg kind of situation going on. Sexual frustration can make you vulnerable to nasty beliefs but obviously being an incel and acting in a manner that is repulsive to other people is only going to make that sexual frustration worse. And the two things doesn't necessarily have to go together, you can be sexually frustrated without being an asshole and you can be a reactionary piece of shit and still have sexual partners.
I don't know what the correct way of dealing with these young people is. But I'm kind of wary about using sexual frustration as an insult. On the one hand it is arguably funny as it is obviously a big insecurity for the fash but on the other hand it perpetuates a form of toxic masculinity in which sexual conquests (just typing that phrase makes me cringe) is a prerequisite for being a "real man" whereas sexual "failure" is something to be ashamed of. Also, making fun of sexual frustration is certainly not an inviting and inclusive gesture to insecure young people who have not found out how to form that kind of relations yet.
language minutiae that can be ignored
But I'm kind of weary about
you might have intended to mean tired here but just in case, consider "wary" which has more of a cautionary feel, as in beware
It's why their biggest fear is "third worlders" coming to rape and pillage the white women they believe are "theirs".
Sexual insecurity
I recently found out I have an ancestor who came over on the mayflower. My initial reaction was "damn, I'm descended from first generation colonizers"
After my grandparents died, we found a family tree in my grandpa's stuff showing that some of his ancestors emigrated way earlier than any of us assumed. My first thought was, "why on earth didn't he ever share this with any of his history nerd family members?" My second thought was "it would be HILARIOUS if I could join the DAR."
Yeah I could technically join the sons of the American revolution but God would I not suffer being around so many boomers.
Fuck no dude, there's no way.
Yeah, I never looked into it for the same reason. The thought of me being in the DAR is still funny to me, but the thought of actually spending time with the kind of people who join the DAR sound ms absolutely miserable.
Yeah it definitely happens. I honestly think it's cool, but in the end it doesn't matter and doesn't make me better than anyone or more deserving of living here lol.
"take back what rightfully belongs to you"
I'm going to break into the British museum and take back the things stolen by nonces
English flag in bio
Welsh flag in bio
Also,
Patron saints of Europe Pray for the European peoples AWAKE AND RAISE! Take back what rightfully belongs to you.
Welsh flag, English flag
Dewi Sant's miracle was getting God to help the Welsh kill English better.
Yeah it would be hilarious to any scot or welshmen trying to lump them with the english.
But the welsh were one of the first people from Britain along with the english to emigrate to America.
So often these people venerate them, not quite as much as they love the english, but they definitely venerate the welsh as part of the "old stock"
Good. They need to fracture and get back to making racist tier lists of white people.
Since 2021, Tucker Carlson has used the phrase "legacy americans" to refer to white people. He uses this phrase to promote "the great replacement" white supremacist conspiracy theory.
Just like in software development where legacy code is obsolete crap that is a pain in the ass to deal with but that you have to put up with because replacing it would be too difficult.
not least since more land meant not only more slaves to sell but an attractive enticement to dangle before potential settlers, who were so necessary to overwhelm these same Africans and indigenes. Land grants, along with a complement of rights celebrated later as an emblem of the Enlightenment, were akin to offering a material incentive—“combat pay”—to a soldier about to enter a war zone, which is what a good deal of the settlements were at that juncture and for a considerable time thereafter.
(Counter Revolution of 1776)
I love the Gerald Horne thesis that the main goal of bringing white farmers to the colonies was to use them as padding against slave insurrection.
since the 1690s
I had no idea it was possible to trace one's family that far back unless you're some kind of royalty or aristocrat.
It can happen if they literally just posted up somewhere and haven't left. Gets hard to keep track if the family branches off and moves around though.
Yeah my family was nothing special (I think my first ancestor over here was a blacksmith lol) I am lucky in that they were scotch irish and fervent presbyterians and early church records are some of the best ways to trace your ancestry.
Scots-Irish. Scotch is a drink. Unless you mean they were Irish but loved Scottish whisky.
Yeah I've seen it said before. Just in america scotch is often used, so I'm used to using that terminology.
fair, and of course it could be argued that that usage is common enough in America that it's valid American-English.
But if you go to Ireland or especially Scotland, and talk about Scotch-Irish, people will either mock you openly or keep it politely to themselves and silently judge you ;). All they'll hear is "I'm whisky-Irish".
Or you come from a country with records. I have ancestry traced back that far, and not an aristocrat among them.
It's actually really easy. Familysearch.com or Findagrave.com are decent resources
As I said other people have often already done the work for you too. With sources and everything
Depends on the records kept by the family. Late 1690s, early early 1700s is fairly easy if records were kept and is not all that far fetched. I'm fortunate in that my family were indeed "old stock" and the records in that regard are fairly easy to find. As long as you're willing to do the research (and quite often other people have already done it for you i.e visited cemtaries and looked at early church records)
The most I've found is stuff from 100 years ago but it's spotty at best. Further back gets difficult because of that.
Mind you, often when people talk about tracing family back to that era or even earlier, it doesn’t mean that they have a full tree with every relative listed out. It means they found one path up the tree that leads back to an ancestor with a well-documented lineage.
1650s here on the paternal side. Ancestor was a contracted farmworker when he immigrated. The last name is fairly uncommon, which makes tracing the history easier.
There's lots of places that have surviving records of births, marriages and deaths of commoners stretching that far back and often further than that. For instance most Icelanders have genealogical records dating back to the settlement of Iceland in the early middle age.
Also, the longer back you go, the sheer number of ancestors means that the likelihood increases of one of them being a nobleman whose genealogy would be much better documented than that of a peasant.
When your family line is a bunch of bhen-chods its easy to keep track of your lineage.
The rare actual WASP, or so they'll profess over the internet. These dumbasses always had some sus shit going on in some flavor but the internet gives them an infusion of extra "what the hell is wrong with you"
