Do you think they'll ever come to their senses and actively campaign against the EC/Two-party system in future or are you normal?
The democrats will tell us that the voters have spoken, and they've clearly said that the democratic party is out of touch with the american people. The democratic party must move further right, and no longer associate with such left wing radicals as the lincoln project.
The whole point of nominating Joe fucking Biden was their attempt to move as far to the right as they possibly could.
In 2024 they'll be running Mitt Romney against Crenshawn, Cotton or whatever fascist comes out the woodwork.
If you don't think both candidates in 2024 will be ex-wrestlers or ex-movie stars then you underestimate Merica
There was this coalition of corporate Democrats and Never Trump Republicans who got together and did some "war games" to play out different outcomes of the 2020 election. The coalition was called the Transitional Integrity Project, and they put out a report that documented their findings. It's interesting to read, if only to get a feel for what the dems are planning for.
In response to your question, the report details something interesting about the electoral college. Basically, dems understand that people are fed up with it, but in the case that trump wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote, they are planning to use that outrage to "overturn certified results in states with Democratic Governors and [negotiate] hard for permanent structural reforms in exchange for recognition of a Trump victory" (8).
The democrats know that people will be angry and fed up with the system if trump wins. They are willing to concede to a trump win, despite any election fraud, just to reform the electoral college. They would prefer placating people with minor reforms (who even says that the reforms will work?) because that will allow them to continue to rule with the illusion of democratic consent, instead of facing whatever revolutionary fury that a trump win might inspire in liberal democrats
"Revolutionary fury" and "liberal democrats" are oxymorons. To be a Liberal in 2020 means that you rabidly support existing institutions and trust the media.
"Revolutionary fury" can align with existing institutions and media. It's called a color revolution.
The "Never Trump" Republicans are more of a myth created by the liberal media than anything else.
He has an over 90% approval rating with Republicans. Currently at 94% making him the most popular GOP president since Reagan.
Democrats are fucking idiots and spent the last 10 years whitewashing George W Bush to the point they are convinced all they have to do is run their very own version of Bush in Biden and that it will attract those middle class suburban white people they want to vote for them so bad that they failed to reach when they ran Hillary.
yeah im aware that never trump republicans are nonexistent / irrelevant, i was just reporting on what the coalition said it was made up of
“overturn certified results in states with Democratic Governors and [negotiate] hard for permanent structural reforms in exchange for recognition of a Trump victory” (8).
Yea I don't see that happening
i assume it'll happen eventually. we are slowly creeping towards the whole system exploding. the electoral college, the supreme court, the senate -- all of these things are gonna have to go in order for bourgeois democracy to function. the alternative is communist revolution. 10-20 years maybe?
but they have absolutely no mechanism or plan for how they’d do that, as they decry anything more radical than a quiet, candle-lit procession lead by cops after getting a license for protesting three weeks in advance from the town hall
When we're talking to libs about how useless this is, we need to:
- Be careful to talk in terms of "the limits of voting," not in terms like "well of course voting is useless in a bourgeois democracy." They're going to be more receptive to a small step left than a giant leap, they'll have time to take further steps later, and the pro-voting propaganda in this country is so pervasive that it makes little sense to open by challenging it head-on.
- Have a plan for what specific acts of non-electoral politics to do, and what they can accomplish. No one is going to listen to "voting isn't all you can do, you know" if you never mention non-electoral strategies that seem workable.
they'll be at brunch and the theory nerds on here will be trying to convince us that we can radicalize them lol
"Trump outlawed Hollandaise sauce"
<sound of mimosa glass shattering>
the EC is a feature, not a bug. being in power leads to uncomfortable calls to deliver policy
Granted. I'm under no impression the dems ever wanted to win anything, as long as they keep getting billions in donations from Wall Street and gullible fucks they're good. I suppose by "Democrats" I mean their voter base of liberals.
Unless Biden wins like 99% of California and New York idk how that's possible
