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biden: literally lets satanyahu do whatever he wants and gives him bombs faster than he can blow children up with them
libs: "think about how bad it'll be if trump wins tho"
it literally can not be worse. that's why it's such a laughable claim. it CAN NOT be worse. it would literally just be the same.
What they usually say to this is “But Trump will give them 200 pound bombs, and Biden limits them to 100 pound bombs” or something like that
they'll put them in camps! Gop won't even do a peace deal
so no change?
it'll be worse for the USA
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
God, dems are real lucky the CIA would quash any vanguard party.
All it would take are some somewhat serious leftists to win a governorship in Rhode Island or some shit and dems would either be irrelevant within a decade, or rebrand as a party by and for moderates and drop their progressive lip service altogether.
it CAN NOT be worse. it would literally just be the same.
So, if Candidate Y wins, we're going to kick you in the nuts and give you a puppy. If candidate Z wins, we're going to kick you in the nuts and stab a puppy in front of you.
I don't know about you, but I'm going to buy a cup and vote for Y.
Terrible metaphor, try this.
Candidate 1 offers genocide. Candidate 2 also offers genocide. If you vote for either you are giving support to genocide.
except neither candidate is offering to give me a puppy. be gone liberal.
I’m going to vote for neither and pull out a weapon
The answer to the trolley problem is destroying the trolley, not hitting the lever
I'm gonna buy a gun and not vote for either genocidal candidate
Is the puppy they're giving you a more effective extermination of all Palestinian life? Yet more tanks for the cops and more Ukranians for the meat grinder and more microplastics for my balls? What the fuck do you think the puppy is here, genocide lover?
Wow 116 comments! There must be some thought provoking content happening under this post!
No, it's just one guy that won't log the fuck off
Not content to merely be known as an idiot to a few people, we sometimes get fools who must show their ignorance to many
And it all stemmed from a comment they made asking how Kamala Harris was complicit in genocide, you know, the vice president in an admin literally aiding an ongoing genocide
"Oh but what about Trump" what about him? He's gonna do the same as Kamala, that's a point AGAINST her, not FOR her.
Literally a parody
Hilarious too because they admit they voted for Trump in 2016.
So I guess we need to listen to the guy who voted for a “dangerous fascist” about how dangerous he is? It’s like when Germans try to Germansplain genocide because they are experts at it
Just finding the paradox amusing that communists are attacking democrats
How is this a paradox
How is that a paradox? Why would a communist support a rightwing fascist capitalist party of the rich like the Democrats? We support the working people
Also the lethargic pace of banhammer or just the lolz amusement ideology of interacting with the troll before the ban comes.
Fair enough since making an argument of why one opposes something helps form our identities and understanding of it, but it is kind of trite.
Sometimes its fun. But this one is just dumb and troll.
And making new account after new account here is what you do instead of enjoying your very fulfilling life with your wife and kids, huh?
You guys are like swarming ants. It’s hilarious, and pathetic. Keep banning me it’s fun.
Pig poop balls spam crashes Jerboa every time, but it's a worthy sacrifice
You're like a disgusting worm, no matter how many times we cut you down you just keep coming back to spew your fascist bile
I don't send or check PM, I only discuss things publicly because I'm not a pathetic coward like you
I didn’t realize how tough and strong you were until you started commenting to me! Behold! This is what pure power and strength looks like people.
I have neurodivergent people in my family which is why I know exactly what stimming is.
I think your prior comment could be taken as ableist, and there is no tolerance for that here, just as a warning.
Most people don’t disown ignorant family and friends outright unless they really cross a line. This guy being passively terrible probably causes them to just generally lose touch though
Hey man it’s ok for me to say it, I have a black friend…
Since we have a lib in here, I feel like demonstrating just how impossible it is for this little shit to convince me to
for their genocidal queenYou losers have your fight song, your only fight song but what I have is my break up song with the party which I used to be in an abusive relationship with because I was a loyal Democrat for over a decade since I was 18 and voted for Obama but that's all over
Really pay attention to the lyrics in the latter half because I mean every fucking word
If I were literally drowning and you reached our your arm to help I would grab your hand but not to accept your help, I would rather drag you down into the abyss with me
@ThirdWorldOrder@lemmy.ml I hope you die, I hope we both die
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Trump is also a lib, you just don't know what words mean lib
So what you’re telling the class is that MAGA is a liberal group?
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So you’re saying I was a liberal my whole life but just didn’t know it until I fortuitously came across this meme thread and all these helpful people pointed it out? Checks out 🤟
Yes.
You live in the biggest liberal country, it's politics are liberal. It's ruling parties are flavors of liberalism, you just aren't aware of the terminology I guess. It doesn't help that the conservative wing of the liberals here label their opponents liberal, it's an easy misunderstanding to have.
Yes you have always been a Liberal because you exist in a hegemonic Liberal society, ie the only option presented ever are various flavors of Liberal. You are like a fish who doesn’t understand what water is because you’ve never tried to jump above its surface
You're being deliberately obfuscating. Read the rest of the thread, they're literally responding to you, not making a universal claim about living in a country meaning you become that country's politics.
I wish, unfortunately it’s very difficult to gain permanent residency in almost all of the socialist states and they are under intense siege and embargo by the dominant Liberal world order.
Just take 10 minutes (maybe make it an hour depending on your reading pace) and have a look at the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article
Like unless you're a monarchist or some other weird regressive form of conservative, you are a liberal.
Yes.
Liberalism is a word that means different things to different people, especially from country to country.
Having its origins in the assertion of bourgeois right against conservative forces, liberalism of all its different varieties is generally an ideology of the urban bourgeoisie. Very broadly, liberalism asserts individual autonomy against the intrusion of the community into that. The main source of ambiguity in liberalism is the divergence between “economic liberalism” and “civic liberalism”.
“Economic liberalism”, sometimes called Neo-liberalism or “big-L Liberalism” advocates a laissez faire economic regime, i.e., the right of property-owners to exercise the power of money unhindered by regulations, redistributive taxes and so on. Economic liberalism therefore easily makes common cause with the traditional sources of conservative politics – the landed aristocracy and Christian fundamentalists. Neo-liberalism (“Economic rationalism” in Australia) favours reliance on market forces to resolve social problems, rather than methods of state regulation.
“Civic liberalism” on the other hand, emphasises the importance of individual autonomy against determination by traditional norms, racial prejudice, entrenched power relations and economic disadvantage. Under the banner of “equality of opportunity”, civic liberalism can come close to forms of communitarianism in emphasising the responsibility of the community to secure the basic conditions of life of members of the community, or, under the banner of “freedom of the individual” on the other hand, to libertarianism, in emphasising the rights of individuals to make “life-style” choices free from interference by the community, provided they do no harm to others.
In the U.S., “liberal” has the specific connotation of seeking to promote the social good without challenging the right of the ruling class to rule. Thus, the American ‘liberal’ who wants higher wages and a better health service is quite distinct from the labour activist who aims for much the same things but whose conception is that this entails a fight against the ruling elite.
From Marxists.org
Yes. Liberalism is a word that means different things to different people, especially from country to country.
Yeah that’s about as far as I got in your novel and realized it wasn’t worth continuing
Too bad. I think in its common usage, it's clear that it varies. We use the Marxist definition which is standard and class based as opposed to relativistic.
Do you have a definition of liberalism that you find useful?
Okay I didn’t realize you were trying to be helpful. I’ll read your previous comment and reflect
Thanks but i toon these courses in uni instead of the internet
Lib could show them their posts and the university will refund what they paid for the degree
Thanks but i toon these courses in uni instead of the internet
Took
Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden
All of these administrations have more policies in common than in difference. We choose between differently wallpapered liberals.
It's not as though democrats were leaping at the chance to roll back the PATRIOT act or close Gitmo. When Trump was president, they moan about how "insane and backward" his tariffs were, only to double down once in office. It's like how congress members behave one way when the cameras are in the room, and another when they're off; the difference is slight and exaggerated for our viewing pleasure.
Congratulations you just described every government in existence
So every industrial nation. I forgot how well behaved those third world countries usually are.
"Well behaved"
You weird racist losers who think of other countries like naughty children to be controlled have been the same flavor of stupid for the last several hundred years, and you deserve the social decay capitalism has wrought on your life.
“I’m not a liberal I voted for a liberal”
Convincing argument, now face the wall
Nah there are plenty of communists and fascists on other Lemmy instances as well. We call people liberals when they do liberal things like voting for a capitalist who implemented neoliberal policies
You’re never going to find a perfect candidate. Trump wants to be an isolationist, sort of how the US was prior to WW2 but he’s also an assclown.
Harris at least can speak in complete sentences so the bar is pretty low around here.
If there’s a third party that isn’t just some joke then I’m all for it but the system is what it is and currently Harris is the best option for me out of the two.
That said, you’re not gonna find anyone in any kind of official capacity in the USA who is going to side with anyone cozied up with Irans government.
You’re never going to find a perfect candidate.
we aren't looking for a candidate. We aren't voting because we have a principled stance against this government and both of its parties. Not because we're demanding some sort of "perfect candidate."So I said “a capitalist who implemented neoliberal policies” and you thought I was criticizing Harris? I was talking about how Trump is a liberal. Maybe ask why you would mistake one for the other.
you are never going to find a perfect candidate
We don’t need perfect, just good (ie communist) although right now I’d settle for a non-warmonger anti-imperialist Liberal who didn’t support genocide, but none such options are available because we live in a genocidal war nation.
It has a definition I'm not sure why that's such a difficult concept.
Unless you think Trump is like, a fascist (which I would entertain but you said you voted for him so I sincerely hope you don't think that) he's still within the bounds of liberalism. Free markets, liberty as individuals, private property, etc.
I would contend that Fascism is a subtype of Liberal. You go down far enough the neoliberal path and you are suddenly fascist, there’s 0 hard dividing line
I think that's fair, I think there are enough distinctions (its strong nationalism and backward- looking revanchism aren't innate to liberalism, I think there are real points of conflict where libs would usually depart from fascism, absent a threat from their left) that I would accept someone categorizing it as a form of liberalism or as a separate ideology if they support their view. I think for libs though it's best to try and be charitable if it's a distinction they recognize.
The original fascists invented austerity and deregulation and privatization. The Nazis and Italian fascists were the pioneers of these policies, unwinding the regulations and social policies of the social Liberals that came before them.
They are functionally indistinguishable from the “economic Liberalism” described elsewhere in this thread and “Libertarianism”. It’s all the same thing in different degrees.
American Liberals are extremely nationalistic, chauvinist, revanchist, warmongering and imperialistic. Your point of difference doesn’t even apply
I think American liberalism is distinct from other countries' in that way, yes. My experience is that it's not normal elsewhere. I think the free market strives to transcend national prerogative as well, that's why Mises and Hayek were so keen to set up organizations like the IMF and WTO to enforce market order on nations without their interests getting in the way. Libs frequently support a "world system" over national interest in other countries.
As I said though, I can buy an argument in either direction, since fascism is so slippery as a term and the common usage of these ideas varies pretty widely. Maybe that's too accommodating on my part. I dunno. I take your point though.
Homie look at all the European “liberals” clamoring over themselves to arm and fund Nazis to kill Russian orcs. They only pretend to be above that shit, when rubber meets the road they all fall in line.
If all it takes to make a Liberal into a fascist is a scratch, they were always a fascist with a thin coat of paint.
For sure, liberals will always side with fascism when threatened, they are far more compatible with it than communism. And since being scratched is inevitable they will always have a fascism problem.
Voted for Biden in 2020. Trump was a loser and I voted for a loser.
Brother I am over 40 years old and not concerned about being a “winner”. I have a good life with kids, home and wife. I remember being pissed off at the world when I was much younger but grew out of it. Hope you all the best.
If they have any conscience they'll just hate dipshits like you even more.
I have a good life with kids, home and wife. I remember being pissed off at the world when I was much younger but grew out of it. Hope you all the best.
I feel sorry for your kids. Having a parent who doesn't care about the world they will grow up in must suck.
Guess what buddy. I am close in your age and still pissed because I have not hardened my heart to injustice and haven't given up on caring about others in order to silence my conscience to enjoy a comfortable lifestyle at the expense of millions of others. You just keep making yourself sound like a sociopath.
You having fun alternating between two rich fucks who want to suck your soul out? When will you learn neither is on your side?
So I read the page and it pretty much says that China is a mix between socialism and capitalism. You could say that about European countries as well.
Literally what other country puts billionaires on death row???
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-07-23/china-executes-14-billionaires-in-8-years-culture-news-reports
Also says the only difference is that the billionaire government people wield control instead of the billionaires who made their money in business.
??? Are you just randomly assuming the party is filled with billionaires "just because" Here is a video breaking down the government of China since you clearly skimmed throught that article if your coming away with these weird takes.
I don’t get it. What’s the difference? Governed by the few with self interests or the many of self interest? Either way the working class gets fucked.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat
Everything that I just posted is more than enough to prove that China is a workers state and will continue to improve itself and its people. I have more things to post if you need futher convincing like this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ChFRnI7-QS4I found YouTube links in your comment. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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Everyone on hexbear is also a liberal. Everyone other than me, that is.
In all seriousness, fascism serves liberalism. Fascism is the the end state of capitalism and is supported by liberals to prevent socialism.
How soon will @ThirdWorldOrder@feddit.nl go on lemmy.world to whine about the authoritarian tankies?
nothing but contempt for bloated american fascists they should be spit on and beaten with spiked bats
to be clear here I am not talking about body size or shape but as in bloated with the profits of the global south
You think he'd be more understanding, with people stealing his pool and all.
Is Kamala Harris not the second highest ranked official in an administration actively arming genocide and providing intelligence, aid, and money to keep that genocide going? It's like arguing that high ranking Nazi officials weren't responsible for the Holocaust because they weren't "in charge." She's actively serving in an administration carrying out genocide. She could always just resign. She hasn't. She is participating in genocide, no question.
Full unconditional support to "Israel."
Also known as "the same fucking stance as Genocide Joe and his cop retainer."
That's really great that you're all sorts of mindbroken by the orange man. Who's currently the president again?
Why the fuck do you post here, like you start threads, and then accuse people of being "passionate?" You did this before.
Log off already
Follow your leader then, make like Hitler and log off life
One and the same, as shown by your defense of settler-colonial genocide when the good guys^TM do it with civility and tact.
Genocides happen every day all over the world. If it makes you feel better supporting Hamas, go for it. You do you, and I’ll do me.
"Ummm, sweaty, people get murdered every day all over the world so it's okay if I support murderers. Not wanting little kids to be torn to shreds by bomb attacks is actually just supporting Hamas. What does this say about supporting Hamas? It hurts my head when I think too hard about it."
Lol, you think there's a difference between liberals and fascists
To maintain their unprovoked invasion and keep the native population out of the land was stolen. And prevent them from properly resisting the human rights abuses Israel is committing.
Pretty obvious.
I will hit your dome with an iron pipe, cockwaffle.
Have they said they won't do a genocide? Or have they fervently argued the opposite that they will 100% support Israel in all ways and never do an arms embargo even to help enforce a ceasefire?
Would you even believe anything a politician says during an election cycle? I wouldn’t.
By this silly logic, Donald Trump isn't going to fund the genocide as well then?
Harris "back Israel no matter what" has made herself very clear that the genocide of Palestinians will not be interrupted.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/09/09/harris-trump-and-the-state-of-the-2024-presidential-race/
Dunno what fucking polls you're checking, dork
lol did you just call me a dork? How very cute of you. Your link doesn’t work.
Genuinely wish I could literally make you eat shit until you died
Well your comments are the closest thing to shit we can find so it’s working
what do you think?
