https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/1326517824358129665?s=20
Yeah because he knows if any competitors get to market first their vaccine is toast. Their vaccine has to be stored at -70 C, making it a distribution nightmare. The Moderna vaccine, which uses the same tech, only has to be kept at -20 C. Meanwhile the Johnson & Johnson adenovirus vaccine has no special storage requirements, as far as I can tell at least. This announcement was sketchy af.
Oh so it will be transported in liquid nitrogen and only people living near biotech research facilities will be able to have it. Nice
One of the researchers will spill chemical x into it and everyone who gets vaccinated will turn into one of the powerpuff girls
don't worry. Our capitalist overlords have enough money to transport plenty of the vaccine via private helicopter to themselves and their concubines. Oh the workers? no of course they don't get any.
"Our vaccine is the best as long as it is distributed and administered on Mars."
At first I was excited, then I read the part about the storage temps. Public distribution will be a nightmare. Plus it requires two doses about four weeks apart. Good luck getting people to follow through on that. It’s hard enough to get people to get their flu shot. Does anyone know if there’s a candidate that doesn’t require two doses?
Not for a while I think, there's stories popping up about mutations happening in norhtern europe so it's probably gonna be a two-dose vaccine until we're working on CoronaVax2.0. Also keep an eye out for when it's discovered the Dakotas are literal breeding grounds for this shit causing 3 new strains.
Oh my god imagine the hysteria when it's discovered Coronavirus is being carried and mutated by our feral hog population 0.0
Does anyone know if there’s a candidate that doesn’t require two doses?
There're a bunch. The main ones are UofOxford/AstraZeneca AZD1222 and the Chinese CanSinoBio Ad5-nCoV - both currently in phase 3. And there're half a dozen more single dose candidates, but I don't think any of them started trials. The majority are double dose, 2, 3, or even 4 weeks apart.
Lol yeah whenever I see a 'Evilcorp vaccine shows promise' headline part of me wonders if I'll be reading it on scraps of newspaper I'm shoving into my boots to keep warm in a couple of years time while I prepare to go out and man the watchtower.
"Critical analysis" is not "shitting on them". Any socialist (or, hell, anyone interested in politics at all) should be critical about everything they believe in.
I agree, didn't know where you were coming from with it since you were comparing them to modern Russia which seemed a bit unfair.
oh no boo hoo america is the great satan go fuck yourself chud fuck
I don't want the Chinese or the Cuban one, I just want a fucking vaccine that works, be it Russian, Chinese, American or Somali. I think that anyone who doesn't think that way is weird, and the conspiracy brain around this issue verges on anti vaxx shit and people should really stop it.
Is there a database of the evil shit Pfizer has done? Or just a place I can read about it other than the "controversies" section on Wikipedia?
Dude if a company released a shit COVID vaccine the backlash would obliterate them lol
ESPECIALLY if it was harmful too. It would be something beyond bad for them, given how things are.
Literally the first people in line for a vaccine are exactly the people you don't want to give a faulty one
Partly because this hasn't cast doubt on their competence. Like, they may be evil as shit, but that doesn't mean their medicine is bad, or doesn't work, or unreliable, or anything like that. It does what it is supposed to do, reliably. But also it has been pushed hard on people to make them addicted. Literally the first people who will be vaccinated are the people prescribing the medicine. If you give them a shit vaccine, they'll be pissed at you, and it won't be just that you did something evil, you stained your reputation irreparably and now everyone knows you as that company that makes unreliable stuff. If there is an alternative to your medicine everyone will want the alternative, and doctors will be mad at you too so that's what they're gonna prescribe.
They mean, all the other vaccines that aren't about COVID. How people can (rightfully) shit on antivaxxers but then go ahead and say "yeah well I don't trust these evilcorp vaccines" which is the exact same thing antivaxxers say anyways just confuses me.
It's just we have never been in these circumstances with a vaccine before.
Corporations under immense financial and political pressure aren't exactly known to come through as a shining example of human welfare lol
Yeah the financial incentive to be first is mind-bendingly immense in this instance, perhaps the largest potential payout ever in history because 100% of the world needs this vaccine. I absolutely expect all sorts of corners to be cut left and right
Have you considered the consequences of delivering a faulty and especially a dangerous vaccine? No doctor will want to prescribe anything by them any more and no patient will want to get it either, their stonks will collapse, and that's even if they manage to completely avoid any legal repercussions, which under these circumstances is not to be taken for granted.
Or:
They make unfathomable amounts of money, and the C suite squirrels away enough of it to set them up for a thousand lifetimes. When problems emerge, they're years down the road and there's a concerted effort to muddy the waters by pointing to other preexisting conditions. You also see corporate propaganda campaigns to paint the problems as "it was the best we could do" and "it was better than nothing," despite cut corners, buried red flags, and a profit-driven rush to market. The stock price takes a dip on the initial news but quickly recovers as we live in a country where corporations get away with crimes this big all the time.
Not true? I'm talking about a hypothetical scenario. "Not true" makes no sense.
There are plenty of dangerous products where problems crop up years in the future, anyway.
I thought you were making a statement that when problems emerge, they are usually years down the road, which isn't true in general. Sometimes it happens, but there is little you can do for that, even if production wasn't accelerated, if problems showed up after 10 years you wouldn't catch them. Like, yeah, such products exist, but it's rare (and usually has to do with long term exposure, not a one off thing like a vaccine, there has never been a vaccine the negative effects of which took years to show up) and it's definitely not the standard we should be operating on in general because then we'd be fucked.
I agree. It's unlikely they'd intentionally release a bad product.
I think I'm more of the mind that it'll be more of a pump up the stock with hype situation, like this one, and we'll be stuck hearing about new breakthroughs for another year before anything actually happens.
Yes, I do think there is gonna be plenty of false hype. But I don't think whatever comes out will be untrustworthy. It is in no one's interests (no one who matters here at least). And I don't think we should be casting doubt because there's gonna be a serious wave of antivaxxers when it comes out and it's gonna fucking wreck us.
Sputnik V seems to be slightly easier to store and administer en masse so far. It still requires like -20 degrees and two doses, but I would guess that's better than - 70 degrees and two doses, plus they seem to have managed to vaccinate a lot of people already. I'm pretty pissed about how the EU and Western media in general are trying to cast doubt on it as if it is any riskier than the western alternatives could be. Eventually there is gonna be a one dose, room temperature vaccine but until then, I hope the people who are most in need do end up doing Sputnik V or whichever it's gonna be and our countries don't get shitty about it.
All vaccines can be used for soft eugenics if you put a price tag on them
I don't really follow vaccine news closely, but wasn't world's scientific and medical community shitting on the Russian vaccine because it was expedited? What's the situation with the German one?
Because there's been plenty of literature and huge double blind studies backing them. It stands to reason that if you don't trust companies making vaccines, why aren't you at least perusing their output?
Also vaccine availability is how the western colonial project will manifest itself (we already got cute a priori justifications that explain why the first world will receive the vaccine at least a whole year ahead from the rest of the world) not by the effectiveness of the vaccine itself. Sorry, it's a rude awakening and all, I know Cuba is pretty good at vaccine development and medical research but they simply cannot leverage the massive budget a worldwide vaccine trial demands
Bruh, vaccine testing hasn't been deregulated, in fact it is the opposite. You do sound anti vaxx lol.
Lmao "I'm not antivaxx but I don't trust vaccines coming from the west" where the fuck do you think most vaccines you do come from? Do you think the vaccines you got as a kid came from Cuba?
Jesus these takes are legit dangerous, stop with the smooth brain conspiracy shit.
Ah, so I guess the Chinese vaccines aren't "rushed" at all then. Not to mention the Russian vaccine.
ALL covid vaccines will be somewhat rushed. This doesn't mean they didn't go through a proper process. In some senses the process is only as long as it is to appease antivaxxers and strengthen trust, as well as putting fewer resources behind them. There is always some danger, yes, but what you and the other smooth brain posts here are doing is (intentionally or unintentionally) strengthening the antivaxx wave that's gonna be so fucking hard to deal with when the vaccine eventually comes.
What really freaks me out is that because of the death cult that is hyperindividualism, the Western countries will be completely unable to force people to actually get vaccinated once we have a working vaccine. Europe and America are swarming with antivaxxers and coronatruthers.
Yeah as others have mentioned the storage temps and dosing are completly at odds with the bullshit we are being fed that this could actually work as a general purpose vaccine for everyone.
It'd be OK for vaccinating hospital staff, care workers and maybe those especially vulnerable and even then it won't work for 1 in 10 of them.
It's ridiculous how excited they're trying to get everyone over this and frankly it's kinda dangerous. Loads of people are gonna stop reading at 'vaccine' and start just acting like everything is solved.
Which is how it typically goes for sales of stock when you possess insider info. That said, AFAIK nothing details when you can or can't release information pertaining to things like a potential vaccine that would help stop an ongoing plague (and there is nothing that would stop you from releasing that info like, say, the day before or of you selling off vast amounts of stock)
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Doesn't anyone have a link to the study? I checked clinicaltrails.gov and they have no posted results.
No because it was a press release not an actual study. People are getting way too ahead of themselves on this.
Well, I'm not going to put my hopes in it then. Without knowing likelihood of exposure I don't know how they would get the 90% number.
