Prime Directive, my ass
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I will say my dream is to make Brie Joy Grey have to reconcile her false socialist admiration for space NATO against the immortal science of Marxism-Dukatism.
OP likes the new piccard series bc the federation is portrayed as imperialists
Wow, go back to your Zephraim Cochrane fedarkiddie pablum and let the real leftists discuss as adults.
lmao this mf thinks you can reform the system. Plato called, he wants his god-king back!
The real problem is that, as much as we may like it, Star Trek is a show that’s been on forever with an ever changing team or writers and guest writers, and unlike more thought out episodic speculative fiction there’s no central Bible for everyone work off of to maintain internal consistency.
To my knowledge no Star Trek writer has actually ever written exactly what the Prime Directive says so it remain a vague “non-interference” policy that some writer regard as absolute law to be enforced militantly to the letter and others treat as more interpretive. It’s been a weak point in the world building of the series for a while with some episodes handling it well (Who Watches the Watchers) and others handling awfully (Symbiosis).
A pity in cases like these, but I would say I think it’s overall helpful since it provides less resistance to world building and creativity. Just so long as it’s kept out of the hands of greedy executives. Womp womp.
Ehhhh, not to go all Auteur Theory, but I think having some centralizing vision would have been majorly helpful, at least series to series. The problem is just how fucking much Star Trek they made back in the day, most seasons of Next Gen had 26 episodes, shows today are lucky to have fucking 10. This is part of the reason why it's a show that gets talked about in individual episodes, not seasons or much less the overarching series as a whole. There's so much bad and "meh" in between the truly stellar stuff that gets you hooked on the world.
Roddenberry was that centralizing vision between TOS and the first season of TNG. From what I've read, he's the one responsible for TNG's first season being so fucking weird with characters that seem alien even though they're human.
It kinda cuts both ways.
I mean, yeah the flip side is if you’re centralizing vision is some coked up 70s weirdo with vague utopian ideas you get... 1st season of TNG.
I think maybe everyone just getting together and writing a “Bible” and maybe a vague outline of how they wanted the show progress would have been enough.
The prime directive has always been bs. That one episode of Enterprise where Dr. Phlox can cure a species of their deadly disease but does not because pRimE DiREctIvE. Yet like half ithe series involves them breaking it when cconvenient . Every trek iteration has pulled something like that.
I have come to to accept that Starfleet is mostly imperialist. But w/e phasers go brrr, Alex Kurtzman did nothing wrong.
I mean technically yea in Dear Doctor there had been no prime directive, but at the end they call for one. Phlox's reasoning is what the prime directive would essentially become. He did not want to interfere with their evolution because maybe the lesser species would evolve to replace them. So instead they gave them a some medicine that relieved some symptoms and fucked off.
My issue is that they could have helped to relieve suffering if they wanted to but chose not to because of some nebulous potential evolution. The prime directive is used as a shield when the feds don't want to deal with something, but when it is beneficial to the plot/Starfleet they are all too willing to break it for one reason or another.
That is not fair. The issue is that the plot forces you to pit one race over another is bs. Probably should have worded it better but I still think withholding the cure from a species ending plauge is fucked up.
Yea fuck an entire civilization and sentence them to death cause some vague form of eugenics without even trying to broker some kind of deal or demand for better treatment ment of the Menk.
It's like if we all lived in Children of Men world and an alien race could cure us but oo sorry, some of you treat dogs badly and they are the genetic future of this world cause we say so. Here is some aspirin tho byyeeee.
Terrible episode and terrible ideas behind it.
lol the episode does not even come close to equating them to the nazis, come on. You are the one advocating the death of an entire civ of people. I am going to cease responding now btw, I have to log off. Prime directive bad, Season 1 of Enterprise bad tho.
Oh yes yes, under MLB everyone has their own generational family vineyard :mao-shining:
“Lebensraum is fine so long as we don’t value the life on it.” Curious how no one ever talks about what happened to those tribbles, hmm?
Bajor is and has been part of the Cardassian Union for centuries, look at the old galactic maps. We brought a backwards, theocratic outpost into the 24th Century with industry, reason, and purpose. It was Cardassia who cured the Fotossa virus, Cardassia who gave a glimpse of power beyond the Vedeks. Harmony was blossoming before the fedscum began to interfere.
Now look at it in fed hands, on the brink of collapse!
This brings that time travel episode where Nerys learns what happened to her mom into some... bizarre context.
Computer: "You have an incoming call from Gul Dukat."
Kira: "Ugh it's the middle of the night. On screen."
Dukat: "I fucked your mooooooooooom."
Still among my favourite scenes in the franchise.
Dukat: “your mom! In addition to that other Bajorian woman who I fucked and fathered a child with. A child I was gonna kill for a hot second. But then I got attached to her but later she died and I decided the rational response to that was to try and genocide her mother’s people.”
Okay I’m starting to see some holes in this “Dukat is the good guy” theory.
“Dukat is the good guy” theory.
Anyone who supports that theory is an Obsidian Order bot.
That's what every FedLib says whenever someone criticizes their Maquis proxy forces in Cardassia.
Oh fuck I've been swallowed by the bit too!
I mean there's no way I am getting in the way of a bit this good but I always figured actually managing and running a vineyard in a society that could replicate a near infinate number of bottles of the very best wine ever made perfect to a subatomic level was a quaint hobby, like those people nowdays who have a backyard forge and make stuff.
Picard and his family run it but probably because there's no decent reason to take it from them. Anyone who wanted it could find fertile land likely even better for grapes than the vinyard somewhere in the federation. Sure the landscape is beautiful but if that's what you want you could go to one of the pleasure planets where there's so much amazing natural beauty that you don't even really need the atmospheric aphrodisiacs.
I always saw the vinyard as more of a harmless eccentricity, like how Sisco's dad is a chef even though replicators are a thing.
I'm not counting Picard as a show by the way cos that was just weird.
“Oh, this land? This prime real estate on the capital world? You misunderstand, it’s just a hobby! that I have field hands and a giant manor is uh... coincidence!?” throws smoke bomb, runs away
I’m actually starting Picard now, I don’t really know what’s happening.
Picard starts promising but it just completely vanishes up its own arse whilst simeltaniously turning into a hack and slash action packed drama. It doesn't work really.
Not my job to educate you - READ DUKAT.
#Tankies4Cardassia #DukatDidNothingWrong
Cardassians are unequivocally fash, tho.
Both the empire and the Cardassian liberation front.
Damar turned because he was personally slighted.The Breen have a horniness-based economy. That's why their leaders are called Thots and nobody has ever seen under their suits (without paying for the Only fans)
