https://lemmy.world/comment/3295001
I'm starting to notice the half of Lemmy not federating with Hexbear is even more reactionary on average than I thought.
The “learn history!” In a completely ahistorical post is one of my favorite genres of posts
Especially when it isn't "learn history" so much as it is "Ignore every part of history that conflicts with my simplistic pop-culture view of history."
Sweatie you don't understand, 2 US officers with no knowledge of the region just decided to arbitrarily divide it up to CREATE 2 countries (and have Japanese officials that had just fucked up the region govern the Southern one)
Perfectly normal stuff
Imagine if, during the American civil war, Britain came in just as the south was about to loose, and then burned down every single structure in the north and killed 20+% of the population. Then went on to tell everyone how the North were actually the bad guys.
genocide is when there's camps
Uyghurs? well, there's camps, so it's genocide
dropping over half a million tons of bombs, deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure until you've basically razed the entire country to the ground and bomber pilots end up just dropping their payloads on random fields since there literally isn't anything left to bomb? no camps, so it's all fine, just a bit of collateral damage
The MIC executives will sip some extra wine in honor of them dying for nothing within the first 5 seconds of war breaking out
It makes a lot more sense if you just replace "whataboutism" with "pointing out hypocrisy"
By any normal person it is. By the people who are propagandised on "north korea" it's fine because they're the enemy and barely considered human.
The U.S. air force also ran out of targets to bomb or napalm after dropping more ordnance than the entirety of WW2.
QUESTION: Just a follow-up, please. You said you're running out of targets, though, Mr. Secretary. And going back to the field forces, what are you going to continue to hit?
RUMSFELD: Well, for one thing, we're finding that some of the targets we hit need to be re-hit. Second, we're not running out of targets, Afghanistan is.
(LAUGHTER)
Ghoulish. Sends a chill down my spine how genuinely evil these people are.
literally dropping bombs in the sea on the way back to land on carriers
people won't call it genocide if they don't ever learn the history of it in the first place
never ask what was going on in the south when the north crossed the 38th parrallel
Just because the regime lead by an ultranationalist nutball was killing everyone to the left of Hitler doesn't mean anything
The more I learn about actual history, the more I realize that History ™️ is a lot like relying on cops body cameras to learn what happened:
"repression by Syngman Rhee?"
Camera was switched off"Jeju Uprising?"
Camera was blocked by my uniform"When the South invaded the North?"
Camera was malfunctioning"When the North continued south to liberate it?"
When they violently invaded without provocation? I guess it was just a loose connection 'cause we got great footage of that!Jeju uprising
Looked that one up, and once again the forces established to fight them used a skull on their logo.
Real AreWeTheBaddies energy no matter if it's Ukraine or SKorea.
I'm trying, man. It's just too depressing to listen to more than an episode a week.
Brace and Liz have had them on, do they talk about the skulls? What episode should I start with?
Season 3 is about the Korean War.
Seasons 1 and 2 are about the Iraq War and the Cuban Revolution and Season 4 is about Afghanistan.
I listened to the first 2 eps and now took a break for a while, any tips on how I can get a quick refresher on what I've heard so far? I've forgotten who everyone is already
It might be worth listening at 1.5x speed. Idk if there are any posted summaries anywhere
I would support the North liberating the South even on the simple basis of the US colonial takeover of the latter. That said, did the South really invade first?
The South didn't invade first, there were just repeated "border clashes" where South Korean soldiers advised by the US wanted to get ice cream from the soda shop but took a wrong turn and ended up in North Korea
Was this consistently southerners in the north and not the reverse?
I don't think you can really apply that sort of northerner-southerner thinking because the border only arose in the last few years and you've got left leaning fleeing the south and anticommunists going south. But recollection it was generally as you put it.
Skirmishes. Lots of them. I think you'd enjoy the Korean War section of blowback. Or if that's not your slice of cake, they have a source material page so you can read the books yourself.
Amerikkka draws a big line down the middle of Korea with a crayon
🇰🇵🇰🇷 
KOREA HAS INVADED ITSELF AND IT'S UP TO AMERIKKKA TO SAVE THEM FROM THEMSELVES BY
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INVADING, GIVING MONEY AND WEAPONS TO A FASCIST DICTATOR WHO COLLABORATED WITH THE JAPANESE, AND LEVELING ALL CITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NORTH AND PURGING SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS/ANARCHISTS FROM THE SOUTH AND TURNING THE SOUTH INTO A VASSAL STATE AND GLORIFIED UNITED STATES MILITARY BASE AND PRIVATIZING THEIR ECONOMY AND....
Liberals: This is progressive and defensive against proletarian imperialism!
Amerikkka draws a big line down the middle of Korea with a crayon
This is reductive. The line wasn't unilaterally drawn by American troops, it was the agreed-upon meeting place for the US and Soviet allies. Then the US wouldn't play ball with organizing free and fair elections (they insisted on banning left-wing parties).
Far more productive in talking with Liberals is bringing up that North Korea was the higher GDP, higher life expectancy, and whatnot up until the 90s, and that it was
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The collapse of Soviet economic support and the end of the military junta in South Korea that is to blame for the DRPK's woes, not it's socialism.
and the end of the military junta in South Korea that is to blame for the DRPK's woes
Interesting, could you expand more on this point?
I don't have the exact dates, but South Korea gets framed as having always been this multiparty liberal democracy when it was a right wing military dictatorship into the 90s.
People often want to frame North Korea as being behind, less developed, and whatnot, and will insinuate its inherent to its government structure. But, life expectancy, education, and economics in the North all outpaced the South while both countries were totalitarian and authoritarian.
Then, economic liberalisation in the south lead to a stronger economy that created the popular image of South Korea in people's minds today, meanwhile the Soviet Union collapsed, meaning that the North's economic security was weakened as it lost a trading partner and ally.
The metrics that people point to now as evidence of why North Korea is a "bad" country only came about within the last few decades, even though much of those same metrics have been true for capitalist countries for far longer.
If Ireland wasn't lawfully England then why did English nobility own all the land?
I saw this and gave him an upvote in solidarity. I was gonna comment but don't really wanna deal with contrarian bullshit stress today.
I'm reading Killing Hope in chunks and according to that text, it's unsure who did what to start the actual Korean War but it sounded a lot like the whole ass scenario was basically a powder keg waiting for any spark.
I've also read that a majority of the population was for communism.
I also read that McCarthy tried to unexist all of North Korea until China intervened since the US was shitting all over their doorstep.
People say "learn history" as if there isn't 4 different accounts depending on what narrative you are after.
Like sure guy, what history do I need to learn to satisfy your western take on a situation that happened on the other side of the planet 40 years before you were born?
Even if they did do an invasion, the proportional response is not deliberately firebombing every man, woman and child then bragging about it. That's literally just genocide.
im gonna declare a new country called 'Sink TERF island' in Essex and claim England invaded it so america will go to war with england. Wish me luck!
Why not support a Welsh reconquista with the goal of deporting every blockhead to north-western Germany.
Yes, liberate (N) Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and all the other territories from English invasion.
They literally invaded for no reason. Just like the Fire Nation or the orcs of Mordor
They lack the emoji game we have folks, it's true. They have to resort to weak and boring text descriptions! They have nothing on our big beautiful posters. Nothing I tell you! :a-little-trolling:
It has been fun coming to realise we weren't gassing ourselves up, our posting really is a cut above
Yeah they got pushed to the other big instances when we got ml and ee.
It would be cool to press into one that is pissed about it’s Nazi problem and wants to do something about it (beehaw, maybe blahaj).
Both of those spaces literally don't want us there despite the fact that it's INCREDIBLY obvious that when you purge the left from your spaces you inevitably shift absolutely all participation in your space massively rightwards along with kicking out all the people who are actively involved and motivated to counter the far right.
They did this to themselves.
a fella can dream about joining hands with the libs can’t he…
wuddabowtesm
"Invaded the South"
"Liberated the South"
