I think that China could do absolutely untold damage to the American psyche and illusion of invulnerability if it simply instantly obliterated these clowns on Taiwan from hundreds of kilometers away with a cloud of drones dense enough to block out the sun. America treats the navy seals like they are all Master Chief, when in reality they are just guys who can carry a log and swim for a long time or some shit. Maybe that matters when you’re like… raiding a compound of a guy who has been on the run for decades while he’s asleep with Neon Genesis Evangelion playing on the TV, but genuinely what are these guys going to do to actually fight back against China? China will never even let them see a single PLA soldier lmao.
This is a perfect example of the kind of passively fascist mystical thinking that we westerners are trained to engage in, where Great Man Theory meets Triumph of the Will. What's so special about about these guys? Practically speaking, they're a hit squad who killed an old man in his house, that's their military specialty. But because that old man was Osama Bin Laden, AKA the Voldemort of the early 2000s, killing him must have taken something special. After all, he just walked out of the Afghan mountains one day, waved his Great Man Wand, and made 9/11 happen. Such a powerful and mysterious sorcerer of history could only be taken down by an even more powerful group of heroes, like the heckin Avengers. If Seal Team whatever managed to break into his house and shoot him in the face, then they must be those heroes. They killed a powerful named character after all, what chance does a bunch of nameless Chinese missiles have?
You’re absolutely right. The weird and stupid fascistic thought process to rationalize that your guys are superior as not just soldiers, but as human beings to enemy guys never fails to appear in any western discussion of conflict. It’s the same logic that online Rhodesia and IOF freaks (big fanbase overlap, not at all shocking) use all of the time lmao. “My team’s guys are super soldiers who are also cool and epic! Meanwhile my WEAK enemy can’t even compare!” Ok so like… what makes your enemy weak? If your enemies are so weak, why do you seem to obsess over and insist that you have and need the most elite soldiers in history? How do you know they are elite if they only fight weak enemies?
Russia-Ukraine did a decent job at proving these clowns on both sides of the conflict wrong. Every elite soldier or unit or weapon we hear about entering the battle that ”will definitely change the tide” becomes just as likely to end up as worm food as the average soldier, with no visible impact on the conflict.
Dehumanising the enemy, literally talking about them as if they don't qualify as human, is an absurdly common approach. It's clearly an effective way of 'other'ing, but it leads to completely unrealistic attitudes like you describe. There's a line that gets crossed between bigging up your team/talking shit about the enemy, and simply losing grasp of reality.
I do think it's an inherently fascistic process, and it's something I still sadly see in the left, including Hexbears, when talking about terrible people and class enemies. Obviously some are speaking in metaphor, but not everyone.
I think you're right about it being a reactionary tendency. While it's good for morale in small doses, I think it sort of...anaerobically metabolizes away your ability to engage with reality. Like in the absence of fresh data, fantasy begins to feed on itself and produce ever-stranger ideological metabolites
When all your national heroes are cartoon characters, all your plans start to read like a looney tunes episode
Remember when all those ex-spec ops idiots volunteered for Ukraine and then either got got or fled home whining about "russian war doctrine" (being able to contest air superiority)
Laughed my ass off about that canadian sniper who died a few days after arriving. Yeah dude you shoot brown kids and think you're a badass, fuck youMy fav was a western Nazi who tried to stop a couple of Ukrainian conscripts from retreating so they just shot him and kept going.
Once again the Russian blocking units are entirely projection.
Blocking units were real, but didn't shoot people. They were partially a mobile reserve of veterans to shore up the front line if it was weakened, partially for grabbing lost or deserting troops and pointing them to collection areas that would figure out who they were and get them back to their unit, and partially guarding important stuff from any nazies that managed to get through the lines to do recon or sabotage.
Yeah westerners will twist absolutely anything the USSR did. They were effectively just reserve units to plug holes, and somehow that turned into machine guns mowing down their own Asiatic hordes.
NATO occupiers being on the receiving end of aerial superiority will never stop being funny
Then going home to go on a podcast to talk about how "their expertise better suits the war in an advisory position"
Reddit brigade was peak comedy
When that one dude posted on Reddit with location data and got his whole barracks blown up
The war equivalent of robbing a bank and leading the police on a chase straight to your own front door
The Russian military guy they must have had watching the sub was surely laughing his ass off as he forwarded those coordinates
“their expertise better suits the war in an advisory position”
Lmao this person have the marshal baton in their backpack. Marshal Haig's baton, to be precise.
The howling and shidding will be as glorious as this Robert F Williams story:
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Really a perfect microcosm for the global South resisting imperialism today. The west goes about committing man made horrors beyond our comprehension, but as soon as foreign powers do anything besides role over and die quickly (Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia) or, at the very least, remain in a state of perpetual uneven warfare with little meaningful retaliation, they shit and piss themselves. The west doesn't even know what to do about peer warfare in Ukraine other than cry about it and mindlessly escalate, and they're utterly useless in responding to Ansar Allah, Hezbollah, and Iran (when they DO actually act). The west can only bully and lash out at those who are unarmed and weak, but as soon as one of their victims displays true intent and capability of self-defense they cry and play victim. Pathetic.
Absolutely. As soon as the bully gets outnumbered, or stood up against in any way, the tail goes between the legs.
Throwback to the dumbass lemmitor who insisted Ukraine had superior training, it just "wasn't suited to fighting against the russian military doctrine". The logic was completely circular.
That was my top voted post on my previous account, early federation was a blast.
"You don't understand! My training in computer science is superior to your training in weightlifting!"
"Maybe, but this is a weightlifting competition."
That’s how POWERFUL they are.
The only thing that can stop SEAL TEAM is SEAL TEAM
The epic navy seals actually crashed the helicopter on purpose because they wanted to make the raid even harder since they thought it was too easy. That’s how goated they are
They elitely had a kinetic rendezvous with terra firma at 0:45 hours
An American who spent time stationed in Kenya (they never could tell me why we have a base there, go figure) told me about a group of navy seals that decided to try to put a t-shirt on a baboon once. Apparently they all ended up in the infirmary.
America isn't sending the brightest.
America isn't sending the brightest.
What if they are
No I told them I sucked dicks in 2003 so they never tried to send me because the gays are icky or something.
Use bases in Africa are mostly drone bases for blowing up whoever we think is ISIS this week. For Kenya they're usually fighting al-Shabbab in southern Somalia.
Now ask me why al-Shabbab has, or at least had, influence in southern Somlia (it's our fault)
The helicopter just couldn't contain their awesome power. Honestly this is a failing of government to supply these brave troops with equipment that can withstand their masculinity. This is why we should be privatizing the military.
raiding a compound of a guy who has been on the run for decades while he’s asleep
With the ISI waving you through Pakistan security and you still manage to crash a helicopter
then come home and spin a lie about how he was "brandishing an AK at the top of the stairs" because americans' only moral lens for violence is through hollywood where the good guys spare the lives of the bad guys, only for the bad guys to suddenly grab a gun & have to be killed in immediate self-defense
The way I heard it, he was literally using some random woman as a human shield while he did it too, just utter Die Hard bullshit
Even after killing the guy you still managed to fuck it up by being so undisciplined that you multilate the body of the HVT beyond recognition, thus ruining the entire point of the mission and forcing the body to be quietly dumped into the ocean before it becomes an international embarrassment.
Was suppose to be a victory lap for imperialism but they got too mad and lost their shit mid way through. Seal team six is on the same level as conservative comedians.
1000% their "training" is on how to blow up critical infrastructure like TSMC's facilities, water production, and power generation in case the PRC does launch an operation on the island.
I assure you, person who lives here, that I am here to help you.
Distant explosion followed by power outage
This is for your own good.
Destroys economy trying to create a forever war
Kill one guy
vs
Fight a naton of a billion+ people
Basically the same thing!
But what if the epic navy seals did a scuba mission against every single PLA soldier?
And every soldier was standing with their back to some deep water.
the US/puppets couldn't keep the strait of bab al-mandab open against only ansarallah. What is the theory of victory for taking on China right off their coast?
America should return to the recruitment ads where the marine fought a dragon with a sword, but recast it as a Chinese style dragon. That way they will get the right type of recruit
"We need recruits who want to sit on a throne of Chinese skulls" or something to that effect.
probably planning war crimes on a scale previously unthinkable, nuclear exchanges, biological warfare etc.
the US will probably kill 100 million Chinese and then beg the CPC for mercy when faced with an army of a billion
I just saw a video where china is making a grenade launcher/sniper rifle combo. The US tried it before but decided it was too expensive. China said it wants to shoot grenades a kilometer in a light infiltry fire team.
In case you don't know, the seals actually give out tomahawks to all their war criminals. Lets them do war crimes better.
Sounds like a good place to put a high explosive round from a kilometer away
This is pretty much that from what I saw. Just scaled down for guardsman size. Some of the rounds even had a two stage propelant system.
I want that thing so badly.
Nato and wpact armies handled the distribution of heavy weapons differently. Idk how former wpact countries that aren't nato do things but back in the day the soviets tended to have weapons attached to smaller units while nato weapon teams were at platoon level. I have absolutely zero idea how the pla is structured.
The grenade sniper rifle is cool bc you could accurately fuck up ground robots, lightly armored and unarmored vehicles, expensive stuff, and other targets with accurate fire from much further than an infantry grenade launcher but without the weight and expense of a missile or mortar system. There are weapons like 12.7mm, 14.5mm, and 20mm rifles in the same space but they're not widely used. If the qlu-11s airburst capabilitiy actually works it'd have somewhat more utility than a conventional rifle.
like war crime bullets or like a 40mm? and if the latter isn't that just artillery?
Sounds like it chambers for a Chinese 35mm greande round and there are also 40x53mm versions. Maybe for export? I'll vote for whichever fascist lifts the norinco import ban!
From what I saw the export has standard 35mm. For domestic use they have 40mm with programmable range for airburst type use
As I understand this is is light artillery. Placing a grenade round into a medium target or though an open window. So more precise than artillery and more splody than anti-material
I honestly have no idea what special forces are supposed to do during a real near-peer war in the 21st century.
Obviously they’re supposed to murder civilians. That’s what they’ve always done
Recon in advance of movements, clear landing zones, etc. What the frogmen did in WW2. Basically nothing what they do today. Edit: and hell, these days you'd probably just use drones for the recon work.
Invade back lines
There's some footage of the Russian ones so deep into Ukraine territory they manage to ambush supply trucks basically point blank with their arms
Fight insurgents in occupied cities. Go on secret missions against non-combatant or allied nations. Train allies or insurgents. Same thing they do now, they're not gonna go near the front line. It's too risky, government has invested too much in their training when they could send grunt conscripts.
Spotting for laser-guided bombs and other munitions, and collecting medallions awarded for committing warcrimes
I think that China could do absolutely untold damage to the American psyche and illusion of invulnerability if it simply instantly obliterated these clowns on Taiwan from hundreds of kilometers away with a cloud of drones dense enough to block out the sun.
IDK about this, I think this is quite unrealistic and almost mythical level thinking.
IMO drones work well in Ukraine because its a huge battlefield we haven't seen something like this since WW2. For some context the Ukraine war front is well over 1000km.
The current Korean DMZ is a "tiny" 250km. The Taiwan straight is also something like 300kmx180km or so.
This means that both sides have trouble providing consistent and effective air cover for their troops, despite the Russian natural advantage Ukrainian drones are still quite effective.
Turning to Taiwan this is the opposite, it would be a very concentrated battle and anti-drone systems should be more effective simply because its a smaller area.
China already achieved military superiority over the US and the conflict will be decided over naval superiority by destroying or even damaging the US carrier fleet. In fact I do like the theory sinking a US carrier would be far worse than 9/11 for the average population and internal US politics, although perhaps that would mean accepting a WW3.
In fact I do like the theory sinking a US carrier would be far worse than 9/11 for the average population
The symbolic victory against Imperialist aggressors combined with the fact that the US might have spent the last 30 years laying off their shipbuilding capabilities and expertise is a day to look forward to.
You’re 100% right, but also I’m just being hyperbolic because it’s funny
In fact I do like the theory sinking a US carrier would be far worse than 9/11 for the average population and internal US politics, although perhaps that would mean accepting a WW3.
Obligatory reminder that USA already took their obsolete but very prestigious ships and put it in obvious provocation situation to start a war. Twice.
IIRC, China has been doing a lot of stuff with low-flying drones over the water. Very hard to see on radar, reported as "UFO"s in the South China Sea.
A dense cloud of drones is silly though that's not the point of drones
On the other hand, cheap drones with explosives getting sucked into jet engines...
Turning to Taiwan this is the opposite, it would be a very concentrated battle and anti-drone systems should be more effective simply because its a smaller area.
China already achieved military superiority over the US and the conflict will be decided over naval superiority by destroying or even damaging the US carrier fleet. In fact I do like the theory sinking a US carrier would be far worse than 9/11 for the average population and internal US politics, although perhaps that would mean accepting a WW3.
I don't know how an attack on Taiwan by America would even work without dragging the whole region into the conflict. America's industrial "base" is several thousand miles away from the battlefield. They'd have to be operating from friendly neighboring countries to even have a chance of keeping up a fight, much less winning it.
Wonder what it'd mean for the US bases in SK/Japan. I feel like those are missile magnets in the event of a hot war.
Skip forward two months:
"Hey guys, we successfully repelled the mainland Chinese invasion of occupied Formosa!!
What? No, you can't see any evidence of this. We sunk all of their ships in the Taiwan Strait so you'll just have to take our word for it that we actually achieved what we said we did and trust that this isn't another example of our unit pulling another political theatre manoeuvre."
😎😎
The Navy Seal training they are undergoing is on how to move the goalposts when the PRC reunifies with Taiwan.
”We achieved our strategic objective of ensuring a smooth transition while protecting the citizens of Taiwan”
Americans: The Navy Seals alone could easily defeat the entire PLA.
America to Americans: Attention, all
gamersTaiwan supporters. Taiwan is in grave danger, and it needs your help to defend the Taiwanese people and stop the evil CCP from eating all of our chips! But to do this, Taiwan needs some American expertiseon losing wars to communistsand a couple of ourÜbermenschNavy Seals. To help Taiwan, all we need is your credit card number, the three numbers on the back, and the expiration month and year. BUT– you’ve gotta be quick, so that Taiwan can secureAmerican interestsits borders and get the epic victory royale over Xi Jinping (Winnie the Pooh) and his gang of commies!Americans: Sir, yes sir! 💳
while he’s asleep with Neon Genesis Evangelion playing on the TV
🎵 Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling dowwwwwwn~ 🎵
🎵 [The US keeps] letting me down, letting me down, letting me down~ 🎵Uberimperialist sounds like a unit from Command and Conquer lol.
Wtf the navy seals unit that killed Bin Laden going to do when China "invades" Taiwan? I don't thin China will ever invade Taiwan. If they ever want to force reunification, they can just support a military coup. These navy seals will probably get killed/captured by the ROC military.
the US has been gearing up for this war for the past 12 years
they know it's going to happen because they're going to force it to happen
