Weird how they always put words like this into the mouths of tankies yet they never seem to muster a screenshot or a link to a comment.
Blue MAGA is wild. As soon as anyone dares breathe a word of criticism of a Democrat, immediately you're a rabid Qanon Trump supporter in their eyes.
"I don't support voting for Kamala, she does not represent my interests or my political beliefs."
"Don't you get it? You need to vote for Kamala to save democracy from Trump, who threatens to destroy it."
"You mean the system where you vote for the candidate who represents your interests?"
"Yes."These progressives seem so disconnected that I wouldn't be surprised if the irony in that is completely lost on them.
Well they've defederated from anywhere with a dissenting opinion so they have to guess at our opinions.
Except for ml. But they just instinctively down vote or ignore ml
I think it's more that they live in a permanent state of exception since 2016 where they will excuse anything to stop orange man, and are insenced that you don't too.
They're literally still calling the Gazan genocide a 'single-issue voter' situation.
If Kamala suddenly announced she would eat every newborn child until the next election, would people still vote for her because they don't want to be 'single-issue voters'?
The line has to be drawn somewhere and quite frankly the line started long before genocide.
"I don't support voting for Kamala, she does not represent my interests or my political beliefs."
"Oh, so you're saying you need a candidate that 100% aligns with your political beliefs? Sorry, sweaty, but the real world doesn't work that way."
God I hate this response so much.
The Vote Blue No Matter Who crowd seems to think that it's some purity test or a single-issue voter deal. Mostly it's just projection ("I agree with Kamala on everything except her support for the genocide so therefore it's the exact same in your case"/"I'm a single-issue voter and my single-issue is No Trumps")
I'd be inclined to engage with this response when I come across it but I try to remember that I'm not in the business of coaching my ideological opponents in how to refine their tactics. This also goes for misogynists or queerphobes etc. as well.
I think the worst thing that we could do is to yell at progressives for being completely tone deaf and failing to listen to criticisms of the Dems because eventually some of the more savvy and self-aware supporters are going to take this lesson on board and their outreach will shift from "Hold your nose and vote, dammit!!"/"I know what's best for you and I'm going to scold you for not allowing me to dictate what your political beliefs and best interests are!!" into something slicker and more convincing.
As much as it boils my piss on a personal level to constantly hear this kind of rhetoric, ultimately it's to my benefit if they stick to their routine of attempting to whip the voterbase into submission because it's going to make people more disaffected, which is when those people will start looking for alternatives and they'll start seeing these issues as systemic.
Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake and all that.
Where do "we" say to vote for republicans? Lmao
These people are deeply unserious
Where do "we" say to vote for republicans? Lmao
In their minds being critical of right wing ideals is a vote for Trump.
The Lemmy.world libs are so cooked they went from well-done to congratulations
They can't form coherent thoughts, they summon a mystical enemy in their thought palace to fight against and cannot imagine someone thinking Red Genocide is also bad if Blue Genocide is bad.
I stay as far the fuck from libs as possible at all times, so I genuinely get confused for a few seconds when they say "oh yeah!? You think Kamala would be a bad president?! Trump supporter! Look everyone, this guy loves Trump!"
I mean, at the risk, or rather with the intent, of being condescending... these people are fucking morons. They're legitimately maybe one rung higher than some baying hog covered in his own fecal matter screaming at a the school administrators that "they better remove the cat litter from his child's classroom or else!"
Take an undereducated, over-pampered population, add a dumpster full of insane little single issue distractions from the real shit (aka US "foreign policy" as well as all the terrible stateside shit these libs also don't care about. Time to mass murder... deport...? Who knows which anymore... a bunch of migrants and asylum seekers!) shake it up for 50 years, scrub up off all that slimy gross "class consciousness" that may have accidentally existed at one point, never talk about class in real terms, never discuss what democracy should and could mean, just point at "oo brown Maslam man! Must kill!" "flings poo oo-oo! Trump! Oo! No Trump! Oo oo oo! No! No like!"
Americans are basically slightly higher thinking great apes. We are legitimately devolving day by day and any of these coping libs who think they aren't just as fucking stupid and ape-brained as the hogs (too many animal comparisons...), well, I'd love for one of them to prove it some day. There's probably some argument that some piece of shit could make that would be at least like a legitimate attempt at something beyond flinging poo at my head when I say "Who's currently approving all the bombs and funding for bombs?" What happened to all the guys like Hitchens? I guess they're all off whining about kitty litter just like the hogs. I keep proving myself more correct!
Agreed. It's the end times for Empire and it will only deteriorate from here before it gets better.
Even better when it's a reply to
both sidesLemmy: bOth PArTiES ARE zIoniSt gEnociDERS!
All these people are convinced that Trump would be worse for Palestinians.
And maybe they're right, maybe Trump will send in straight up death squads. Maybe he'll build vans that pipe the exhaust into the cargo area and ship them to tel Aviv. Maybe he'll start sending the Israelis Zyclon b.
But the fact remains. The last year has been the most deadly for Palestinians. Ever. More Palestinians have been killed in the last year than died during the formation of the state of Israel. More Palestinians have had their homes destroyed in the last year, then ever before in modern history.
At this point, saying Trump would be worse for Palestine is like saying that Himmler would have been worse for the Jews. Possibly technically correct, but also a poor attempted genocide denial.
It's very interesting how comfortable all the libs are with letting a fascist set the minimum standard for acceptable behavior
One said I wanted them dead simply for saying we're allowing the current situation. They're super fucked up
Uwu I'm a small little flower who will wilt if you don't soak me with blood
Uh guys I think maybe we shouldn't feed people's blood to this flower
and just let them die???
if we dont feed them like that then the others will feed it 10x
Cant we figure out how to not feed it blood?
how dare you be pro other party!
if we don't drench the flower someone else gonna drench the flower
To be fair, you never said you didn't want to impale them on a pike, a totally normal and rational thing to be worried about in the year 2024.
Fair but also never implied I wanted anyone on one.
Guess saying I want a genocide to stop meant putting people on pikes?
I know but I'm betting that won't fall under lw vague uncivil rules
Put those palestinians kids on pikes instead so that at home we don't have to be hypethetically be put on pikes
It's fundamentally beside the point that the entire neoliberal edifice is demonstrably the worst thing for the Palestinians, and building an actual opposition does mean your opponent is liable to increase their aggression. A hypothetical Trump win is nothing but neoliberalism getting more aggressive as it is challenged (scratch a liberal, etc.). We cannot let fear of that turn us away from strategies that can actually solve things in the long term because all hands are too committed to bailing water instead of fixing the leak.
I've said before that people who want America to get better have to be prepared to lose; we should be voting for third party (I'm a Jill Stein supporter myself) even if it means we lose this election. We may even lose the next one, but how many elections can we lose before people get sick of Republican victories and have zero choice but to vote third party? The Republican party itself is getting more unhinged because the DNC keeps supporting the most psychotic elements so they can tell dem voters you have to vote for them.
I don't think we should minimise the dangers of the Republicans creating a one party state or there being a military coup. I mean, the Democrats won't do anything to stop it, but we don't have an electoral path in America at all. Maybe we did a couple of decades ago, not anymore.
Prisoner's Dilemma
If we work together this doesn't have to come to pass. Unfortunately most Americans aren't advanced in their knowledge of politics to understand this. It's all "My team" vs. "Their team" and culture reinforces this.
It doesn't. I'm just saying that the electoral path does not exist for the left in the us. This is true now, but especially true if republicans fulfill their wet dream of creating an open dictatorship of the bourgeoise
When the US sells weapons to Israel, the purpose is to ensure peace in the region by helping them hold a line of defense against military attacks from antagonistic countries; and in the case of Hamas, for the anti-terrorism operation of removing Hamas from power in Gaza, so that Palestinians can pursue self-determination free from terrorist rule.
This person exists within a fictional space where America is just the heckin good guy and not a bloodthirsty empire hell bent on ever more blood
They can't comprehend that a dem is letting it happen, only that it can somehow get worse with concentration camps or mass executions...which totally aren't already happening
When that starts under the Kamala administration, they'll find another excuse.
It's kids in cages all over again.
Excuse will be anything she does will be never be as bad as. Trump. Cause you can total do worse than a genocide
The libs just want someone who will quietly and politely do genocide without dropping the mask too hard. Trump won't do that, so in their eyes he's automatically worse on this issue to a level they believe justifies voting for Harris. If that's not mathematical proof liberals are racists who care far more about the idea the United States is a fundamentally good country than they care about this genocide, then I don't know what is.
They will not put the smallest effort into even trying to think about how absurd they'd sound to the Palestinians who now constantly occupy the space between living a life with dignity and dying badly, their entire culture and identity extinguished because settlers are too racist to share. The US being a country descendant from the same type, is ever gleeful to aid Israel in any manner they deem necessary. Both of the American capitalist parties are entirely subservient to the same existing military industrial complex, they are both accomplice to the Palestinian genocide equally.
Given these two parties are our only option because of the way our voting system works, would it not be fair to say we actually do not have a democracy? All semblance that the US is not a blatant dictatorship of the capitalist class dies once you understand our electoral candidates run entirely at the whim of each capitalist party. Neither have any obligation to actually conduct primaries if they choose not to, you can't vote your way into forcing them to do something they fundamentally don't want to do. No one fucking voted for Kamala Harris, yet she's half our total allowed candidate pool.
Expressing support for one or the other genocidal capitalist faction makes these libs accomplice. In doing so, libs admit they believe stopping this genocide isn't as important as conducting this genocide gracefully. Either that or they believe stopping this genocide isn't as important as whatever domestic issue they believe the democrats pay lip service to. That doesn't justify throwing the Palestinians under the bus, which is what they're doing when they loudly exclaim the democrats have their vote regardless of any material intention to stop being accomplice to a genocide.
Anyone who isn't a racist shithead sees right through it, this tendency of western libs will be a useful litmus test in the years to come.
Yeah I got to that comment tree and blacked out for a bit, knew it was time to close the thread. Just unbelievably vile people
the purpose is to ensure peace in the region by helping them hold a line of defense against military attacks from antagonistic countries
"we created this artificial problem and now we need to protect this artificial problem from the problems it created"
in the case of Hamas, for the anti-terrorism operation of removing Hamas from power in Gaza, so that Palestinians can pursue self-determination free from terrorist rule
"Whatever Gazans are still left after the Gazan
genocideSMO will be free to return to their unacceptable living conditions they had before Hamas, wherein they had unacceptable living conditions but were run by aresistanceterro (okay I'm not calling them that even for a bit) organization. Then we can all celebrate their return to unacceptable living conditions because it's not bothering Westerners any more"
Let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself, and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself, because the people of Israel must never again face the horror that a terrorist organization called Hamas caused on Oct. 7, including unspeakable sexual violence and the massacre of young people at a music festival.
-Kamala Harris
She can’t have it both ways. You can’t call out a genocide without using the word while at the same time you’re providing the weapons used to commit that genocide. Fucking ridiculous.
Also
the horror that a terrorist organization called Hamas caused on Oct. 7, including unspeakable sexual violence
Just repeating completely debunked, vile lies
Well technically Hamas did cause it, by which I mean the Israelis committed unspeakable sexual violence against Palestinians as retaliation for existing. Wait. No. Uhhh...vote Harris 2024 or you're literally a nazi (or something).
A line from one of the early (and long) posts:
all the democrats are doing is supporting a country who aligns with US values
Well I'm glad they admit this much
people who loudly and proudly say they're voting for the lesser evil when you remind them they voted for evil: 😡😡😡😡😡😡
Obligatory reminder that Hannah Arendt was a white supremacist and shouldn't have thrown stones.
https://m.jpost.com/opinion/hannah-arendt-white-supremacist-456007
we don't want to actually moderate excuse. Now I need to see if they banned me
Edit yes they did but of course none of the attacks or actual rule breaking comments were dealt with...
Wonder how much rule breaking it would take before lw removed pug Jesus
solarpunk's "automated" ban system is now going through and banning people from that thread too. very cool! 👍
Oh That's awesome. Probably also got banned there now.
Same people who say there's no mod tools and ml is the worst right?
Apparently banned from memes according to their mod log.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
even worse cause the U.S. election "season" takes a literal fucking year
Wish it was just a year. Season starts as soon as they're sworn in...
Aren't you glad it's 24/7 because of our fucked up election cycle starting from poll end to immediately after they're inaugurated
Social media during US election season is someone living in a red/blue state where their vote doesn't matter arguing with someone else living in a red/blue state where their vote also doesn't matter.
And it's fully half the time, two out of every four years. If someone followed me around telling me about that bullshit for 12 hours of every day, I would put them on the moon
Under the assumption that dems care about winning (questionable), the precedent must be established that they cannot do genocide and still have people vote for them. No matter what. As was said, four years of Trump isn’t comparable to even a single day in Gaza. It is a dark future if the alleged left opposition knows they can happily support mass murder and large numbers of idiots will not only vote for them but also spend many hours viciously shaming those who will not. Although perhaps we already live in that future and have since long ago, but it is never too late to establish that precedent. That is the total extent of harm reduction I am prepared to engage in.
Both democrats and republicans must lose, because they support genocide. PSL or Green are the only moral options.
They can't even say how it'll be worse while yelling trump will make it worse.
Really cool how many shitforbrains smuglords in that thread are reducing it to "religious zealots blowing each other up for religious reasons".
Fuck these fucking people man.
Same ones will be saying "its complicated" on why they don't outright say israel is in the wrong
"It's complicated" is liberal for "Look, I don't care, but I don't want to get in an argument"
Both siding a literal genocide is reasonable, even a hint of both siding in this election however.....
- Show"The Democrats may be doing a genocide, but have you considered cHeETo mAn bAD?"
what could be worse than a genocide?
libs explain how Trump would allow more genocide things
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Why the hell do I keep clicking on these? It's always worse than what I would do if I was trying to parody their position. Today the frustration about having to pretend to dislike genocide is wearing dangerously thin:
Inb4 “I wAnT nO gEnOcIdE” like it’s some kind of clever gotcha response that shows anything but their whole white bougie kid politics having ass.
their whole white bougie kid politics having ass.
This sentence was 1000%, without a shadow of a doubt, typed by the crackeriest of crackers
Pure projection, almost all of the people I know who take an actual principled stance against Israel are working class POC.
I don't even get the point they're trying to make! Is it that only sheltered and material comfortable children are capable of having a conscience? That thinking we have any influence over our elected officials is naive idealism of thr sort only possessed by people too young to know better?
Yeah that’s basically it. The idea is that anyone insisting on taking a hard stance is only able to be idealistic because have no skin in the game and that the people who really know how things work due to lived experience are cold pragmatists out of necessity. It’s a standard Internet thing where the argument is appropriate in other contexts, but has been coopted by people who don’t have any respect for that appropriate context and just engage in sophistry whenever the argument will make them sound smarter.
know how things work due to lived experience are cold pragmatists out of necessity
This is funny to me because becoming a stone cold pragmatist is to simply arrive at Marxism lol
Isn't it also kind of racist? Like white people can't care about things or hold strong political beliefs because of white privilege?
Great strategy for winning voters to your side!
I was wondering the same thing when i realized I didn't block that terrible space yet
It's probably the same reason "outrage porn" exists for both Dems and Republicans.
"Senator from backwoods middle of nowhere [R] said racist thing!"
"Drag queen exists in a small town"
"Immigrant man did criminal thing!"
Etc.
It activates some sort of pleasure zone in our brains. IDK why or how but I think political junkies get entertainment from this kind of content. Like we know it's going to upset us but we can't look away. Wish I knew how to stop it.
They're obligate dipshits, why can't you understand that? If you feed them leftist opinions, you'll hurt them in the long run. They need liberal self-righteousness.
