So apparently we are now in the find out of the fuck around part of climate change. My only question is if Florida is still going to retain it's electoral votes once it's fully submerged underwater?
that thing we relentlessly shouted and warned about and pointed to mountains of evidence of for 50+ years is finally manifesting in more destructive ways than our models could predict?
no, it is actually the democrats using cloud seeding technology to destroy a swing state a month before an election, in a bid to steal the presidency and enforce Kamalunism.
They found the only way to be more annoying than to just keep denying.
Admit it’s not normal, and come up with a dumb fuck explanation.
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"Climate change isn't real, it's a total hoax."
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"Okay it's real, but it's not man-made."
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"Okay so it's man-made, but not by us."
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"Okay climate change was caused by us, so we're going to have to eradicate parts of our population to fix it."
I believe we're starting to see them move from point two to point three, though some of them are still insisting on one. When Florida is completely off the map and underwater, they'll start talking about point four.
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Massive destruction of the United States by natural disasters is the only way the global north will do something about the climate crisis.
In the cold war, the Pentagon continually did calculations to see who would be better/worse off after a nuclear confrontation. There were people who thought that if the calculus favored the US at all that was enough to justify a nuclear war.
For Dr. Strangelove Kubrick got a lot of inspiration from the Rand Corporation and other ghoulish orgs and people who were pressing that concept. An example...
Herman Kahn (February 15, 1922 – July 7, 1983) was an American physicist and a founding member of the Hudson Institute, regarded as one of the preeminent futurists of the latter part of the twentieth century. He originally came to prominence as a military strategist and systems theorist while employed at the RAND Corporation. He analyzed the likely consequences of nuclear war and recommended ways to improve survivability during the Cold War.
Kahn posited the idea of a "winnable" nuclear exchange in his 1960 book On Thermonuclear War for which he was one of the historical inspirations for the title character of Stanley Kubrick's classic black comedy film satire Dr. Strangelove. In his commentary for Fail Safe, director Sidney Lumet remarked that the Professor Groeteschele character is also based on Herman Kahn. Kahn's theories contributed to the development of the nuclear strategy of the United States.
I believe he was the first person to use "scenario" in its modern meaning. He needed a way to describe the future in stories as if written by people in the future. He used scenarios to suggest that a nuclear war could be won.
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I just realized he was a shitposter for evil. He just made shit up to rationalize apocalyptic mass death, destruction, and suffering.
"Look, guys - if the Soviets kill x tens of millions of us but we kill y tens of millions of them - we win. Lemme explain..."
Reading history from back then, it's terrifying how many airforce generals had to be metaphorically put in a full Nelson while they frothed and screamed to launch! Launch! Launch!
The us air force is about 1/2 completely delusional apocalyptic christian fascist death cult by personnel and it is an existential problem for the world.
The possibility of World War III has been on my mind. But just now I had a surreal thought about how the world could end in negative feedback loop of nuclear war, regular war, and climate change.
Israel goes to war with Iran and because it's an "extinction war" Israel launches "limited" nuclear strikes which - of course - leads to global chaos, instability, and more war. "Limited" nuclear war is now no longer unthinkable so eventually there's another. Chaos becomes the norm. Meanwhile - the world has had a sizeable number of regular wars due to the chaos, climate chaos, and the gigantic number of climate refugees. Because all of this - there's no appetite for cooperation so any workable climate engineering project has any hope of working.
At this point - it hardly matters if there is a World War III or not. The earth is already in a death spiral of chaos, climate chaos, and war.
It's grim comfort but afaik there's no scenario currently where life on earth, and probably people, will be wiped out. Even if most of us die someone will live, and hopefully remember us, and do better next time. This isn't some eco-fash "humans are the virus" thing. Just, we've been around for 450k years, and I think even if we really, really, really fuck this century up it won't be our last chance.
Even if it gets to a point where everyone here and everyone we know is fucked, it's still worth trying to fix things and preserve knowledge for the benefit of the people who come after us, because there will almost certainly be people after us. It might take a thousand or ten thousand years for things to calm down, or they might figure out how to thrive on a hot chaotic earth, we can't know right now. But it's not over, even if it ends up being over for us.
Idk if our current mode of production regardless where it’s being done really favours the environment though. I’ve read about swathes of the rainforest being cut down to mine minerals to build solar panels. We really need to rethink our relationship to technology and the earth if we want to avoid mass environmental destruction.
It's too late to avoid it. At this point it's more about how much can we preserve.
I think it's largely too late. When Germany is (maybe? If i read that right?) In the path of a hurricane we're facing something no one is ready for.
What I think is going to happen is that major population and industrial centers are going to be destroyed faster than they can be repaired or moved, which will create knock-on effects damaging the whole economic system. Like there will be one single vital doo-dad factory that supplies 90% of a critical doo-dad, it'll get flattened, and the doo-dad shortage will reduce the production of doohickeys by 30%, which will have it's own effects.
And meanwhile the us and gulf nations will have millions of utterly impoverished refugees fleeing from region to region ahead of storms and heat bubbles, swamping city and state resources while the feds try to find a way to means test cholera.
Many of the gulf states are already in horrible shape, and this new normal of very strong storms is going to beat them flat and send their people fleeing.
Just trying not to think much about what happens in the rest of the gulf where the economy is even worse than say mississippi. : (
It's real fucking grim.
We already have a fucking IV fluid shortage because of the previous hurricane and my hospital, in fucking CALIFORNIA, has begun rationing bags.
I think it's largely too late. When Germany is (maybe? If i read that right?) In the path of a hurricane we're facing something no one is ready for.
Whenever some fellow Star Trek fan talks about how "Darmok" is unrealistic because they think nuanced meaning can't be derived from a simple phrase that requires broader context to understand, I just think of these emojis and memes in general. "Homer smiling, his finger raised." "Fry, his eyes narrowed." "Picard, face in hand." Once one knows the context then they become great ways to quickly convey complex thoughts.
Yeah, it's really just memes Audio Description Edition. Mofos act like they didn't spend their childhood repeating Family Guy and South Park quotes to each other.
that scene where troi is explaining to picard except instead of a mug with brown tea in it she should have used an early 21st century internet meme and asked 'well mr archeologist thefuck does this mean'
Honestly kinda wondering if there'll be any fallout on him regarding the upcoming devastation since there's very little to no actual funded prep for hurricanes in the state and insurance companies are likely going to go insolvent form this.
Unlikely, IMO. It's not so much that floridians can be made to believe that, actually, it's Biden's fault. It's that DeSantis' supporters will make the conscious choice to believe whatever they think is politically correct.
more internal refugees incoming. it's so great this place doesn't just leave people to figure it out or die. oh wait.
All those Chuds we got from upstate New York suddenly move back there all at once. So much for "no state income tax."
Well, looks like we're getting more directly hit than what usually happens. I suppose it was only a matter of time before our luck ran out.
My only question is if Florida is still going to retain it's electoral votes once it's fully submerged underwater?
The Three-Fifths CompromiseThe Underwater Compromise
The Three-Fifths Compromise
Is that because only three fifths of the state will not be submerged, or that each adult Floridian on average will have only three fifths of their own body above the water line?
I occasionally lurk on /r/collapse when big weather events crop up. (It's way too racist for me under other circumstances.) I just read a comment that Florida has only 27 hospitals listed as "level 1 trauma centers", the facilities most needed in these kinds of natural disasters. And guess where Tampa's only one is?
On an island barely above sea level, in Tampa Bay. There are two bridges onto that island, neither of them with any sort of wind barriers. There's an airport and some marina facilities but good luck making use of those in a hurricane.
If this were a movie I'd be laughing at the black comedy of it all.
Feels like the "we should put our emergency response center right under the Twin Towers" level of civic planning.
Jesus I'm honestly wondering how many staff are even going to come to work? Like for real any nurse or doctor coming in knows they aren't going to get relief once that storm hits and likely will have to go well beyond 24hrs+ providing continual care (god help those working in the ICU or trauma bays...), at the same time if they leave they will get charged with patient abandonment possibly compromising their licenses.
If the nurses on staff are anything like the ones in my family, they'll probably plan to show up before the rough weather really hits and ride out the storm at the hospital to do what they can to help.
There will always be "The Villages" unless something funny happens to it.
Nah, it's too far in the interior. The bastards had the good sense to at least not build another retirement community on the coast.
Some kind of masque of the red death shit where they build higher and higher walls to keep poor and
people out and then a storm fills the walls with water.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
glad to see the empire suffering the consequences too.
right on a very conservafascist state too. i feel for the good people in there but the schadenfreude is delicious on this one.
at least i will have that while i die a fiery hot death in my own corner of the world.
glad to see the empire suffering the consequences too.
If the empire were to truly suffer, this would have sneaked up on Miami when the billionaires weren't watching. Or, at a minimum, hit Orlando before it hit Tampa Bay.
