America being largest producer of ‘culture’ and having such a large geopolitical influence means that lots of countries compares itself to it. Because of its cultural hegemony most people know what’s broadly going on in the US, this means that any criticism of your country is dismissed or lessened by ‘at least we’re not America lol’.

I live in Australia, if you discuss adding dental or mental health to Medicare for example, people will inevitably say ‘at least we aren’t America’.

In the Queensland election news coverage on the ABC tonight, the analyst mentioned how great it is that the election results are accepted and it’s it’s just another day in democracy, as opposed to the US where everyone is prepared for the election to be contested and there’s voter suppression. While this IS true, and I do appreciate living in a semi-social liberal democracy that functions closer to intended, this detracts from the issues we have, discourages improvement and makes people feel complacent and smug.

Thoughts?

EDIT: the police is a good example too, if you critique the police you’ll often get a response like:

‘come on mate, our police aren’t that bad, not like in America where they shoot every black person they see, and sometimes even non black people(!) just for the heck of it, and they get of scott free, shits fucked there mate we got it pretty good aye. AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE.’

  • Straight_Depth [they/them]
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    Completely agree. There's an odd inferiority/superiority complex amongst Anglo nations to compare themselves to the US in every aspect from racism to healthcare to foreign policy and imperialism. In the UK, they will happily insist they're "not racist" like they are in the US, whilst happily throwing bananas on the football pitch when a black player turns up.

    The same applies to healthcare where any critique or desire for improvement is deflected back to the guys who do it worse, i.e.; the US, whilst in the same breath selling off the NHS piecemeal to foreign investors. The UK is not a warmongering imperialist nation, they'll claim, whilst happily following the US in every foreign imperial boondoggle and pretend they were dragging their feet and forced into it. Never mind the ways imperialism can be performed without being at gunpoint.

    The most valid claims against the US have to do with its obsession with the state, the nationalism, the worship of its political figures and institutions which simply don't figure in Anglo discourse... Unless you mention the Royals, in which case it's basically sacrilege, treason, sedition and worthy of exile and death penalty.

    But all in all, the worst part of the critique comes in the form of what basically amounts to smug rubbing in of the better material conditions those nations are in at the expense of financially poor working-class Americans who have no desire to be in those conditions and have no way to escape or resolve them as the country is, by design, not a democracy, and has a vested owner class that controls every aspect of their social politics and economics. Ultimately, it abandons any pretense of international solidarity and makes them pat themselves on the back that they'll never be as bad as the US, and that therefore nothing needs to change, and that Americans are all ignorant and stupid bible-thumpers who want things to be this way (unlike the enlightened commonwealthers they are).

      • Magjee [any]
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        Almost everything in Canada gets compared to the States and we feel better about ourselves

        Healthcare

        Education

        Sure we are better there, but it's not good enough

        Racism? That we feel better, but I don't think we actually are

        • read_freire [they/them]
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          had a fun conversation with a canadain reactionary on facebook recently where they were whining about the american polarized discourse infecting canada (OP was about the sports wildcat strikes in support of BLM, their comment was about canadian hockey fans quitting the NHL)

          told them to ask the land defenders if black lives matter

          they took that as an opportunity to grandstand on how that's exactly what they were talking about, so I just replied w/ skoden

          • Magjee [any]
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            People are so fucking depressing

      • nowledge [none/use name]
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        thank you, came here to talk about canada. my drivers license says louisiana but i live in ontario. i haven't met this many ignorant rich white people since i drove through marin county.

        here in hamilton they spent two hours holding a cardboard sign supporting BLM, which is fine, but not one of them hires a black person, not one of them knows the name of First Nations leaders, and to boot almost all of them are islamophobic.

        the white ruling class of ontario is as corrupt and backwards as any southern state i've ever lived.

        • PavelBureOfficial [he/him]
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          Fuck we have the same opinions about Ontarians. It's actually disturbing how much Ontario is like a mini America, fuck I wanna go back to BC.

      • PavelBureOfficial [he/him]
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        The amount of colonialist denialism in this country is wild. And the related accepted distain of indigenous peoples.

        • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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          LOVE NGUBU, LOVE ME MISSUS, LOVE ME COUNTRY, LOVE BORIS. ATE JEREMY CORBYN, ATE NONCES, ATE TRANSGENDAHS, ATE TRAVELLERS, SIMPLE AS.

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    Germans do this all the time. Imagining that all Americans are fat and stupid and always carry McDonald's and an AR15 makes us feel sane, competent and relevant. There's a newer Simpsons episode where German backpackers live with the Simpsons and they just keep pestering Marge with what's wrong about the US, they just keep rattling down point after point like "problem nr. 34, no public health care, problem nr. 35, no metric system, problem nr." and it's so fucking true, both what they say and the smug, condescending delivery that's so routine that it's obvious how deeply that disgust at the ugly American is baked into our culture.

    On the other hand, we're completely dominated by American soft power - probably moreso than other non-Anglo Western nations, because our own cultural industry got so irreparably damaged by the nazis that we had barely begun to build it back up when pop culture as we know it today began to form. American bands where automatically considered cooler than German bands until wayyyyyy into the 90s, for example. Turns out it's hard to build a large rock scene when you've literally sent your jazz scene to the camps. German film and tv productions still lag behind the US standards, even 100 years after all the incredible talent in Babelsberg fled to Hollywood. I could say similar things about literature, painting, architecture. One consequence of fascism was that culturally, we went from cutting edge to nothing, and that vacuum was filled with the massive output of the American entertainment machinery. There's a reason the CIA sponsored foreign tours for jazz musicians in the 1950s.

    I have no idea where i'm going with this, so :amerikkka: :germany-cool:

    • Baader [he/him]
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      It's always crazy what people who fled the Nazis and their descendents achieved later in life.

      • MagisterSinister [he/him,comrade/them]
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        It is. But it's also a national pastime here to convince each other that we are now much smarter and morally upright than that (we aren't, btw).

    • furryanarchy [comrade/them,they/them]
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      The US (I don't think it's the CIA anymore, but it's still the state) still sponsors foreign tours for jazz musicians. In practice they mostly play shitty pop music. They call it "Freedom Tours" or something like that.

    • altacus [none/use name]
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      On the other hand, we’re completely dominated by American soft power - probably moreso than other non-Anglo Western nations

      I think you need to look to the West for a country more dominated by America

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    all the canadians i know, after i've criticized trudeau, have said "at least we're not america" or "better than trump!"

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    Na the US being such a low bar lowers the bar for the rest of the imperial core

    So everyone walks around sucking their own toes over the NHS in the UK whilst its been privatised to shit by Lab and Cons and the current CEO of the NHS also worked at United Health in the US

    So they've parcelled out the NHS to a million different providers and all they have to remove next is the "free at point of use" and the entire privatised framework is there

    But noone pays attention cos "the US has it so terribly"

    If tomorrow people were en masse eating and fucking each other in the streets you'd here europeans and Australasians go "yeah but in the US they're eating/fucking and shooting each other there"

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    In the other hand, in colonized mindsets like in latam you have: "murica good, big economy, big cars, big army, we need to get rid of any worker right, social safety net, socialized healthcare or public education to be like them". And gods burn in hell it works in a lot of idiots. That's the rightwing talking points, meanwhile the """center-left""" do as you say "look, at least we aren't torturing kids in deathcamps like the US"

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      Julia Gillard, former Australian prime minister, had a policy proposal to shift our small island camps for children to paying Malaysia ~1 million per refugee they took. The talking points are actually that the government is trying to reduce the number of deaths of asylum seekers coming to Australia...

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    And the ironic thing, as an American, is the sheer number of my fellow citizens who genuinely believe the USA is the greatest country in the world and the best place to live. I bet it's like 75% of US Americans that think like that.

    • garbology [he/him]
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      I bet it’s like 75% of US Americans

      According to a USA Today poll:
      32% the USA is "the greatest country in the world"
      28% the USA is "one of the greatest"
      12% the USA is "an average country"
      24% the USA "has fallen behind the other major countries of the world."
      3% the USA is "one of the worst."

      • star_wraith [he/him]
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        Huh. Well I stand corrected. These results are genuinely shocking to me. Probably because my social context is primarily white, reasonably comfortable, and religious.

        • garbology [he/him]
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          Well, among the GOP the "greatest" or "one of the greatest" goes from 60% to 87%, so if that's who you have to deal with, I could see why you got that impression.

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    Mental healthcare isn't covered universally in Australia? Wack, it is in the NHS even if it's shit and woefully underfunded.

    • Skinhn [they/them,any]
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      There's some liberal technocratic scheme where you can get ten sessions with a psychologist/psychiatrist with a mental health plan from a GP (currently 20 from covid).

  • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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    the american political system made feel better about the one in my country, i used to think my country was a fake democracy (oligarchy) and that why it had so much corruption, and now i see actually my country is a democracy a flaw one but one none the less, and the US is the un-democratic oligarchy

  • ethical_consumer_4 [he/him]
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    So I'm an American living in Aus for almost two years. In that time, I have become the token American for friends and strangers alike, an easy target for people who consume a lot of American political news and are looking for someone to practice with. And I'm always down, it's still interesting after all this time to hear an outside perspective.

    One thing I rarely hear, however, is that Australia is heading down the same conservative, corporate path that lead to the USs current state. In fact, the media makes Australia seem so much more batshit conservative than any Fox News dude, besides maybe Tucker Carlson.

    From what I've seen, Australians have a lot to be worried about, in ways that mirror the downfall of the US. A rapidly rightward marching Overton window, as well as consolidation of conservative power. A heightening of xenophobia that I find much more troubling than anything I'd seen in the US besides immediately post 9/11. An economy based on extraction of depleting resources. A population that finds it extremely easy to tune out activist voices. And let me tell you, many Australians DO NOT want to hear such things from an American, a lesson I learned early.

    All this rambling to say the US is a low bar yes, but it should serve as a warning how easy it is to get there, not as an example to laugh at. Australians are a lot closer to Americans than they think. I love yall, but be humble. Also, I'll take all this back if you just process my damn visa... Please...

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    Well bully for them then when China ascends to the hegemonic rule they will have to scramble to attain the standards of China!

  • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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    I'm just sitting here in New Zealand watching all the other countries struggle with corona and trying hard not to become a nationalist tbh