Oh look the thing that liberals claimed would happen if Trump wins in November is happening now while a Democrat is president and they're doing nothing to stop it
For sure, and it definitely couldn’t get worse….or reaffirm everything that’s happening right now and more?
"Guys please just vote for the blue jester instead of the red jester, if you don't the red jester will definitely make the king kill more peasants."
Ahhhh, yes, the “let’s just give up and say fuck it because the system is so bad.” Definitely the right answer.
The president can unilaterally do whatever they feel like doing. Fuck off
I don’t think telling me to fuck off is really part of a civil debate. What did I do to make you so upset?
The exact same thing as all the other blue MAGA
s who came here before you.
If it's "reaffirming everything" right now, then what the fuck is the point of voting blue? Why would anyone vote to have their rights removed?
They can just vote third party, because regardless of who is in power the supreme court isn't going to change how it works for a president.
McDonald’s can get a new manager, but the menu doesn’t change.
We have no choice but to vote blue. If Harris gets elected, maybe those Supreme Court reforms can go through. They shouldn’t have ultimate authority in matters like these (especially ones that take rights away from people).
In usa, the people are forced at gunpoint to vote blue, they don't have a choice.
Why don’t the democrats ban the GOP and imprison anyone who continues supporting it if they’re such a threat and only democrats can save us?
Because that’s not how a democracy should function? GOP is a threat though — but please continue to yell at me with no other supporting evidence of a different solution you may have. Theme of this thread is Democrats aren’t our saving grace — which I’m not sure when I ever indicated they were.
It's undemocratic to arrest peoples who want to undermine democracy? That's naïve and idealistic at best, a functioning democracy should protect itself from movements that threaten it.
Sure, but the same logic is being applied to the far right — they want to imprison and execute anyone who disagrees with them for treason.
If we are talking about saving democracy, we should consider always creating policies that ensure there isn’t even a possibility of fascist ideologies taking over the government. To see that there is that possibility just shows we have a massive overhaul to do.
LMAO. Ha yes, the Democrats who didn't use any if the 8 years of Obama + 4 years of Biden to do any of that will definitely do it next time we promise fr fr this time.You do know the Democrats have the presidency right now, right? If they were ever planing to do that, or any of the things they promised but never did in the last 20 years for that matter, why aren't they doing it right now when they already have their candidate in power? Why does it always have to be next time? Because they won't do any of it ever, that's why.
They are dangling the carrot in front of your nose to make you move forward without ever intending to actually give it to you. Yet you little donkey, instead of realizing what's going on, you continue to trust them and go in the direction they point to you election after election.
But keep at it, I'm suuure you're totally gonna beat the Trump led far right by voting for the party who enable them at every oportunity, normalize and expand their policies, deal with the discontent they cause for them, give free money to them and their buddies and much more.
Biden actually rolled back most of the bullshit Trump did when he was in office. 🙂↕️🩷 But pls continue to spread misinformation.
You can Google bro! Start with his environmental policies.
Man, don’t use Data in a comment where you call me a donkey. Touch grass if you feel the need to call me names.
maybe those Supreme Court reforms can go through
There will be no reforms, any meaningful reform will be declared unconstitutional, you know this.
Also: BIDEN IS LITERALLY IN POWER RIGHT NOW HE CAN TRY AND GET THOSE REFORMS THROUGH WHILE HE'S STILL PRESIDENT. HARRIS ISNT GOING TO BE DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
Is that not what he’s trying to do, or did I miss something? I’m pretty sure he laid out a plan or reform. I think the issue would be getting the Republicans to agree to it though (considering their majority on the Supreme Court are the ones creating these catastrophes). I also feel like Biden is between a rock and a hard place. “Presidential immunity” but if Biden used that to his advantage he’d just be belittled by the Republicans. These new rules are for Republicans and the far right only.
I’m pretty sure he laid out a plan or reform.
So you're not even sure? You're literally telling people Biden/kamala have a plan for SC reform but you aren't even sure if they even revealed one? If you don't even know what the plan is (or if there even is one) then how can you convince other people to vote for this plan?
I think the issue would be getting the Republicans to agree to it though (considering their majority on the Supreme Court are the ones creating these catastrophes). I also feel like Biden is between a rock and a hard place. “Presidential immunity” but if Biden used that to his advantage he’d just be belittled by the Republicans. These new rules are for Republicans and the far right only.
This is an art form. Immediately after telling me about a supposed plan, you proceeded to engage in damage control for this plan.
We have a plan laid out! But it probably won't work because of Republicans!
You aren't even sure what the plan to reform the SC is (or even that it exists) but you definitely know that it will fail because of the Republicans.
Insane.
Why are you so angry and using ableist language against me? There is a plan, I felt I was being clear.
Here it is: SCOTUS Reform
“No president is above the law.” Obviously using presidential immunity as laid out by SCOTUS would go against this whole point. I agree, too, that he shouldn’t use it just because fascists want to. That would also make him a fascist.
If you were not so hellbent on belittling my intelligence, you may understand that yes, there’s no way a Dem could use the rules the far right have created for themselves — it is for them, not others.
What ableist language did I use? It's ableist to call you out on your ignorance that you're trying to spread to other people?
So term limits for SC justices? How does that prevent people's rights from being taken away? So Republican justice A is kicked out because they finished their term and Republican justice B takes their place but both want to overturn marriage equality. We've gotten nowhere.
I agree, too, that he shouldn’t use it just because fascists want to. That would also make him a fascist.
Using the rules everyone else uses is fascist?
If you were not so hellbent on belittling my intelligence, you may understand that yes, there’s no way a Dem could use the rules the far right have created for themselves — it is for them, not others.
calling someone out on their poor logic is "belittling their intelligence" and that makes me ableist???
How is using rules fascist? What is fascist about Biden using the same rules that Republicans use?
How is it not fascist to allow people to have their rights removed?
You used the word “insane” in reference to my previous argument. In effect, you called my argument insane, thereby calling me insane. Therefore, you used ableist language. Perhaps you deem my logic as poor, but you’ll notice that I have not tried to demean what you have been saying (nor have you offered much in the way of solutions, either. Perhaps that’s spreading….nothing to other people?).
I am in fact not ignorant and try to remain up to date on the current political landscape. This is evidenced by the fact I provided a link to Biden’s SCOTUS reform plan, which you did not comment on other than to say shorter term limits wouldn’t solve any problems. Maybe you’re right, I’m not an expert on that matter — I’m curious if you are.
The rules the GOP are using are fascist in nature. They want ultimate power for the president, something that the founders (no matter how problematic they are) didn’t intend when they created checks and balances, considering they had just left a monarchist institution. Therefore, if he just used the power given to him through the SCOTUS ruling, he’s effectively no better than the GOP and is failing to adhere to the rules laid out in the Constitution. It seems to me Biden has been trying to keep rights for folks in place, maybe not to the level most people — even me — would like to see (barring his shit with Gaza right now which is just abysmal).
You can continue to call me ignorant, I guess I could do the same to you. I guess I just don’t want to have an argument like that.
Wow, another founders worshipper. Are all yanks like this, revering those slavers as gods? Propaganda's pretty strong&wrong over there, huh
he’d just be belittled by the Republicans.
Why does this matter?
And I suppose the entire rhetoric of the replies I’ve gotten which amount to no reasonable efforts to make any changes other than say everyone sucks seems to be the answer?
Funny how you expect the people with 0 power and, what, 3 people in office (AOC doesn't count) to fix this and not the literal President of the United States, the party in control of the Senate, and a shitload of people in all levels of government. And all of the corporations and billionaires that back them?
It's almost like the Democrats are OK with what's happening 🤔
That’s never once been what I’ve said. I agree with you that this isn’t solely the responsibility of citizens who have no power. It’s on the people we elect to these offices.
I don’t agree that most of the Dems think what is happening is okay. I think they are just stuck in the old political mindset that doesn’t work anymore. They need to figure that out especially since we are facing what is essentially another attempted coup.
I don’t agree that most of the Dems think what is happening is okay. I think they are just stuck in the old political mindset that doesn’t work anymore.
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Oh the getting worse part is non-negotiable, that's baked in, you have no legal means to address that.
The democrats are facilitating a genocide right now dude
wow, and who is in charge right now? the republicans? oh it's the democrats? well aint that just weird, i was told they love the LGBTQIA+
Do you mean who's in charge of the supreme court? Theoretically it is non-partisan, in reality it is currently Republican stacked.
An American politician who claims they want to do good stuff but who is not ready to break the power of the supreme court it's simply not serious about what they're saying.
sure, and so what? there's a lot the democrats could still do, yet refuse
Yeah obviously the president of the US and the Senate couldn't possibly be controlled by Democrats, because otherwise they would have the absolute ability to remake the supreme court. It's too bad, gosh it sucks that we live under the control of Republicans who control every arm of the federal government.
I'm pretty sure that immunity ruling means that Joe Biden is technically within his rights to annul the supreme court via JDAM at any time
The Supreme Court is stacked yes
It's stacked because the Democrats absolutely rolled over every fucking time. When the Republicans blatantly tried to steal a seat nomination from Obama, the Democrats went "wow that is so rude" and did fuck all to stop it
They're in power now and when all these anti queer laws started they continued to do absolutely fuck all about it
Democrats will not lift a finger to protect your rights
It's like the lesser evilism doesn't even matter. It's just evil and evil. Democrats are the most useless, spineless, and feckless motherfuckers on the planet.
Hey, it's completely different! It's evil and proud of it and then evil but they say how sorry they are in empty speeches afterwards! Completely different! Night and Day!
Real talk, why don't people bring this up? Like you have a Democrat president right now. Why is this shit still happening and how could another Democrat presidency prevent this from occuring again in the future when it's happening while they still have power?
Whenever people bring it up, Democrats clutch their pearls and explain that this is why voting is so important, because Trump stacked the Supreme Court, and so you have to keep voting Democrat to fix it
How will it be fixed? That they'll never say
Yeah and they'll never acknowledge that Obama could've stacked the courts himself but deliberately left vacancies that Trump then filled
Person I'm replying to right now is textbook example of this.
The way the system is explained in schools is sorta rigged towards people saying "oh well, the Supreme Court has the final say, guess theres nothing more he can do". Hexbear is one of the only places on the internet where people are saying otherwise, like to the point where I half question if I'm in a cult that believes some crazy shit that isnt actually true lol, I was raised in a semi-cult so I have some warriness of that to be fair. But yeah thats just the understanding the vast majority of people have about civics. We're taught that way. Theres really not much room left for questioning it outside of that.
Owl fact:
The Supreme Court has no ability to enforce anything they say. The court gives opinions and its up to the Executive (President) and Legislative (Congress) branches to follow the SC's opinion or not.
So why do the Democrats keep following the SC orders then?
Because obviously they agree with them. People should get a clue after all this times they could take action against the court and its rulings, but they didn't. Also, to more practical extent, SC being full of rabid reps give them really excellent excuse to do what dems are meant to do: ratchet effect. Also it's great propaganda material for getting more donations.
Yeah, there is no other way to see it for what it is. Democrats know if they actually do stuff then they would anger their donors and people wouldn't vote for them after they did whatever it is they promised to do.
So instead of actually becoming a party that works to improve american's lives and protect people, they become the party that relies on vague threats of shit getting worse if they're not in power.
Democrats never cared about people's rights. If they did, they'd do everything in their power to prevent their rights from being removed. They like the courts the way they are and aren't going to change them.
Gives them an excuse to do what they (or their donors) wanted to do while being able to say, "Aww shucks folks, we really wanted to give you single payer healthcare, cancel federal student loan debit, legal access to abortion services but that rascally Supreme Court done outwitted us again."
Fundraising, fundraising, fundraising!
Fetishizing (fuck you spell check, this is absolutely a word) process and procedure to the point that its what most of the effort of politicking is put towards instead of making the country/world a better place.
sorry sweaty, doing "good things" is authoritarianism actually like a bunch of godless Asians
Yes, Biden administration did nothing even as the whole article laid out how Biden and his administration were doing something. Y’all are wild
Rights are still being rolled back. It doesn't matter that "he tried" people's freedoms are being taken away. This is extremely serious, and has zero room for excuses like you and the article are trying to make.
No one will give a fuck that "he tried" to stop marriage equality from being overturned; if it happens then he already was not "trying" hard enough. He (and Democrats in general) needs to put his foot down and start removing justices if they continue to make people into 2nd class citizens.
I’m very well aware how serious this is. If you think that would be an option for any Democrat, you’re wrong.
Fym??? There's a fucking Democrat in power right now and rights have been/ are being removed RIGHT NOW.
Democrats won't do anything, they'll allow more rights to be removed. Fuck, they haven't even closed down the concentration camps on the border.
These rights are being led and removed by Republican states and their respective politicians. They are unfortunately doing everything in their power to ensure their ideology remains in power. They also have a mass following that perpetuates their ideology through their media. For instance, Texas has consistently refused to follow the orders of the Biden administration when it pertains to the border. What would you expect him to do in that scenario?
So he can do nothing? His hands are tied? Then what's the point of voting blue if you're just going to get an "oh well 🤷🏼♀️" whenever your rights are being taken away?
What are Democrats going to do to prevent this?
What would you expect him to do in that scenario?
To prevent what he and the Democrats always say will happen if a Republican is president. Don't tell me trump will be worse and do fuckall to protect people's rights.
The new democratic slogan should be "we can't actually stop them and aren't trying to. We just hope the lie scares you enough to vote for us. Nothing will fundamentally change."
I think that perhaps you have just given up, because I don’t think that’s at all what the Dems are doing at the moment.
Actually, I do in fact think Trump would make things much worse. To think he wouldn’t is denying the inevitable.
To think NO change has happened is false and not inserting any nuance into American politics.
I think that perhaps you have just given up, because I don’t think that’s at all what the Dems are doing at the moment.
Shit is getting worse even with a Democrat in office. It's not that I've "given up" it's that I see it for what it is and I'm not interested in democrat gaslighting.
It's delusional to see this as anything other than Democrats not wanting to actually deliver on their promises. They want to be the party of vague threats.
To think NO change has happened is false and not inserting any nuance into American politics.
Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden.
Homelessness can now be considered a crime that isn't immune from cruel and unusual punishments, this happened under Biden.
The president was declared immune from the law under Biden.
The genocide is quickly progressing into a regional war (which is worse) under Biden.
Food prices and the costs of living have continued to rise and will continue to rise under Biden, and he will offer no meaningful change in that regard.
These are the changes that have occurred under the Democrats.
You can look at this info directly from the White House.
Literally a campaign ad.
Did you look at anything else I linked. Lol. Also, campaign for who? Biden out.
An ad for Biden is essentially an ad for Kamala, since she's done nothing on her own.
Harris visited a Planned Parenthood clinic on March 14, a historic first for any president or vice president while in office
When you're totally not desperate to come up with something.
“A historic first” meaning had never happened before. But okay, continue to troll lol.
Bro what. 😂😂 you did that image in reference to me!
You sure are owning the libs lmao.
Well, it’s clear that my supporting evidence is nothing against your disbelief in any meaningful change in the country — or, just your consistent pessism. I concede to this conversation, but not the dead end path you seem to want to go on which involves no conversation on any meaningful solutions. Just sarcasm related to anything I’ve i clouded in my prior comment.
Okay! Good luck with whatever you choose to not do in this upcoming election!
Okay so like you and 200 other people against all military and governments on the planet. Good luck. 😂
I'm here to win, and if this is victory I would really hate to see what defeat is like.
I think having Trump again as president would make the “god king” reference actually hold weight.
When an executive action by the executive branch is blocked by the court, it's because the executive is spineless. Especially when that same court gave the executive total immunity and power in official acts.
If Trump or Bush ran into resistance from the courts, they would just go around them. It's a false barrier.
The Supreme Court is still stacked with Republicans. Therefore the Biden Administration did nothing real. Anything else they may have pretended to do was entirely for optics.
Is there a limit to how many executive orders can go out? Why not release a hundred orders? Force the court to strike them down one at a time, then release a hundred more. Actually try to fucking win for once
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OK calling a lemmygrad an anarchist is really funny. Good bit. Carry on.
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