It's funny also how his idealized ancap society is a beaurocratic nightmare, in addition to charging you a subscription to the law.

  • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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    4 months ago

    This is what happens when you think the free market isn't propped up and created by the state

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Ancapism can easily be defeated when you point out that their oh so precious corporations they want to directly rule us with regularly betray their own free market principles when the moment suits them.

      • Tariffs. "Protectionism but it's ok because it's for the rich!"

      • IP laws and the way they are selectively enforced.

      • Capital regularly "unionizes" too, business owners know that they are one class and regularly try to cooperate instead of compete.

      • Certain NIMBY laws and zoning. "You see we HAVE to stop building the more profitable infrastructure that's dense and walkable because muh property valyooz! Plus we can stuff the poors in cars they can't afford!"

  • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    "Bad news, detective. We got a situation."

    "What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?"

    "Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins."

    The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. "What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?"

    "Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so."

    "Easy, chief," I said. "Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair."

  • Sickos [they/them, it/its]
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    4 months ago

    Alright, so all of us get together, of our own accord, and get a lot of guns. And then we take everything we want, and distribute it through some fair system, say, from each according to their ability to each according to their need. And we defend this construct with violence. Lots of violence. But we say it's totally not a state, just a mutually agreed upon construct. Surely the ancaps would be on board, right?

  • Owl [he/him]
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    4 months ago

    I like how ancap ideology poses itself as opposed to existing governments, yet also permits everything including those governments. It's the perfect ideology for a frictionless spherical mind.

  • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    "Having reviewed the facts of the case, I rule in favor of the Defendant on the grounds that the Plaintiff's failure to protect her own property constitutes a willing forfeiture of said property. As such, neither insurance company will be required to pay out any money, and since no crime was actually committed, the Plaintiff will be required to cover all legal fees incurred by all involved parties."

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    4 months ago

    I always wonder, how do ancaps plan to administer a change to their proposed system? Through elections? Through revolution? What happens to existing billionaires when we go ancap? Do they just keep their wealth? What happens to everyone in prison? Let go because it was under the old corrupt system? Is school abolished along with the age of consent?

    • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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      4 months ago

      Like most idealistic fantasies, they seem to think that if they can just get enough people to support their idea, it will manifest entirely on its own without any need for direct action. The idea that the people who benefit from the system as it is opposing a new system where they won't benefit is completely incomprehensible to them.

    • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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      4 months ago

      The ones who really want it to happen usually think it'll come about after some great calamity, in the modern day after nuclear war and civilizational collapse. Otherwise they think it'll just be a mass vibe shift

      • keepcarrot [she/her]
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        4 months ago

        mass vibe shift

        Whenever I ask about this, they're usually pre-occupied with everyone following the ancap's specific rules rather than whether anyone would be motivated to do or believe in those rules.

    • naom3 [she/her]
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      4 months ago

      I always wonder, how do ancaps plan to administer a change to their proposed system? Through elections? Through revolution?

      You’re presuming a level of foresight and connection to reality that’s not present for most ancaps. All the ones who actually think about this sort of stuff tend to just be neoliberals

      What happens to existing billionaires when we go ancap? Do they just keep their wealth?

      Of course. Billionaires are good and if any aren’t then just do more free market stuff

      What happens to everyone in prison? Let go because it was under the old corrupt system?

      us-foreign-policy probably

      Is school abolished along with the age of consent?

      It’s cute you even have to ask

      • barrbaric [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        You’re presuming a level of foresight and connection to reality that’s not present for most ancaps. All the ones who actually think about this sort of stuff tend to just be neoliberals

        Oh I know, it's just fascinating to me that someone could have relatively radical political views but simultaneously not have any theory for how to actually execute those political views.

    • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      My experiences with AnCaps, I honestly think most of them are doing a bit. Like I think politically they're actually just regular Libertarians but they crank it up to 11 to get a rise out of people. They are aware their ideas are bologna, but they're hoping by advocating for it hard enough they'll achieve their actual goal, a society where the central government is weak enough that you can marry multiple of your under-aged nieces and smoke homemade meth in your unlicensed car.

      Honestly idk why these AnCaps just don't move to Idaho, their utopia already exists.

  • NuraShiny [any]
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    4 months ago

    I simply pay all the agencies to protect me, then rob everyone of their property and win at Ancapitalism.

    These people are so deeply stupid and unserious. You only come up with shit like this if you never had an actual problem in your life.

  • HelluvaBottomCarter [comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    If you think court fees are steep now wait until You have two billion-dollar security companies duking it out on your dime and then you have to rent a courtroom and hire an arbitration service on top of lawyers.

  • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    I think its a great idea to live in a system where literally any conflict could devolve into a war between to private security firms, but its okay because we have for profit courts which would obviously work perfectly

  • Tabitha ☢️[she/her]
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    4 months ago

    the only property ADT is going to be able to seize from me is the bag of hamburgers I stole from mr ancap, the rest of it is encrypted metaverse synthetic estate speculative futures NFTs hidden in shadow wallet derivatives only I know the assphrase for

  • Wheaties [she/her]
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    4 months ago

    what if instead of a state, we had multiple slightly smaller redundant states all competing to fine you the most while also attempting to offload as much responsibility as possible onto each other and you

  • volcel_olive_oil [he/him]
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    4 months ago

    I love how ancap ideology gets completely exploded when you ask if people can team up

    "to avoid the enormous costs of war" lmao one cartel will already have gone to war previously in order to attain absolute supremacy and Marie has no choice of security provider as everything has now been rigged to benefit a small group of elites who run the cartel. Walker robbed Marie because that's his job.