Curious how the ballot access laws become so strict in swing states kyle

  • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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    3 months ago

    PSL doing good work to show that reforming the system is impossible. Libs get so mad when I suggest voting for them, haha.

  • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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    3 months ago

    Kicked off by Democrats

    I am once again pointing out that liberals are more opposed to democracy than even the far right. Like, quite literally they are less likely to agree with statements like “Every person’s vote should count equally,” “Democracy is a good system,” and “Free elections are an essential feature of democracy”

    • PKMKII [none/use name]
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      3 months ago

      The democrats had always been the party of the Party Boss making the decisions instead of the rank and file. Hence “superdelegates” being a thing in their primaries.

      • hypercracker
        hexagon
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        3 months ago

        Have you considered that you’re a rube who will continue to believe total falsehoods even when evidence to the contrary smacks you in the face

      • edge [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        Which party has been working hard to keep third parties off the ballot for at least the past few election cycles?

        Which party’s supporters get quite upset at the idea of someone voting third party?

        • barrbaric [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          Well there was some complaining about libertarian voters costing Trump some states in 2020 IIRC.

      • AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        lemmy.dbzer0 continuing to be the most Lib infested lemmy instance after lemmy.world, but only just ahead of that startrek one

      • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        *Steeples fingers*
        *Paces slowly*
        *Starts to speak*
        *Hesitates, stops*
        *Faces out window, somberly*
        Well considering that it's 2024 and you're still using role-playing asterisks maybe it's either because you're young or a sentient IRC channel.

      • ClimateChangeAnxiety [he/him, they/them]
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        3 months ago

        I mean, this isn’t a matter of opinion, this is based on how leftists, liberals, and right-wingers answered questions when polled.

        https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/23/opinion/international-world/centrists-democracy.html

        An important note to read that and not come back and say something stupid, “liberal” can be a confusing term with multiple meanings. When I say “liberal” and NYT says “centrist” we mean the same thing.

  • Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    I'm probably voting for Claudia then. I just want to sit down and watch a debate with her and the other third party people like I did four years ago.

  • Ildsaye [they/them]
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    3 months ago

    People still say there is somehow a better chance of getting ranked-choice voting under the Dems wtf

    • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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      3 months ago

      They think if the populace supports RCV when they vote, this magical RCV prayer will translate into reality. They have no analysis of mechanisms for why society progresses, they are idealists and utopians.

      "Convince people to support RCV" okay, then what? How does this make a difference? Praying harder? They act like 40k ork magic is real.

      • duderium [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        I live in a state with RCV. Nothing has changed.

        • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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          3 months ago

          Yep, it's extremely convenient to the bourgeoisie. It's a carrot that is extremely hard to achieve and even if achieved won't fix anything.

      • cmhickman358 [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        Stalin should've marched all the way around back to Moscow again

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          • lilypad [she/her, null/void]
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            3 months ago

            Stalin went down to Georgia, he was lookin for some food to eat,
            He was way behind, and tryin to find, food quick cause he was beat,
            When he came across this little kid cookin up a sausage and a-makin it hot,
            Said comrade Stalin you should start your own resturaunt i tell ya what

            so Stalin grease on up your pan and fry that sausage well,
            Cause folks hunger in Georgia and're ringin' that service bell,
            And if you cook just fast enough you'll feed em all today,
            Otherwise, you'll have to turn some awaaa-aaa-aaa-yyy

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        • Owl [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          Stalin should've stopped at Berlin, but not on the first lap.

        • CommunistBear [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          If I wasn't sleep deprived and was able to do poetry, there's probably a decent followup poem to Lenin walks around the world with something about Stalin

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  • newacctidk [none/use name]
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    3 months ago

    Well there goes my inclination to even go to a polling place as a PA citizen. Fuck you DNC and fuck all who carry water for them

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      • GrumpigPoopBalls [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        We don’t for president, but Jill Stein is on the ballot so I’ll probably vote for her. The other candidates are all extreme libertarian or other flavors of right winger

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          • GrumpigPoopBalls [he/him]
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            3 months ago

            it varies from state to state, I just know that write-ins aren't counted in my state for at least president (i think because of ranked choice?)

  • companero [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    I have so many questions about how write-ins work. Do you have to write the full names of both candidates? Middle names too? Or can you shorten it somehow? What happens if you make a spelling mistake? What if the counter decides to ignore your vote?

    Apparently it sounds like you can use rubber stamps in most places. Can you share the same stamp with other voters? Could you leave the stamp in a voting booth for others to use?

    • Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      My mind always goes back to Lisa Murkowski getting reelected in 2010 as a write-in candidate after being primaries by a Tea Party Republican. I remember them placing a lot of emphasis on people spelling her name right.

      I guess the short answer to your question though is that write in rules vary according to each state's election laws.

      • Inui [comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        They do if the candidate has official write-in status, like the map indicates. If the majority writes in a random celebrity who happens to win, it doesnt count if they didn't go through the state's processes.

  • grandepequeno [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    Very excited by Tony1Dime's book on how America is a uniquely anti-democratic liberal democracy, which nevertheless (through shit like how bombastic and seemingly consequential the electoral cycle is, especially recently after trump) produces enough legitimacy in its people to keep going.

    Like, this ballot access restriction is the type of shit they accuse venezuela of doing

      • grandepequeno [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        It's not out yet (spring 2025) but it's called "Freedom to Change Nothing: The Spectrum of Managed Democracy and What Makes the US Different", which will probably delve into ideas that Tony has been talking about on his channel and on Sheldon Wollin's idea of the american system as "Inverted Totalitarianism".

  • Inui [comrade/them]
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    3 months ago

    Kicked off in a few states, but looks like they have write-in status in North Dakota and maybe others now? So that's neat.

    • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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      3 months ago

      It's funny that they get kicked off at all, those votes are pretty much all going to Stein. They are actively discouraging voting for the anti-democratic "democrats."

  • FidelChadstro [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    Kicked off from two major swing states where they would have the most ability to effect the election

    • hypercracker
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      3 months ago

      Spend a few million dollars in donations to bring court cases through three layers of appeals. Wonder whether the “defend democracy” actblue fiends have any idea where their money is going.

  • edge [he/him]
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    3 months ago

    The most insane thing is afaik she’s on the ballot in Georgia, it’s too late to remove her, but they’re just not going to count the votes for her.

    Complete sham of a “democracy”.