this is an unmitigated disaster for the dems
Bad take, Biden won the debate by virtue of the fact that he didn't totally fuck it up.
That shows how low the bar is for him with libs. He spent more time defending his son, talking about how pro-cop he is, the suburbs and trying to appeal to Republicans.
talking about how pro-cop he is
He actually did a decent job not falling into the "Oh yeah, pal? I'm more law and order than you!" trap.
What he said was that most cops are decent people, that they don't want to kill innocent people, and that bad apples should be brought to justice. The first two points are bullshit, but libs will nod along with them. The last point is something everyone but Blue Lives Matter fascists should agree with (even if they disagree on what constitutes a bad apple). He also didn't back away from the "fundamentally reshaping policing" line and even went into a little detail on what that might look like.
Of course none of what he says will happen because him just saying it doesn't mean he believes it, but from a retail politics "who won the debate?" framework he was surprisingly competent there.
Of course none of what he says will happen because him just saying it doesn’t mean he believes it, but from a retail politics “who won the debate?” framework he was surprisingly competent there.
He was getting destroyed by Trump all night long who was even attacking him from the left. This is the author of the 1994 crime bill. No one except libs believe he really is going to do anything about police brutality. Trump made him look like the senile old moron he really is.
Biden is the antifa communist revolutionary author of the 1994 crime bill, who hates police & is extremely racist, but will also lose the radical left because he's too much of a law-and-order guy who is controlled by Bernie Sanders.
Undecideds don’t give a rats ass about a three decade old crime bill. Not everyone is a online weirdo.
Exactly. Your average swing voter couldn't give less of fuck about the 1994 crime bill, and I'd bet more than half of the electorate lack the context to even understand why it was a bad thing, much less see it as a reason to not vote for Biden.
More than half of the electorate is unable to vote because of that bill, more like.
No one except libs believe he really is going to do anything about police brutality.
And who is Biden’s base?
What base? I don't see any signs for Biden out in real life or know anyone who wants to vote for him. The only people into him I see, are libs online and they don't really count. On the other hand, I see far more support for Trump this time around than I did in all of 2016. Biden don't have much of base. Clinton at least had her cult followers back in 2016.
Biden will get 100 million votes or about however much Hillary got. That's his base.
What you're talking about is voter enthusiasm. Biden lacks it, and it's usually important (although it might be less important now, see "vote blue no matter who"), but lacking it doesn't mean you don't have a base.
You must live in a bubble, I live in south Carolina, and I see plenty of Biden signs everywhere
Nah it's that Trump set the expectations for Biden so low that all he needed to do was not look like he had dementia.
Lol Trump destroyed him for sure. Tomorrow at work, that's all I will hear about from my coworkers. They already talk about how much Biden sucks, but that just solidified it.
I really don't think this changed anything.
https://twitter.com/SeanMcCarthyCom/status/1311145428180766720?s=19
Even my Trump supporting work acquaintances in the group chat thought Trump did really poorly tonight
If they weren't thinking about voting for Biden before the debate it's not that big of a deal
imo he fucked it up, especially early on in the debate.
this isnt about convincing undecideds. there are almost no people in america torn between trump and biden. there are people torn between voting for one of them or not voting at all. who did biden inspire to come out?
I mostly just think nothing changed, the people who weren't going to vote for Bidens minds were never going to be changed.
he really didn't. trump controlled the entire narrative of the debate. biden definitely was better the second half of the debate than the first, for sure, but biden didnt really hit trump on anything.
It's really not. Normal people (not terminally-online leftists like us) aren't coming into this nitpicking everything Biden says.
Exactly. Normies just want to see that Biden is a normal capable person. We don't like either of them....but as long as he isn't slurring his speech and he's putting full sentences together its a win.
He did say stuff like "America should have net zero energy" (when he meant to say "emissions") under his plan and many other sentences where the second half was disconnected from the first, but he didn't shit the bed. IMO Trump won on points, but there was no knockout so Biden's overall position won't shift.
I thought he said net zero from energy by 2035, meaning net zero emissions specifically from energy production, as opposed to net zero including cars and manufacturing and shit.
Ah, that makes sense - I could have missed the "from". The whole debate was them talking over each other, so long policy statements were harder to follow.
I misheard a part where Biden said “something something that’s number one. Number two, number three” and Trump butted in “no you’re on number two”. I thought trump had said “no you’re a number two” calling him a poop and I was like wtf even for Trump that’s hysterically childish
I don't think any voters walked away with a worse impression of Biden
Real life has different incentives for interpersonal relationships than the internet which rewards sociopathy, yes. Irrespective of politics, what is the honest reaction to a guy attacking someone's dead son, realizing said son is dead, and then mocking the other living son for being a drug addict? It's a cruelty that only wins voters in Kekistan.
tons of voters literally just vote for the guy they'd want to "have a beer with" and unless you like hanging out with rude assholes, biden came out on top in that regard.
I was sorta impressed how often he made sense and finished his sentences. I know the bar isn't very high here but I didn't think he did horrible, he also brought up some major issues trump hasn't addressed or caused. the covid thing is a lot bigger deal to the average person than like, "hurrr i fixeded the militaryyyy"
what is the honest reaction to a guy attacking someone’s dead son, realizing said son is dead, and then mocking the other living son for being a drug addict?
Getting elected president of the United States and deciding the direction of the entire Republican party. America is a country of bloodthirsty psychopaths.
I've given up on predicting the election. Remember, Trump shit the debates in 2016 and won. Biden could still win.
Yeah. By the technical rules of debate he might've lost, but most people don't give a shit about debate order or decorum. I know I don't.
Trump didn't exactly demolish Hillary, they were mostly talking past each other. She didn't rise to his bait, called him a liar when warranted. But Trump was able to pivot every question to the sort of things his base cares about, and got a few funny jabs against Clinton along the way.
But I think people felt like an outsider like Trump just being there on stage with Hillary Clinton meant that they were finally getting back at the establishment. So long as he didn't get backed into a corner by Clinton, Trump was effectively always going to win the debates just by being there.
It'll be interesting to see what the fallout from this most recent debate will be? Will this galvanize a mass of normal non-voters into voting for Biden? Or change the minds of whatever small percentage of voters are actually swing voters? Will people see Biden as weak for not standing up to Trump, or will Trump be seen as a bully picking apart a friendly old man?
I'm generally of the opinion that debates at this stage don't change anybody's mind. During primaries, maybe, but surely with a presidential election, especially between an incumbent president and a familiar face like Joe Biden, everyone's already made up their mind's? But this particular debate was such a poor show by Biden on one hand, and such a frightening show by Trump on the other, that I have no idea what the landscape looks like going forward.
Last I heard Biden has a comfortable lead in the polls, but does that matter in the year 2020? Even if he wins the popular vote? Who knows.
I was just quoting Trump from the 2016 debate. I think he lost too.
Mediocre by all. This changes nothing substantial. Some voters may have been repelled by this but I can't imagine anyone changing from one candidate to the other after watching this.
I can’t imagine anyone changing from one candidate to the other after watching this.
Polls seemed to back it up. 48/41 is the same lead Biden started with. Everyone's just digging in.
Frank Luntz is currently having a mental melt-down over the very existence of "undecided" voters. Doesn't seem to understand that, like, 11% of the population wants nothing to do with either of them.
A lot of right wing people seem disappointed too, I think the results are more mixed.
There were moments, esp. toward the end like when Trump was brutally bullying him over Hunter that Donny really had the initiative, but his performance was also terrible for the most part.
Yeah no idea what people are on about
I know optics is all that viewers care about but at least for me Trump was nothing but obnoxious. Like he just kept on babbling over Biden it was just grating.
Quite the opposite, when he was arguing with the moderator he seemed defensive. He definitely was not a clear „winner“.
Any other candidate would’ve done much better, Bernie would’ve killed it, hell even fucking Pete would’ve done much better.
Biden’s performance was an embarrassment, the man is too fucking old.
Trump was brutally bullying him over Hunter
But no one really cares about that.
They both did so poorly that it cancels out. The country loses at this point, the decline of the American Empire will not stop under either candidate's leadership
I think you underestimate how little force of personality Biden would have. I think his advisors would run his administration and carry it out effectively and he'd just nod and rubber stamp it and go out to smile at cameras while absentmindedly groping little girls. Trump just fires competent imperialists because he gets annoyed with them on a personal level and can't comprehend the finer points of neo-colonialism so rejects it. Fundamentally deep in his broken brain Biden still has all the programming of an effective, racist, imperialist long-time US politician at the national level who spent a lifetime assisting this country do evil. While Trump, his brain is mostly full of all the cons he pulled, his running a business ripping off banks, and delicious hamburgers and fast food and random uninformed thoughts he got while reading newsweek in his penthouse in 1997. It's telling in how Trump thinks Vietnam vets were losers because from his perspective not only were they suckers for going and dying (something he as a member of the wealthy capitalist class wouldn't do), but the war was pointless, nothing was gained by the US from it and he just sees it as a defeat that made us seem weaker. But someone like Biden would probably at some level understand the purpose of it was to punish and try and contain communism.
Whereas Biden would probably listen and do as his imperialist advisors recommend, Trump is incredibly arrogant and full of himself. He's convinced he has the right idea about the world and that Washington is full of people with the wrong ideas. So he won't listen to them because his ideas are better.
yelling "i hate this" and "do something!!" when biden was just taking a whole bunch of hits.
To be fair I was saying the same things in my head. But I'm also a lib so.
Yeah but they just have anxiety disorders, they're like that. Don't tap their glass too hard and make sure you feed them brunch.
im actually the one with an anxiety disorder, but i handled it the best, aka i was jokerfying.
You wish a guy who celebrated voter fraud and denies climate change would win? Are you sick?
would you rather be shot in the head 20 times with a cannon, or shot in the chest 20 times with a cannon? misses are retaken until there are twenty hits.
make your choice. now tell me how they're fucking different.
