https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1326969135826427906
Bernie secretly planning a communist revolution in Vermont after trump steals the election.
unrelated but do you think the congressional reps get searched for weapons
Christ here we go again. There should just be an AOC struggle session community people can opt into.
I really wish that we had a hide post feature like reddit so I can get away from the struggle session.
There was a ‘is necrophilia Marxist’ discourse on left Twitter some months ago.
Get you a woman who looks at you the way AOC looks at Joe mansion
From Today:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/525725-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tweets-displeasure-of-manchin-after-he-attacks-crazy-socialist
He knows about it, he just understands that it's completely irrelevant in 2020 West Virginia in the same way the Womens Temperance League is.
True, though I have visited it twice in the last two months. Very pretty mountains
West Virginia’s one of my favorite states to visit when I’m down south, it’s beautiful and so much more fun to drive through compared to Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Do people consider WV the south? Also yeah, it's gorgeous. I think PA has some very nice places too though. I worked on a jobsite in State College and the drive up was beautiful
Lol I suppose it’s not the South, but that and VA are the farthest south I’ve ever gone.
Lol yeah I guess some people think Maryland is the south too because of the Mason-Dixon line. Tbh, even VA is barely "southern" anymore, at least culturally. NC is where you start to get southern accents. I need to visit more of the North tbh. I've been to every state up the coasts and IL and OH but nothing like the time I've spent down south.
He probably considers those guys as the enemy he wants to be choked out forever
There is simply no point in improving people's lives if it isn't in pursuit of socialism
Those are all reasons not to limit ourselves to social reforms, none of them come close to saying that there's no point doing them in the first place
Her politics are largely limited to social reforms. That is bad. The social reforms are good.
I don't know or care if AOC is a socialist, and why would that mean I'm not allowed to support her when she wants to improve people's lives? What is this definition of "support" where it means you have to adopt someone's entire worldview and follow them to your dying breath
So are you just arguing for accelerationism then? I think it's good if people have housing and healthcare rather than dying, and maybe even some of those people, partially freed from some of the burdens of life under capitalism, will be more likely to develop a class consciousness.
edit: and when it comes to "siphoning revolutionary energy," I've seen plenty of cases of people who were brought into politics as social democrats by Bernie and AOC becoming full socialists, but not even one full socialist who was convinced by Bernie or AOC that actually we can just do reforms and that's fine.
I'm confused by what you're saying here. It's fine to want social reforms? That's all I'm saying, that social reforms are good and should be supported. Or do you mean it's only fine to want them after capitalism? In which case, that sounds like accelerationism to me, and besides after capitalism they'll mostly be irrelevant.
And of course, to be a socialist you have to want to dissolve capitalism. When I say socialists, I mean specifically people who do critique Bernie and AOC for their reformism; someone who doesn't critique social democracy for preserving capitalism is not a socialist. But, someone who is a socialist can work with and appreciate social democrats, without sharing their belief that a social democracy is sufficient.
it’s not necessary to support AOC’s brand of politics
It's not necessary to agree with it, it's not even necessary to support it, but I think it's a very good idea to give it (critical) support, if only because it has potential to alleviate a lot of suffering.
So yes, it is worth it, and no, it is not necessary
I think she's a DemSoc who believes she's a socialist because of the reasons you mentioned
cold war propaganda about socialism being free health care and public education
doesn't cold war propaganda say that socialism is when you are a slave to the government that has total control over your life?
exactly, then add the two together, healthcare = socialisms = you are a slave therefore only slaves have free healthcare
She wants things that are good, who gives a shit if she's a "real socialist"?
Also AOC: You're wrong Mr Manchin, we're going to establish socialism in America with free healthcare for everyone as an option and cheap or free college and other things. Now if you excuse me I have to get back to my meeting on how to destabilize China and what new propaganda we're going to release on Bolivia and Venezuela to attempt to undermine them in preparation for the coups we have planned there. What? Internationalism? What? Anti-imperialism, that's red fash talk sweetie. Don't you know America comes first?
Socialism is when you promise people they will get healthcare funded by superprofits extracted from the global south but like hypothetically in the future someday.
Fuck you liberal. Socialism without internationalism, without anti-imperialism, without solidarity is just labor aristocracy and extra privilege for one set of people over the rest of the world. A condition that already exists in the US but which collaborators like you, who do not truly want capitalism abolished so much as a larger share of the spoils, want to defend and expand. Again fuck you Amerikkkan chauvinist. The world is more than your domestic concerns at the heart of your evil empire.
Unlike Bernie I doubt she was ever anything but a liberal appropriating revolutionary sounding rhetoric to get power.
And she cannot lift the boot off the American people's neck, it is a boot they are invested in as they benefit from imperialism under capitalism. Even if they did not she could not lift it because you cannot do that through reformism. You cannot reform away capitalism or its brutality. I hate saying this but please just read theory, any fucking theory from Lenin.
