I mean, poor white people still have privilege. It's not the oppression olympics or anything but shit
- Poor white people have privilege; OP hasn't thought through the concept all that well.
- Privilege does not mean "better off in every way;" it means you automatically get some benefit that's not afforded to other people.
- Telling someone "check your privilege" is obnoxious as fuck and is about the worst way to have these conversations.
The thing is I have thought about it. And I understand very well my position in America. When I'm out with my group of friends that is almost always mixed I make sure to engage with the police when they harrras us. I've studied on the topic and know that I'll never actually understand what it's like to be black/brown in America. I know what the system is and know how to operate with in it and understand that I have that "privilege" It's more that my friend has always had a huge chip on his shoulder about the white man. And took a discussion we where having and turned it into a fight so he could own me and grand stand like a fucking lib.
oh well then he's kind of a dick. maybe you shouldn't keep stressing yourself out by talking to them? It sounds like they just enjoy winding you up.
Privilege does not mean “better off in every way;” it means you automatically get some benefit that’s not afforded to other people.
This :100-com:%
The privilege of being shot second, rather than first
Big news for all those white mass shooters who get taken alive
Tell him to check his upper class privilege. The privilege of the rich far surpasses any racial privileges. The rich no matter what race have no idea what life is like for the common person in general. Be very mindful when talking to him about politics, this fuck will rat you to police if another red scare happens.
Precisely this. If wealth weren't a means of isolating yourself from the common ills of poor society then it wouldn't be worth accumulating. As a natural byproduct of that isolation, privilege manifests itself within those who have means.
Tell him he's a dumbass social climbing lib that doesn't fucking get it and probably never will, and then cease all communication
Can't say without context. White privilege is a thing that exists regardless of other factors like wealth. It also doesn't mean that you have an easy life or that your perspective is invalid or something. Literally every person benefits from some kind of privilege. The concept of privilege should be used as a reminder that our perspectives are influenced by who we are and what we have and haven't experienced, and that's that. Unfortunately, in practice it can also be used to shut people down just based on who they are, which is dumb, or to play the "oppression olympics," which is even dumber.
If the context was like, "Is it possible that the reason you don't think representation in media matters that much is because you've never known what it's like to not have it, and you need to check your privilege?" then hey, could be he has a point, might be worth considering. If it's more like, "You don't have anything to complain about because you're white," then he's a fucking prick and you should tell him to shove it.
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Put peopwe in theiw pwace
Push fow incwementaw change (which can nyevew be taken by fowce due to ouw cowwective atomization, mewewy wequested by pwessuwe gwoups and then gwanted by the powews that be as a fowm of identity patwonyage)
Beaw witnyess to the suffewing
I'll attenuate your modality, and I hope you know what I mean by that because I sure don't.
I've not read much Foucault but this seems like his sort of power analysis. Or I'm just easily wowed by big words.
if i were you, I would take this as a sign that they aren't interested in politics.
That last sentence of your edit triggered a really negative feeling from me. But I don't think this sub is ready for a struggle session of that magnitude.
Edit: he deleted it but his friend compared his experience to that of black peoples.
I don't really want the convo out there as I use this name to shit post else where and this "friend" can be a real jerk at times.
Well people can't offer advice or critique without context. Create a new username and know when to cull people from your life.
Yeah you basically made an ass of yourself telling people to speak English if they want to live in America; "check your privilege" wasn't the right thing for them to say, but something else a little less woke and a little less nice was.
Edit: OP I get that you feel like the one being punched down on because of the wealth aspect but "speak English if you want to get by here", even when said with reasonably good intentions, is a phrase and an idea that's pretty hate-laced in the history of this place. Being in the wrong here doesn't mean you're awful or unwoke forever or whatever, but like, be nice to people who can't speak the majority language, shit's scary. They're in a weird position and often having trouble with that. Plus if they're rich-ish definitely be friends with them for uhhh material reasons lol.
It's not what I want. It's what our mutual friend wants. Other wise I don't care.
There's too many levels of "my friend said" here for me I guess rip
We cannot discard issues of identity and privilege, lest we end up like r/Stupidpol. We must hold on to it and recognize that there are indeed a variety of intersecting systems of oppression. The solution is not to discard everything aside from class, but to burn motherfuckers at the virtual stake who claim to care about intersectionality while being complicit in the driving forces behind these systems of oppression.
