I mean, Shapiro is not technically wrong in that specific post.
It is tedious how these right-wing nuts keep saying "the left is going to force-fem all men!"
And meanwhile about equal numbers transition MtF as FtM.
And is not like MtF transition ever convinced us to be less "strong" in any meaningful sense.
People should be louder about calling out the association of femininity with weakness for the blatant misogyny that it is.
Hasan deserves to be dunked here, body shaming is not helpful, and not creative either.
He's just recycling Shapiro's own self-deprecation: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1083015927921225728
Hasan is boring, I don't know why any of you care about this bougie blue checkmark g*mer.
Because you're not hurting their feelings, dipshit.
You're screaming into the void and hurting people next to you. If I start going on Twitter and saying that "Blaire White isn't a woman, he's a man and always will be" who do you think that hurts?
"Haha, really owned them this time. Bet that really hurt their feelings."
You think this hurts Shapiro's feelings? That's adorable. That guy has thicker skin than the average Chapo.
He has been taking abuse like this day in and day out for years. This is what Shapiro does at the end of the day.
Edit: Shapiro has a net worth of maybe $25 million.
I've only ever watched him during presidential debates or other "big" events like that, and he's always entertaining there. Analyzing, ranting, shouting, and all that. It's fun to watch. If that's not how he normally is then yeah idk why people watch him
edit: wait im a dumb bimbo, i do know why people watch him. hes hot
Most of the time when I hear people talk about how they're "too old to understand streaming" the problem is that they're trying to like, pay attention and absorb the stream. That's not how you do it.
i can think of like at least 20 other things id rather listen to in the background than somebody who thinks their opinion means anything because they have a twitch stream, to be honest. i still don't get it.
Yeah I put him on during the days after the election when I wanted to hear more commentary but he doesn't really provide any unique or interesting insight. It's probably good for young people or gamer chuds trying to figure out their politics though.
im tiny and cute now after transitioning, ben shapiro is seething
and yeah u right, like i know a handful of ftms that would take umbrage at this and maybe make a post or two in transgendercirclejerk about it. i do wonder whether or not its a good idea to do dunks like this to bring low brow people into left wing shit through gradual education, e.g. preying on their toxic masculinity for good, but idk
I get where you're coming from, but in my experience at least "toxic masculinity"/"masculinity threat" just pushes people into more self-hating and reactionary or extremist beliefs.
And to me it seems analogous to "preying on their racism for good"... by making racist insults... rather not?
Hasan was not even making any coherent argument:
Diversity of physical traits exists within binary categories of sexual dimorphism, therefore be more open minded about gender expression.
This type of non-sequitur is something Shapiro's audience are practically trained to recognize.
The piece missing in Hasan's argument is something like "intersex of the brain" but he doesn't want to go there.
And reality is unfortunately not that simple either.
Or reading it differently: Shapiro insults people for their "choices", while Hasan was insulting for physical traits outside of their control.
This is why most left-liberals are worthless allies: they are all about accepting everything (including abuse, ableism, imperialism, etc) but fail to understand or explain much of anything.
And that is by design. If people have stronger beliefs that are grounded in actually understanding things they become much harder to manipulate via propaganda.
Again, the most productive course of argument, in our opinion, is specifically to undermine "masculinity threat", to alleviate rather than reinforce their self-hatred; i.e. gender is false dichotomy, femininity as weakness is misogyny.
Far too many reactionaries use right-wing, cisheteropatriarchal, and White supremacist beliefs as a kind of salve to alleviate pain and anxiety; such ideologies are like delusions of grandeur, a defense mechanism, aka copium.
To remove the belief, first remove what makes it necessary to them. Motivated reasoning can be nearly impossible to contend with; to the point where people can even dissociate/repress things.
Also being tiny and cute doesn't mean you're weak; and specifically doesn't mean you're weak in that sense that Shapiro was referring to.
Society does not need "strong men to carry the heavy things", we have cranes and machines for that; Shapiro means strength in the gender identity sense of being willing to take on confrontation, moral courage, resilience, that kind of shit.
Worth noting that recent Chinese propaganda specifically focuses on clarifying things like "femboys are not weak in the moral sense".
Because that is the sense of masculinity (as social role that boys are taught) that Shapiro operates with, insults about his appearance land nowhere near it.
Even if Shapiro's followers were hurt, they simply reinforce their socially-constructed toxic masculinity (that defines itself largely in opposition to femininity) and become more callous to compensate for their supposed insufficiency.
In fact, this is how the /r/StupidPol-sausage gets made; they specifically construe LGBTQ people as mentally ill and morally weak which is evidenced by over-sensitivity about misogyny/ableism/body-shaming.
To to quote fashy troll cuckfucker93: "pussy whining about decorum like a lib"
In addition to that, much of transphobia/queerphobia is rooted in disgust based intuitive thinking; many reactionaries specifically moralize about LGBTQ issues, which is all bound up in disgust circuity.
It is the opposite of helpful to reinforce/reactivate these kinds of (subconscious) networks by associating appearance and femininity with insults and aversion.
Again the analogy of "preying on their racism for good" is applicable.
Emasculation is always reactionary. :gui-better:
Hasan's approach to Shapiro makes it look like he doesn't know anything about how reactionaries think at all.
I get the intent behind the post, and I don't think it holds the same ill will that a lot of Shapiro height jokes seem to have, but I still think it's best to stay away from this stuff.
This is less a dunk and more stating that, despite their physical differences, Shapiro and Hassan are both equally men.
Still the sheer glee some people here take on these kind of insults just bums me out. I'm a cis male and I even I feel like some people don't think I'm a real man, can't even begin to think how transpeople cope with this stuff.
I mean, Shapiro is not technically wrong in that specific post.
It is tedious how these right-wing nuts keep saying "the left is going to force-fem all men!"
And meanwhile about equal numbers transition MtF as FtM.
And is not like MtF transition ever convinced us to be less "strong" in any meaningful sense.
People should be louder about calling out the association of femininity with weakness for the blatant misogyny that it is.
Hasan deserves to be dunked here, body shaming is not helpful, and not creative either.
He's just recycling Shapiro's own self-deprecation: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1083015927921225728
Hasan is boring, I don't know why any of you care about this bougie blue checkmark g*mer.
no pls dont be mean to ben shapiro thats mean!
Dude, these people are jackals, they aint your friend. If body shaming works to make em feel bad? Do it. Anything that works
If you'll recall, this is the rehashing of one of the classic struggle sessions.
Rounding out the countdown at number 10, it's The Strugglers with "Can you make fun of Ben Shapiro for being short"
idk its more that people who have those issues among us see it and internalize it. so its more of a self own
I mean that's on them is it not
so if a transphobe calls me he, its on me that i dont like that?
I fyou don't know em and the opinion of some rando bothers you that much? Yeah
try again
Because you're not hurting their feelings, dipshit.
You're screaming into the void and hurting people next to you. If I start going on Twitter and saying that "Blaire White isn't a woman, he's a man and always will be" who do you think that hurts?
"Haha, really owned them this time. Bet that really hurt their feelings."
sorry making fun of short guys hurt your feelings, i'm 5'6 so I wouldn't know about that;)
(maybe stop being a pussy, it's unnatractive and leads to ruin)
You think this hurts Shapiro's feelings? That's adorable. That guy has thicker skin than the average Chapo.
He has been taking abuse like this day in and day out for years. This is what Shapiro does at the end of the day.
Edit: Shapiro has a net worth of maybe $25 million.
not saying much lol
Ok but I find it funny. I'd like to enjoy it without some pussy whining about decorum like a lib
who has time for thinking about how your pussy comrades might be impacted? i just wanna DUNK
I have no feelings towards pussies. they wanna whine about decorum and shit they can do it with the liberal bluechecks at the nyt
hell yeah boiiii
fuck everyone i dont give a fuuuuuck
yup
South Park brain
the second best brain compared to the brain ur mum gave me last night
lol
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I've only ever watched him during presidential debates or other "big" events like that, and he's always entertaining there. Analyzing, ranting, shouting, and all that. It's fun to watch. If that's not how he normally is then yeah idk why people watch him
edit: wait im a dumb bimbo, i do know why people watch him. hes hot
case closed
Most of the time when I hear people talk about how they're "too old to understand streaming" the problem is that they're trying to like, pay attention and absorb the stream. That's not how you do it.
Yeah I’m old I guess, so you just put it on in the background and kind of half listen? I have been doing it wrong I think
i can think of like at least 20 other things id rather listen to in the background than somebody who thinks their opinion means anything because they have a twitch stream, to be honest. i still don't get it.
I'm talking about streamers in general not just Hasan
yes, me too.
I'd say their opinions matter about as much as any other rando
And I'm including the ones that just like play video games
i'm precious with my time
that's why i'm on chapo.chat
Yeah like broadcast TV but free
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Yeah I put him on during the days after the election when I wanted to hear more commentary but he doesn't really provide any unique or interesting insight. It's probably good for young people or gamer chuds trying to figure out their politics though.
im tiny and cute now after transitioning, ben shapiro is seething
and yeah u right, like i know a handful of ftms that would take umbrage at this and maybe make a post or two in transgendercirclejerk about it. i do wonder whether or not its a good idea to do dunks like this to bring low brow people into left wing shit through gradual education, e.g. preying on their toxic masculinity for good, but idk
I get where you're coming from, but in my experience at least "toxic masculinity"/"masculinity threat" just pushes people into more self-hating and reactionary or extremist beliefs.
And to me it seems analogous to "preying on their racism for good"... by making racist insults... rather not?
Hasan was not even making any coherent argument:
Diversity of physical traits exists within binary categories of sexual dimorphism, therefore be more open minded about gender expression.
This type of non-sequitur is something Shapiro's audience are practically trained to recognize.
The piece missing in Hasan's argument is something like "intersex of the brain" but he doesn't want to go there.
And reality is unfortunately not that simple either.
Or reading it differently: Shapiro insults people for their "choices", while Hasan was insulting for physical traits outside of their control.
This is why most left-liberals are worthless allies: they are all about accepting everything (including abuse, ableism, imperialism, etc) but fail to understand or explain much of anything.
And that is by design. If people have stronger beliefs that are grounded in actually understanding things they become much harder to manipulate via propaganda.
Again, the most productive course of argument, in our opinion, is specifically to undermine "masculinity threat", to alleviate rather than reinforce their self-hatred; i.e. gender is false dichotomy, femininity as weakness is misogyny.
Far too many reactionaries use right-wing, cisheteropatriarchal, and White supremacist beliefs as a kind of salve to alleviate pain and anxiety; such ideologies are like delusions of grandeur, a defense mechanism, aka copium.
To remove the belief, first remove what makes it necessary to them. Motivated reasoning can be nearly impossible to contend with; to the point where people can even dissociate/repress things.
Also being tiny and cute doesn't mean you're weak; and specifically doesn't mean you're weak in that sense that Shapiro was referring to.
Society does not need "strong men to carry the heavy things", we have cranes and machines for that; Shapiro means strength in the gender identity sense of being willing to take on confrontation, moral courage, resilience, that kind of shit.
Worth noting that recent Chinese propaganda specifically focuses on clarifying things like "femboys are not weak in the moral sense".
Because that is the sense of masculinity (as social role that boys are taught) that Shapiro operates with, insults about his appearance land nowhere near it.
Even if Shapiro's followers were hurt, they simply reinforce their socially-constructed toxic masculinity (that defines itself largely in opposition to femininity) and become more callous to compensate for their supposed insufficiency.
In fact, this is how the /r/StupidPol-sausage gets made; they specifically construe LGBTQ people as mentally ill and morally weak which is evidenced by over-sensitivity about misogyny/ableism/body-shaming.
To to quote fashy troll cuckfucker93: "pussy whining about decorum like a lib"
In addition to that, much of transphobia/queerphobia is rooted in disgust based intuitive thinking; many reactionaries specifically moralize about LGBTQ issues, which is all bound up in disgust circuity.
It is the opposite of helpful to reinforce/reactivate these kinds of (subconscious) networks by associating appearance and femininity with insults and aversion.
Again the analogy of "preying on their racism for good" is applicable.
Emasculation is always reactionary. :gui-better:
Hasan's approach to Shapiro makes it look like he doesn't know anything about how reactionaries think at all.
neat
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This deserves to be it's own top level post, excellent work comrade!
yeah i love coming to chapo dot chat to be reminded how the world views me as less than a man
super helpful discourse for those of us with body insecurities
this is definitely alienating for some of us, but whatever, we're clearly the minority here
aS lOnG aS iT gRoWs OuR bAsE wE cAn BoDy ShAmE
petition to turn /c/main into transgendercirclejerk redux
I get the intent behind the post, and I don't think it holds the same ill will that a lot of Shapiro height jokes seem to have, but I still think it's best to stay away from this stuff.
This is less a dunk and more stating that, despite their physical differences, Shapiro and Hassan are both equally men.
Still the sheer glee some people here take on these kind of insults just bums me out. I'm a cis male and I even I feel like some people don't think I'm a real man, can't even begin to think how transpeople cope with this stuff.
We're going to force-fem Shapiro specifically. Honestly there's not a lot of work to be done.
She would be kinda cute not gonna lie.
But we really do not need another Blaire White.
Yeah, in hindsight, excesses were committed here.
I mean she would just be Abby Shapiro
preach