not only are beans healthier, we have the technology to perfectly recreate meat and should replace all livestock industry with it

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    Being leftist because you want to end human suffering, but not wanting to end animal suffering - this is the contradiction Mao was talking about

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      Growing gourmet mushrooms is easy enough to do it in the kitchen year-round and your price per pound is much lower than store-bought. Mycogang mycogang

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          So the generalities between actives and culinary mushrooms are pretty similar. Both are usually saprophytes/wood-decaying fungi which need a source of cellulose and 80% relative humidity. You'll fruit them in different ways, but you can grow out the colonies in the same fashion using the same basic techniques.

          First you'll want to go to r/mushroomgrowers, the big culinary one. r/mycobazaar is the culinary spore subreddit where you can get liquid cultures of most species and growing supplies if you don't have a pressure cooker. Personally I buy from u/mushies81 and haven't had a problem with contaminated syringes. To start out, I'd look for a species/strain of Pleurotus ostreatus, the oyster mushroom. It's very easy to grow, adds a great bacon taste to eggs and pasta, and they fruit well indoors. Blue oysters will do well in the cold season, black pearl oysters have the texture of Pleurotus eryngii which give them more versatility in the kitchen, pink oysters don't last as long but grow very fast. A liquid culture/LC is going to have about 10 colonies' worth of 1ml inoculations and stores in the fridge for months.

          Next you'll want to start those colonies. Use the uncle ben tek. It's more expensive than the horse oats I use but doing your own grain spawns only becomes economical if you know you like fungiculture. Inject the LCs, cut an air-exchange hole in the top, cover the hole with micropore tape, sit it on a counter and wait for about two weeks for it to start shrinking inward as the mature colony consumes its food source. When it's done and you see mycelium overtake the bottom of the bag, you'll want to build a fruiting chamber for which I recommend Bod's Unmodified Monotub Tek. That can be constructed in your kitchen or bedroom, just using a spray bottle a couple times a day to maintain humidity, and houses about 2-3 colonies.

          Fruiting is where it becomes a little tricky. Your best bet if you live in an area with agriculture is to get a hay bale for like $8 and then create straw logs. For those you only need to pasteurise the straw rather than sterilising it so it's very easy to work with. What I do is cut open my grain colony, inspect it for any sign of contamination (discolouration, different textures, sweet/sour smells), and then layer it in a grow bag with the pasteurised straw. Then I place three of those in the monotub and let them colonise for another two weeks or so. When the bags are fully mature, I cut holes around the sides every 3-4 inches. They'll fruit 3-5 times over the course of another month or so before contamination, usually one of these and especially that blue trich, ruins the fruiting potential. At that point I use the mycelliated straw either in my garden where it decomposes detritus and creates new mushrooms or as food for my worm composter.

          From there it's just a matter of dialing in the right parameters and right substrates for whatever species you want. The only ones you won't know how to grow are mycorrhizal ones like morels/chanterelles which require a living tree. Actives are grown on the same grain colonies and spawned to the floor of that monotub with a layer of coconut coir/gypsum, lion's mane and king oysters are grown on sawdust blocks, if you have access to freshly cut hardwood logs you can grow shiitake/maitake/chicken of the woods outdoors using wooden dowels- works great for urban gardeners without soil. Some species like chestnuts/enoki/king oysters/beech grow well in jars so I just line a tub with those.

          Now if you were to accidentally grow actives in that same tub, with one tub you can have enough to microdose for a year or more. With a couple the cost of psilocybin is so negligible that I just give it away to anyone in my life who is receptive and would benefit from it.

          edit: Oh, and this book. This is the book. 500+ pages of every species you can grow, everything about them including specific parameters. Highly recommended if you pick up the hobby as I refer to it with every new colony.

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              Yep! Hopefully it works out. Plants are great in their own right but fungiculture is special. It's an alien ant colony that gives you meat and medicine if you keep it healthy.

  • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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    We should carry out a mass culling of livestock to save the environment. Just every single farm animal put out of its misery. Then the outdoor cats...

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      this is why im an ecologist and not a vegan because i agree with this unironically

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          First they came for the Outdoor Cats, and I did not speak out, because I was not an extinction enabler

            • Woly [any]
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              The prey in areas that have native wild cats are adapted to surviving said cats. The problem with non-native cats being let out into the environment is that the local wildlife is not accustomed to staying away from a predator like that, so they get gobbled up 🥺

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          That depends, how long before you people obsessed with outdoor cats start actively flirting with eco-fascism?

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          Nah, that'd pretty much do it. With outdoor cats gone native predators would reassert themselves and native bird populations would begin to recover. Of course we'd also want to aggressively cull non-native bird species that compete with native species.

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      I like how this is completely contradictory to the other vegans here who want to end animal suffering. I wouldn't be surprised if someone here believes both.

      Also, what's the difference between:

      We should carry out a mass culling of livestock to save the environment.

      and

      We should carry out a mass culling of humans to save the environment.

      Why is one eco-fascism and the other isn't?

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        Because cows, no matter how much the vegans piss and moan, are not people. The only morally correct and principled stance that is totally throughgoingly consistent is to kill yourself or starve to death if you truly, sincerely believe that you have no right to cause harm to another being in order to survive. Plants scream chemical screams when you pick them. They share nutrients with their children. Asserting that plants are meaningfully different that animals is simply chauvinism.

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          Plants scream chemical screams when you pick them.

          Do they orgasm when you pull their ripe fruit tho? Or do they nut?

        • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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          Asserting that plants are meaningfully different that animals is simply chauvinism

          but humans are different from animals?

          • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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            What is it that makes animals different from plants allowing you to eat one but not the other?

            • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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              animals feel pain? Have feelings?

              you really sound like a chud when arguing like that you know

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                Plants scream chemical screams when you pick them.

                How is that not feeling pain?

                • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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                  because to feel something plants would need to have a central nervous system. There's no fundamental difference between animals and humans, we just feel superior for some reason. Plants are completely different

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          I can't tell if this is ironic, but I unironically agree.

      • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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        I want to ensure animal suffering. Those little shits are farting up our atmosphere 😠

    • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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      or just... stop constantly breeding them? Let the ones who are alive right now die from old age and never replace them?

  • Civility [none/use name]
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    This is a ridiculous take,

    While beans are inarguably more land, water and nutrient efficient than livestock for food production purposes, they're still far less efficient than say, designer algae, as well as being far more soil and climate dependent. If you're going to go to all the effort of completely revamping humanities food production system, beans are not the way to go.

    The real reason they first spring to mind as the replacement for livestock is western vegan cultural chauvinism. Beans are a significant icon in current industrialised capitalist vegan society and the attempt to make this icon of ones own culture a mandatory staple for all of humanity is tribalistic cultural chauvinism at its most base.

    Fuck beans. Humanity has progressed beyond the need for beans.

    • Woly [any]
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      Humanity has progressed beyond the need for beans.

      All of the entire world would like to have a word with you.

    • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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      The real reason they first spring to mind as the replacement for livestock is western vegan cultural chauvinism.

      Aren't beans and similar plants even more prominent in the global south, with what sort is most prominent depending on the local climate? It's mostly in American cooking that they're rare or reduced to some revolting, poorly cooked side dish.

      That said I can't imagine there's anywhere they take on a similar prominence as meat has in the American diet, they're just a common addition to food because what they bring to a dish is generally good.

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    Black bean burgers are not a meat substitute, they are simply black bean burgers.

    Why must we coerce a smol bean into being meat? Why can't we let beans be beans?

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    perfectly recreate meat

    With beans? No, you don't. "Good enough" for a vegan isn't perfect for a meat eater who isn't going to stop unless they can get something that has the exact same taste and texture.

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      Yes with beans. They can be hsed for so.e thjngs directly but like, to grow those lab meats (that litterally ARE meat) needs substrates with lots of proteins. Beans can be the source of that.

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        We can decrease excess consumption without abandoning meat entirely though. You are way more likely to get people on board with "less NY strip, more beans" than "no NY strip, all beans, also no milk products".

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      Vegans are idiots. The correct route to abandoning meat is to feed everyone steak until they shit blood and regret.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    Beans are counterrevolutionary trash ripped from the bosom of America by imperialist murderers and the eating of beans by the english constitutes a war crime. Heinz go to the Hague

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    beans are only good in burritos and tacos and shit. eating individual beans is the same to me as eating olives out of the jar. bad food bad you

    • eiknat [she/her,ey/em]
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      i will eat a whole can of beans topped with extra hot valentina using a spoon and you can't stop me

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        I will eat out valentina (@leftistthot420) topped with a can of beans and you cannot stop me

      • mutantIke [they/them]
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        mmmmm yeah lemme just eat this solid hummus. thats what you sound like. lemme chow down on the shit they normally turn into refried paste