- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@sh.itjust.works
- globalnews@lemmy.zip
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851
Archived version: https://archive.ph/yDjTx
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/
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Learn how federation works
I think they know quite well how it works, and hexbear. Hence the comment.
If they understood it then either they are a conspiracy theorist or they wouldn't call it a "brigade"
Yet they say,
Learn how defederation works
This is just a silly "no u". We're federated, not defederated, so one is relevant and not the other at the moment.
Do you think you'll stay federated?
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do you even know who runs your instance and makes those decisions?
If they're going to be that stupid I'm not staying on the instance
go to lemmy.world loser
You are welcome to defederate yourself
Your leader likes defenestrating people
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Lemmy dot world is always there if you want an instance that defederates from leftists and federates with your "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" types.
Hexbear has been using Lemmy for years, technical issues around our active user count and having to rely on volunteer labour means we were only able to federate recently.
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Defend genocide? Please elaborate. We definitely do not support the NATO led genocides of the third world
Behold he politics understander and one true leftist
epic le comeback redditorino
Yep, and choosing who to federate with is part of it. GTFO.
Then go make your own private instance where you can federate with whoever you want and keep the mean old tankies out
Mask off already? Damn, that's kind of against the rules
What mask? I'm an ML and have never claimed otherwise on this account or its alts on any instance.
And being an ML isn't against the rules, so don't bog down our dear admins with superfluous reports.
"Tankies are bad."
Do you believe that that because you genuinely believe that capitalist nations like the United States and Russia are doing good things for the world, while "tankie" countries like Cuba and China are doing bad things for the world? Or do you believe that because you have been tricked by 100 years of racist propaganda that says socialists like Fidel Castro, Albert Einstein, and Martin Luther King were subhuman scum?
lmao How many times has that worked on anyone, honestly? Like I'm just gonna wake up one day and say, "yeah, you know what, my entire worldview has been shattered by @KurtVonnegut@hexbear.net whispering sweet commie propaganda in my ear"
Idk why you are all on stuck on the tankie shit like it matters that much to me. Like I said previously, I don't have a problem with the Christians for being Christian, but just like you tankies, the fandom is weird, intense and circlejerky af
IDK man. You're basically saying "Why are you stuck on that environmentalist shit? It doesn't matter to me. Go worry about climate change somewhere else, stop bothering me."
My brother in christ. Climate change will affect you whether you want it to or not. Capitalism will affect you whether you want it to or not. You can't just be "out" of it. You can't not take a side in whether the earth gets destroyed or not (environmentalism) or whether 90% of the world's population is plunged into neo-feudal slavery. You're either with the slave-owners or against them. You gotta pick a side!
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Known capitalist evil practices do not absolve tankies of wanting to impose communism by force.
You use the term "racist propaganda" interchangeably as anti-socialist propaganda...as if the only victims of capitalism were the victims of racism.
Who calls MLK and Einstein scum? Maybe Fidel was called that by right-wingers during the Cold War. Why did you mix and match those 3? Why not Emma Goldman or Gorbachev, if you're just naming random socialists (I'm not even sure MLK ever explicitly considered himself a socialist).
Well then.
"I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Today, capitalism has out-lived its usefulness." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism." - Martin Luther King Jr.
"If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell." - Martin Luther King Jr.
(from https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/01/21/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-martin-luther-king-jr)
It says a lot about the education system wherever you come from that you never learned MLK was a socialist. He HATED capitalism! Hated it! Also, the scientist Albert Einstein was a prominent socialist who wrote a famous article, "Why socialism?" explaining in detail why he was a socialist. Einstein and MLK believed in the same anti-capitalist struggle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Socialism%3F
Good, as long as you're not a Brezhnevian tankie, it's all good.
Lemme go get my white grocery bags
ok he walked off and the tanks kept going? what are you saying? have you even seen the whole video
Bruh, it was a throwaway reply just like that stupid meme. What are you even replying to looking for a meaningful argument, honestly
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we're communists, jan
You don't say! I would've been clueless like walking into a room full of vegans
Jokes on you lib,
too
of course
we're all vegan and we're coming to burn down your farms
This site is significantly vegan to the point where there is cw on pics of food from animals.
please show us this rule
I present you the side bar ->
is the "no tankie" rule in the room with us right now?
Nee help reading? I'll spell it out: P-R-O...
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Oh sure 😂
They sure as hell aren't gonna misread the comment sections now
What's hilarious is that you think your mods are on your side in this fight. Why did you think they invited us here?
You've been here for two months. You don't know what the history of the website is. You don't know the character of its administrators. I've got a secret for you: they're leftists like us. In fact the whole lemmyverse was created by Marxist-Lenninists. This must be the very first time you've ventured out of your information bubble. Welcome. We're going to bully the shit out of you until you can behave amicably. Did you think you could just show up to someone else's community and start acting like you owned the place? There will be no eternal september here.
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Then fucking check yourself, liberal. When you abuse the word 'genocide' you diminish it. You are doing the work of the nazis in making what they did (and this is what the westerner thinks of when they use the word genocide) seem no worse than the things you apply the label to in your cynicism or ignorance. And this was their literal strategy. Google "the double holocaust myth". When they were still in uniform they applied this strategy to the USSR (which could be one of the examples you're vagueposting at me over). You will find, if you dig into that search, documentation by Jewish hate watch groups to that effect.
I fucking mind genocide denial as much as you pretend to. So knock it the fuck off.
And go fuck yourself for calling me that.
You don't know what leftism or genocide is
If you think Russia isn't going genocide then you can't be helped
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Duh, and somehow irrelevant, but nice try
I'm not gonna let some scumbag tell me to leave. Federating with you all has made this site worse and we'll see how well this goes. This is not a "me" problem, but a "you bunch of scumbags" problem.
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What a fever dream. TL;DR?
"Scumbag"= "Anyone who is opposed to me, the main character of reality"
"Scumbag" = "Shitheads looking someone to pile on and shit on because they said something the horde didn't like"
Sorry, I forgot I'm supposed to be the NPC here and lay on the floor soaking punches for your pleasure
Fucking scumbag
Wandering into a communist website and refusing to leave lmao have fun baby
Lmfao I don't think you guys get it. I'm not against communism 😂 This isn't politics. But just like with the Christians, I having trouble with the fucking fandom right now. JFC you all are awful in every way. Funny because I keep getting called a Redditor for some reason and yet you all reply just like them.
When everyone you meet is a scumbag, maybe it's not us, maybe it's you?
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the lemmy.ml admins like us lol
You got me there! I admit that I absolutely did not read that stupid AMA
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" 😂" does not fool anyone in the year 2023, everyone knows "😂" means
I actually dont can you tell me lol
Imagine emojis having different meanings outside your circlejerk. It's hard to imagine the world outside, huh
Yeah to be fair it can also mean
Yep, in your bubble, but if you step outside some time...
I guess I should switch servers then
If you make your own instance, you can curate your own whitelist
Huh??? Did you make that choice?
Someone who can will in a minute, if y'all keep this up. I'm not worried.
My man here thinks he's still on reddit.
Umm, I don't think you realize how the fediverse has panned out in the last year, but go off with your lame attempts at an insult
Ooh, watch yourself with those sharp emojis, you might just dismember someone online with those
Pointing right back at'cha
Lemmygrad was the federated instance in the last year lmao
we've been on lemmy for 3 years. when did you join again?
Damn, the threshold for responding with your teenage dreams as an emote keeps getting lower and lower. You wish I was that upset lol
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Whatever that means, you first
🌽 🌽
I love watching a good spitroast
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Brigading is whenever a Hexbear user uses the site like literally everybody else that got here.
Brigading is when you federate and use the federation
what happened to
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Never heard of hexbear but why does an instance that claims to be leftist use Trump memes and back Russia?
Trump is funny. Obviously. Terrible but hilarious. We don't back Russia we just understand NATO to generally be far more destructive and deadly. That's just old Tom Bombadilaros thoughts.
That's so dumb... To consider a defensive alliance more destructive and deadly that a corrupt state waging a war of expansion
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A defence of what? The people who invented global warming? Nah, hard pass.
Sure it's defensive, I just wish the people it's defending were attacked more
Hell yeah brother we defended the shit out of Libya
A Defensive alliance made up of all the great colonial powers.
Defensive alliance that bombs every third world country that dares to go against the interests of the imperial core? Who are they "defending again?
Also how much has NATO expanded since the end of the cold war with its mafia protection racket style tactics in Europe?
NATO is defensive? lol, lmao
That's Ukraine, it used to be considered the most corrupt place in Europe by the Western media right until February 2022
That's also Ukraine since they're trying to take territory from the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics after they declared independence following the coup against Viktor Yanukovych in 2014
"That's so dumb, to consider a defensive alliance with the Serbian Black Hand more destructive and deadly than the Central Power's Imperialism waging a war of expansion" -Average Allied Nations Second International Member, 1914
Serbia, Libya, and Afghanistan were all defensive operations.
this is why we support Russia (Donbass to be Precise ) , this is also why Propagnda does not only happens to "other people" Mr. @Revanee@lemmy.one
A military alliance of several superpower nations VS one angry revanchist state. Who's more dangerous?
Russia - starts wars and threatens nuclear holocaust - you sleep
NATO - literally just exists - you wake
Russia's #1 export is troll farms and that's why Russia is the most hated country in the world. Y'all just give people more reason to hate Russia.
How many millions of civilians were murdered/killed/starved/driven from their homes/displaced by American and NATO led imperialist wars such as the bombing of Yugoslavia, the invasion of Afghanistan, the bombing of Libya, or Isr*el's genocidal occupation of Palestine, which is proudly supported by the US and NATO?
Fewer than Russia but you LOVE when Russia does it.
You honestly think less civilians were killed in all those things COMBINED than by Russia? Really? That's actually one of the most wild liberal claims I've ever seen, and thats saying something. You've lost attachment to reality.
Prove me wrong. If you can't, well of course you're a troll farm and you're part of the reason Russia has a reputation as the shitstain of the world.
Show me the numbers, liberal. Post your source for that wild claim.
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You ignorant gnome. We hate Russsia more than you. Russia is the liberal democratic nation built by the US from the corpse of our comunist forebears. I'd ask if you ever read a history book but your Midwest tag proves the only ones you got were written by Haliburton so it isn't your fault you are the way you are. If I wver visit your region I must try to trap you I in a circle of salt and force you to actually read some theory.
Russia is not liberal or democratic. It is a corrupt capitalist oligarchy/dictatorship with limited human rights. It was built by the US from the corpse of the USSR.
Y'all claim to hate Russia but also spend a suspicious amount of time defending it.
Also, just do a quick browse of midwest.social vs hexbear. Your instance acts and talks like 4chan or the_donald.
Is it an actual book or is it wojak spam, because I love reading but your wojak spam is insufferable.
Literally just existing, chilling, sprinkling unexploded cluster bombs throughout the country side for Ukrainian children to step on for generations to come, vibing.
dog how can you be this clueless about NATO and still have such a strong opinion lmao
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/1052756
the idea of NATO "just existing" is a straight up rejection of history
HOLLLLLYYYY FUCCCKKKIIIINNNNGGG SHIIIIIIIITTTTTT
We also use Hillary Clinton and Biden memes, doesn't mean we support them lmao.
Ever heard of this thing called "irony"? Might be worth checking out
Because Russia is the same as America in pretty much every way. So it is fascist infighting. Trump is also the same as pretty much the same as every other president. Liberals just hate him for idiosyncratic reasons. So it is funny
Russia is America's every bad quality dialed up to 12 on steroids. Russia actually manages to make America look good, that's just what a steaming pile of garbage Russia is. The bar is so low even America can get over it.
NATO - starts wars and keeps the meat grinder rolling all in the furtherance of capitalist dogma - you sleep
Russia - literally just exists - you wake
NATO’s #1 export is war and that's why NATO is hated around the world. Y'all just give people more reason to hate NATO.
Russia starting a war with 350,000 casualties and threatening to nuke the West is not literally just existing. If Russia wanted to literally just exist, they never would have literally invaded another country while lying about "training exercises".
You're pro-Russian terrorism, it's not a good look.
NATO encircled a world power and for the last couple decades have worked to instigate a war that has led to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people on the gamble that Russia would fall and allow the west to loot the country, exactly as they plan to loot a war torn Ukraine. For capitalism.
You’re pro-NATO terrorism, it’s not a good look.
That's pure speculation.
You literally have to create a fantasy about NATO doing something in the future to justify Russia actually doing evil things right now.
Being pro imaginary terrorism is way better than being pro real terrorism.
federation isn't brigading. a post shows up in our feeds, we click on it and comment because helping people dodge the draft is cool and good. We're one of the largest instances, and the consensus we have on issues like "conscription is bad" should not be taken as coordination on the part of hexbear users. If we did deliberately coordinate we'd all link you clowns to the thread where we did it because it would be funny.
Brigading is when a post shows up in your all tab and you comment on it
Propaganda is when you say the same thing Reuters, CNN, WSJ, etc are all saying about draft corruption in Ukraine lol
Actually mediabiasfactcheck.org says that Reuters is highly objective!
Zero pinnochios! That sounds very trust worthy!
I'm just here to laugh at bazinga dorks crying for mods
we've been doing lemmy shit for 3 years, youre brigading
Every wonder why this kind of liberal belief never just naturally develops in new communities like ours? Notice how they always have to insert themselves from outside and takeover modding to have any relevance? Yeah, that.
Idk if "commenting on a post from another instance that showed up in my feed because the instance I use is federated with that instance" is brigading.
No you dont understand, if I dont want you here then youre a PEST whose ATTACKING ME so you need to leave, mkay?
Very cool that the moment someone says "brigading" I can look at their profile and see, yup they joined in June. Wonder why that is 🤔
The wild canuck rages, for it has no values or culture to share
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If you're so eager to defend a military conscription/draft, why don't you go and fight on the frontline yourself? This whole article is about Zelenskyy cracking down on Ukrainian citizens avoiding the conscription because they don't want to be sent into the meat grinder that is the heavily fortified front lines.
It's always those that face the least consequences from war that are the most eager for it to continue.
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the specter of stalins floating spoon haunts us to this day
If you feel more comfortable in your bubble go back to it
Oh man, that brings me back to the days when r/cth used to brigade other subs. Those were the times.
Never thought I'd live long enough to see it again...
The best part was that it was always just the fact we were all terminally online and saw the same frontpage threads as everyone else. It was (almost) never an actual brigade, just the result of having a bunch of very active posters with better politics than the average redditor. That's all it took to make the worst people on reddit
over being unable to consistently silence people with better opinions than their own.
Uh yeah... I'm thinvking it's hexbear time
Who's Hexbear?
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I just looked, and I think it'd be more accurate to call it a Neo-Bolshevik cesspit.
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I know. They like to spread dangerous misinformation that helps Russia and Trump take over the world. It sucks. I wish we had an instance just for us anti-authoritarians.
Sounds like Tommy Needy Drinky.
And it's better than yours
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Hexbear users rushing to bombard this comment with image reactions to say they're not brigading
Are hexbear users in this room right now?
no
cap
You act like whining about other people being on the same website as you isn't incredibly toxic behavior that deserves to be bullied.
Hexbear has been on Lemmy longer than 99% of instances. Unfortunately we were only able to enable federation recently due to technical issues.
So how are hexbear users the brigaders? Using your logic, you are the brigaders lol.
You're exactly correct! Lmao
I play "count the fallacies" with the comments. So far I've seen: ad homonim; what-about-ism; strawman ; appeal to popularity ; appeal to authority ; hasty generalization / ecological fallacy
I get bored well before I stop counting
God y'all really can't help yourself with the debatelord shit huh?
this is a pee pee poo poo fallacy actually
Lol I don't even bother with reading anything they say at all. I just block anyone who's on Hexbear, I must have half the instance blocked. And my experience browsing Lemmy has been so much better for it!
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GOD i hate these STUPID hexbears SO much it makes my SKIN crawl... Sure hope they're not reading this thread and brigading you.. Eek!
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Spoken like somebody who is definitely not mad.
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Definitely, definitely not. mad.
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You came out the gate with big mad tantrum insults, and now you expect people to have a dialogue with you?
You were never interested in "trying to have a conversation"
“Everyone knows that the left and the right are the same and that the REASONABLE MODERATE CENTER is best! Right? Right? It’s not as though Biden is a war criminal rapist segregationist and virtually the twin brother of Trump, right? America might have some problems (ongoing slavery, genocide, imperialism, civilizational suicide via climate change) but it’s still overall a force for good, right????”
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lol what
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I’m frightened to ask about what their positions are on any policy at all. Let me guess: do what amerikkka says or your are helping putler. That kind of “marxist”?
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“I reject them both” = i luv amerikkka
It’s really amazing. “I reject them both, but very curiously I only criticize one. Why could that be?“🤔
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Your assumption that Ukraine is an independent country is already an implicit endorsement of American imperialism and slavery. Ukraine has not been independent since the Maidan Coup in 2014. There are recordings of Victoria Nuland confirming this; to deny it means that you are living in a fantasy realm, one paid for with the blood of slaves in the global south. And when you recognize that American imperialism and settler colonialism is a boot on the neck of the global south, you likewise understand that anyone fighting it deserves our critical support, even if they are not angels. Besides, even if everything liberals say about Russia is true, the Iraq War alone is and was a far greater crime than anything [the liberal Harry Potter-esque fantasy of] Putin could dream of. And besides, wasn’t the modern nation state of Russia created by American liberals in the first place? How much money did Clinton give Yeltsin in the 1990s?
I get that you guys love seeing trump do stupid shit and abuse his power as president, because it vindicates your view of the US government, but still, the asshole that tells his fans to harass people and shits on rule of law is objectively worse than the ones who didn't, please. I thought one of hexbear's redeeming qualities was at least anti-homophobia, anti-misogyny, etc. This whole "trump is no worse than anyone else" is just crypto-trumpism and one example of why you guys are accused of being the lefty version of MAGAts.
Roe v. Wade was undone and LGBTQ+ rights are collapsing with Biden and the Democrats running the country. Biden also regularly sends the police to deport and/or imprison anyone who isn’t white. Nobody loves or funds the 100% nazi police more than Biden; Biden has actually signed MORE drilling permits than Trump. Biden and Trump are fascists, as are you for excusing them.
Hexbear User here: where did you see people claim Putin's Russia being a bastion of leftism?
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I'm going to let someone more educated on the geopolitics involved handle the rest of this (hopefully someone will) but i really want to zero in on this because.
there are like, 2 cishet people on all of Hexbear. Its like the most queer space on the internet thats not explicitly only for queer people.. It is AGRESSIVLY pro-trans, and purged the slightest hints of transphobia in its early days. The admin team is 100% queer i'm pretty sure.
We think the oppression of queer people in Russia is bad. Whatever support an individual Hexbear has for Russia, its not for Putin's regime or the Russian government. It is, as you yourself say, opposition to NATO. Again, I'm not going to get into the why of that, but please don't imply that we support the Russian government's oppression of queer people.
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What do you think critical support means?
If that's really true, you may well be the most sheltered person on earth.
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Spare me the self-righteousness, if "the people I was rude too were rude back to me" is something you can describe as "the most unsafe space I have ever encountered" without feeling deeply embarrassed, then you have no business trying to pontificate about what actually marginalised people endure. No amount of cope about how you're totally definitely not big mad, but your girlfriend in Canada is, will change that.
So you didn't know what it meant, but you used it to insult someone anyway?
It means support from a place of criticism, in the sense of "I don't agree with them in general, but align on certain things".
Look, I'll back up a bit and try to be more sincere here. There are three points I would like you to consider. The first is that your own behaviour has not exactly been free of toxicity. The second is that we on hexbear are used to liberals coming in with naked bad faith hostility, so we've, unfortunately fallen to the habit of responding in kind. This leads into my third point; the hostility you describe sounds basically like the bog standard normal that I've experienced when trying to converse in mainstream liberal spaces; Hexbear is one of the few spaces where I'm not showered with abuse for the crime of having a political alignment outside the overton window of a country I'm not even from.
Sounds like someone else has already explained the critical support thing to you, I didnt really understand the term at first either and English IS my first language, so I actually understand this one.
I hope you can see that my comrade's defensive stance is because of past experiances and not anything personal.
I actually dont disagree that people here sometimes make unfair assumptions about the person they're talking to. I remember the human and understand where they're coming from and why that assume that though (past experiences with people who are like that). I wish my friends would try to remember the human more too, but I get why they can forget because of their experiences. I hope that makes sense.
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I can actually understand all that very well. Sorry about your negative experience
I do want to mention one thing though
Our "weaponized anger" is quiet frequently used in defense of minority groups, particularly trans people. She's gone now but one of our original admins, TransComrade69, was militantly defensive of trans people and it really shaped how our community formed. We also do our best to do the same for other queer people, bipoc, the disabled and nuerodiverse, women, the poor, and (most relevant to the arguments we get into here) people from the global south.
But I actually do understand how our community's stance can be offputting for some people and wouldnt recommend it to just anyone, even leftists.
I've been interacting with them recently to see what they are all about and lmao I don't think I've ever had a dumber discussion in my life. Truly they are uniquely stupid.
"Opposing military conscription is stupid" and other hot takes from westerners that have never had to fight a war at home.
How is it stupid to oppose Zelenskyy's suicidal conscription polices? It makes Russia's mobilisation/conscription look pacifist by comparison.
If you pop into that users history, you'll see that the interacting they're talking about is whining at me for a couple of days because I called them a racist.
Not really. You just use the word 'racist' as a general insult to people who disagree with you. I don't really take it as an offense since it means nothing in that context, but using the word 'racist' ignoring its actual meaning is problematic.
How do you not understand how using a racial slur to insult someone is racist?
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There is a history of mongrel being used as a racial slur, you chose to ignore the evidence of that I showed you so you could pretend to be a victim.
What are you proposing should happen in Ukraine?
Negotiations? It's clear after the attempt at a "counter offensive" that Ukraine do not have the ability to gain any significant territory, and they are just throwing lives and equipment into a void of mines and trenches. And Ukraine is not going to gain the ability to break though these fortifications anytime soon, I cannot see western nations giving Ukraine the weaponry required (an air force is the main missing component needed for NATO style combined arms tactics to function).
Unless Ukraine can find a way to convince western nations to give them the equipment required to make breakthroughs (very unlikely), they are stuck in an attrition war with Russia. And I don't see any path to victory in an attrition war against Russia. The article we are commenting on is one of the major reasons why, they're having to fire people just to get more conscripts. At that point, negotiation is the best possible outcome.
Surrender. War crimes tribunals. Re-education. The rebirth of the USSR. We aren’t asking for much.
Ooookay.
The same will happen one day in the USA, just like in China and Vietnam 😉
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Comparing Hilter to Putin is tantamount to holocaust denial.
Putin is a bad man but they aren't anywhere near to the same level.
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The Holocaust.
Generalizing Russians and instead of Putin's regime AND calling them stupid. Not racist at all.
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You didn't say Putin's regime, you said Russians. Look who's leaving shit out now?
And idk how to tell you this but scale matters.
Good to see the mods aren't tolerating your Holocaust denial.
imagine being a grown ass adult and taking the time to write this comment
My cats have learned the wirr motor sound of the feeder means food. So they'll run from whereever in the house at an motor sound. Suddenly like "it's food time right? Right? But the noise means food...." Regardless of any further context.
Same same but different with hexbear.