The CIA is generally humanitarian/progressive organization
Who doesn't like the humanitarian overthrow of democratically elected countries, or humanitarian torture of hundreds of thousands of people.
How about the humanitarian carpet bombing of the countries half a planet away? Humanitarian use of chemical weapons, destroying entire ecosystems and creating births defects for generations? Humanitarian drug traficking of cocaine in South America and heroin in southeast Asia aswell as humanitarian weapons traficking?
How about the humanitarian installation of dictators who mass murder millions of people, who doesn't love that?
Come to think of it, they should give the Nobel peace prize every year to the CIA
These people are just fascists, no amount of self-labeling as "leftist anarchist" will change that.
Feds not beating the accusations of too much reading for them to blend in.
please please Biden or kamala or maybe trump start using the word tankie in your posts or speeches
i just want it to finally die. then in a few years we can take it back and make it a good thing
How do you do, fellow liberal leftist anarchists? Say, the CIA isn't so bad now, are they? Look at all the good they're doing in the world!The smartest thing N.Korea ever did was develop a nuclear weapon.
Get fucked Amerikkkans
Whole governments are tankies now, good God what if there are tankie continents? Tankie planets? Tankie UNIVERSES out there?
I'm actually a hyperleft extraterrestrial omnirevolutionary but even I realize we need the interdimensional antitankist corps
I'm a leftist anarchist but have you stopped to consider literally everything the US state department says is absolutely correct and if you think or do anything against the oligarchical status quo you hate queer people and want them to die. Vote blue!
As a queer black woman, the CIA has done more for me then the civil rights act ever could
why doubt? Ukraine-Maidan and Hong Kong, the minuscule anarchists were part of the protest. I remember reading anarchist reports about being chased out of protests by Right Sector Nazis during Maidan. The Nazis were the ones doing the street fighting against the cops during Maidan. Hong Kong protests, the anarchists were surprised by the rightwing nationalism of the protests, even when Murican flags were being waved. This is not sectarianism, just stating facts, anarchists (no matter how minuscule they are) they will join any protest (even when it's an obvious NED/CIA job) that opposes their government.
anarchists (no matter how minuscule they are) they will join any protest (even when it's an obvious NED/CIA job) that opposes their government.
Anarchists showing up to a protest because they think it's based for being anti-cop or anti-corp, realize they've been cucked, then come back and report (honestly) about what they saw are Good Aktuly.
They've got good morals and bad info. They're doing a little bit of insider journalism for folks with an outsider perspective. And they're self-radicalizing, to a degree, as they realize who they're dealing with.
It's the shitlibs and shitlibertarians who show up, meet Nazis, and come back insisting "oh wait these Trump guys have a lot of good points, we both don't like the SeeSeePee. Trust them they're based and cool" are the ones I'm more disgusted with.
Your David Brooks tier anti-government guy who goes down to Berlin to cover the fall of the wall and announce how much he loves German Nationalism all of a sudden... We all know how that story ends.
But I'm not going to lose faith in an America-pilled guy who goes in thinking he's supporting Hong Kong John Kerry and comes out spitting curses at Allen Dulles. That's how we get more Matt Christmans.
Anarchists naively telling on themselves is good for us on an intel level but it doesn't make said anarchists hopeful candidates to develop politically in a better direction, and while make anarchists do make that step forward, most do not.
Anarchists naively telling on themselves is good for us
It's more them going inside these organizations and outing their fash roots.
it doesn't make said anarchists hopeful candidates to develop politically in a better direction
You can't change your view without a different perspective. The keyboard commando anarchists who live on the computer, never actually meet anyone in person, never show up at protests or organize with peers, and simply regurgitate the same twelve anarchist memes dating back to the Spanish Civil War are the ones who won't develop. The anarchists who try to do Real Anarchy by taking direct action are the ones who are primed to either convert or at least do a little good for others in their stubborness.
while make anarchists do make that step forward, most do not
The anarchists who make the jump stop being anarchists and start being the Secret Other Thing (
). So it's something of a selection bias.But - at least in America - we all start out as something much closer to the fashist core approved by the state. Libertarians, Progressives, Greens, and Anarchists are people who have at least stretched outside the ideological zone that liberals and conservatives permit. You're not going to find a ton of people who are Marxists out of the gate because you're not going to find a bunch of Marxism in elementary education and social circles. People have to get there somehow. Anarchy is farther along the road than most people get. Give them a chance to keep growing.
I disagree. I'm not online in spaces to deal with keyboard commando anarchists, all my experience is from anarchists on the ground involved with organizing in my community. They will dox a tankie before they do anything to actually challenge capitalism and no exposure to differing perspectives is going to change their minds. They are, like soc dems, volunteer sheep dogs of liberalism who exist to lead newly developing leftists away from Marxism. Anarchists will often suppress materialist thought in organizing spaces and police these spaces in a way to divert energy into useless BS until the momentum dies down and nothing happens. I know quite a few anarchists who became Marxists and the common denominator is that they didn't identity as anarchists for more than a year or two before the reality of organizing in anarchist spaces made it obvious that they needed to look further for answers. Anyone who is an anarchist after their baby leftist phase is basically a volunteer cop in my eyes. I used to be more big tent about it but I have seen anarchists wreck a dozen different organizing arenas in my community, almost all of which were white people fucking up a movement that had the biggest impact on colonized communities. I have seen white anarchists enable fascists and cops, try to dox Muslim organizers, push out Black organizers and more. I have a lot of criticisms of Marxists too but I've never seen them do the type of stuff that I've seen anarchists do to comrades and movements.
Yeah, there's a long interview from some Hong Kong anarchist collective that I read where despite them being part of the protests they spend the entire thing complaining about how reactionary the movement they're materially supporting is, how the bulk of the protesters (whom they were still unconditionally supporting) were racist, sexist creeps who were violently intolerant of any sort of internal criticism, and how the protest movement was rallying around Euromaidan symbols and idolizing Azovite nazis, and how there was a general sort of millenarianism to the protests where they weren't even aimed at succeeding so much as trying to force such a crackdown that the US would step in directly and burn the world for them.
But they still supported them, even as they verbally tore apart the whole movement in ways the media would never touch lmao. Like they were so sectarian that they were making common cause with fascists and then also being sectarian against their fascist allies that they willfully chose to ally with.
almost certainly a libertarian who thinks they hold left-wing opinions, if you asked them whether private property should be abolished they would say no
"I'm an anarchist, I think weed should be legal and I think everyone should have
, just as American's are given by the First Amendment."
after years of organizing with anarchists on the ground, I don't doubt it at all.
Yeah know a few like that as well. Hated China and Russia so much that they got disturbed when I said the US was a greater threat to the world than them.
ehhh I've heard some wild Epic Western Anarchist opinions IRL but overt support for the CIA overthrowing other countries' governments would be pretty out of pocket.
Sure they use the proxy's name and pretend they aren't led by the CIA but
and it is ostensibly the same.
I was an anarchist, and while I never heard anything quite as extreme as overtly supporting the fucking CIA, any time foreign policy got brought up in convos it wasn't uncommon to see comrades suddenly morph into r/CredibleDefense posters.
