Please give us functioning public transport

  • Rojo27 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Sadly its not getting any better any time soon. As a matter of fact it'll probably get worse.

    • opposide [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I’m from Turkey originally before my family came to the US and moved to the middle of nowhere. Now when I have family that visits the US they all want to visit NYC, not SW Pennsylvania, so I’m the one giving tours.

      It’s genuinely embarrassing to go anywhere off of the beaten path here. There are some nice parts to see but what’s particularly embarrassing is when they’re here for the second or third time and they’ve gone shopping and sightseeing at the major locations so they want to go off the beaten path and explore a bit. They couldn’t believe the homelessness. They thought it was made up that it was this bad here. They couldn’t believe the state of the public transport. They couldn’t believe how the average person lives here and at what cost. They really thought the average American living in NYC was living like a king and I had to be the one to let them all in on the secret.

  • OhWell [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I work with a man from Ireland who before this year, used to visit the US on business trips. He's been to North Carolina, Louisiana, Florida and New York. One thing he always says to me is how stunned he is at the failing infrastructure and things that look rotting away and falling apart like in this photo. Everything around us is falling apart and just ignored entirely. There are entire towns spread out in the deep south that look like something out of a third world country and they are just ignored. I am not from a big city, so I can only imagine that the ghettos and poor parts are ignored and not looked whatsoever. I used to spend hours looking at photos of Detroit now in ruins and falling apart and it's heartbreaking to think about.

    • opposide [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      The crazy part about living in NYC after growing up in Appalachia is that there is so little difference between what I saw growing up in the rust belt and the neglect on so much of the infrastructure here. Instead of maintaining and updating elevated train lines, it’s cheaper to just put a net under them to catch falling debris and chunks of rusted metal.

      The reason you don’t see many boarded up storefronts here as you do in the old rural towns is that there are enough people to constantly try to start businesses here, but it’s a revolving door of failure at the same exact rate as they would fail out in the country. They don’t fail because they aren’t good ideas, they fail because the working class has been hollowed out so much they can’t support these local businesses. It’s decay on a much deeper level than just physical. It’s an absolutely heartbreaking lack of opportunity and lack of prosperity, and it’s the same in both the cities and the country. Everybody who is working class suffers under capitalism

      • OhWell [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The reason you don’t see many boarded up storefronts here as you do in the old rural towns is that there are enough people to constantly try to start businesses here, but it’s a revolving door of failure at the same exact rate as they would fail out in the country. They don’t fail because they aren’t good ideas, they fail because the working class has been hollowed out so much they can’t support these local businesses. It’s decay on a much deeper level than just physical.

        It's exactly like this in the deep south and those small towns that used to be hotbeds for industrial work. All the steel mills and industrial type work was shut down in the 90s and shipped overseas. The buildings are still there and have been rotting and falling apart for years. I used to drive past all these factories on my way to work; years ago my mom worked in one and when you go down that road and look at it, everything is just decaying and rotting. My hometown is pretty much falling apart and in serious decay. I remember being a kid and there were so many small businesses and for a while they would do well, but eventually go bankrupt due to some corporate store moving in. They built a walmart close by in my old hometown after I moved out, and that completely wrecked all the small businesses that used to sell groceries and the farmer's market.

        These days, no one can run a business cause the dollar stores come in and take up everywhere. I live in a vicinity of 6 different dollar stores (3 dollar generals, 2 family dollars and 1 dollar tree). Years ago, this place had hardware stores and even a clothes shop. Can't compete with a small Walmart type business in the dollar store chains that come in and eat everything up. It's so hollowed out, local businesses don't last here either, so I definitely feel your pain.

  • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Andrew Cuomo is why we can't have nice things

    https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/you-blew-it-andrew-cuomo/

  • Dumpster_fire_pants [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Show that photo to any single person here in Japan and they would shudder. Trains and train stations are immaculate here. We even see train workers walking through with anti covid spray wiping down handles etc hourly, the cleanliness is just accepted as how it should be.

    Oh and costs are regulatedhheavily by govt to insure the people can afford to get to work. Discount tickets for daily commute and students as well.

    America is seriously missing out. I blame the capitalist auto industry

  • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Man, and here I thought some of the accumulated pigeon shit on some of Helsinki's metro stations looked grody. Here's a pic of one (sans pigeon poop)

    They talk about Potemkin villages but the US is just one giant Potemkin country, lean too hard on anything or look at anything too closely and the facade will come crumbling down

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Well, usually we diss everything about Greece here and we think that other countries have better everything but when I went to Germany I was surprised to see that subways are really gross compared to here, not to mention the US which is just horrible.

      This is an average subway: https://www.athenstransport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/%CE%9D%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B1-%CE%9C%CE%B5%CF%84%CF%81%CF%8C.jpg

      But more central ones are even nicer because they often have, like, various artworks and modern sculptures and mock antiquities (or even actual antiquities they found digging the tunnels), like this one under the acropolis: https://www.athenswalkingtours.gr/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Acropolis_Metro_Station_1.jpg

      To be fair, they were built ahead of the Olympic games while burning through the early eurozone money. But it was one of the few cool things they spent the money on.

      • qublics [they/them,she/her]
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        4 years ago

        for a second got my memories mixed up, the tunnel shape reminded me too much of London.
        but just remembered I've been to Athens and in that subway, it feels like a dream.

        being on the Acropolis it is one of those places and times in our life that meant so much that my memories feel elusive.
        i remember walking around the temple of Hephaestus.

        dissociative identity disorder is a strange thing, time and travel gets stitched together in odd patterns.
        and the blurriness of who did what, and what did we understand when, it is tragic and disorienting.

        i remember thinking about the Greek gods not as religion, but as superheros.
        as identities that people model themselves on.

        We have to sink TERF island and return stolen pieces to the Parthenon.

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Believe it or not there is actually Athenians who have never been up there. It surprised me so much the first time I met someone who said that. Like, it's literally just up there, and it's pretty damn cheap if you're a kid/student, plus there is plenty of days when you can go for free...

          • qublics [they/them,she/her]
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            4 years ago

            This seems to happen everywhere, locals don't go to their own tourist destinations. Some probably just do not want to be among all those tourists.

            But I wonder sometimes of the vague idea of what is there can be nicer than the reality, and people don't like to have their city defined for them as it were.

            It is like driving through the rich neighborhoods, or the very poor ones; creates a kind of perspective, disilluionment, or almost a context collapse.
            But really places like that can create some strong emotions; much like Paris syndrome, weltschmerz, and culture schock.

            It is like looking at the moon and noticing its the same over millions of years and for billions of people.
            Also is odd, but this reminded me of a quote from this recent press conference and article: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/336289033

            用狮子王的辛巴比喻中国,“是在各种怀疑、责难和打击中成长和成熟起来”,让国外更理解中国;

            trying out lots of translation services...

            QQ: Using the Lion King's Simba as an analogy to China, "is to grow and mature in all kinds of doubts, censure and blows", so that foreign countries can understand China better.
            Google: Using the Lion King's Simba as a metaphor for China, 'grows up and matures amidst all kinds of doubts, censures, and blows', making foreign countries understand China better;
            Bing: Using the Lion King's Simba analogy of China, "growing up and maturing in all kinds of doubts, rebukes and blows", so that foreign countries understand China better;
            Baidu: Using Simba, the lion king, as a metaphor, China "grew up and matured in a variety of doubts, censures and attacks" so that foreign countries can understand China better;
            Yandex: To use the Lion King's Simba metaphor for China, " is to grow and mature in all kinds of doubt, censure and combat”, so that foreign countries better understand China;
            M-translate: Using the Lion King's Simba as a metaphor for China, "grows up and matures amidst all kinds of suspicions, censures, and blows", making foreign countries understand China better;

            It is just curious the way that these symbols have come to transcend so many cultures.
            That it gives people at the same time common language, but also guides them into common ideology and aspirations.

            And in that sense there is a certain resistance in not going, not seeing, or not reading.
            It is almost like people are terrified of their own vulnerability to being changed or manipulated, but at the same time don't learn by experience to resist it.

            I don't know if this is how people that don't go think, because I'm the type of person that does prefer to explore, and to live in reality.
            It is an odd thing, maybe, that with dissociation there is also a desire for grounding and insight, but also compartmentalization such that illusions could be sustained if we wanted to.

            Anyway, to me it always just seems obstinate and annoying when people insist on not trying the sunglasses as it were.

            I'm sure this whole comment will now get mixed up with the memories I have of everything I was thinking about on the Acropolis.
            I should to look up some family pictures over the holidays. I don't even remember what year that was.

            Meh, long comment, but guess it takes much less time to read; perks of being "crazy" and unemployable in a welfare state is having more time to think about things.

            Honestly wish everyone had this much leisure time to just think or read more.
            With that I seem to have come right back to Plato.

            About time maybe, since the form of Paris is so relevant.

            Even as plural there is a thing called faceclaims, that represent how alters feel, or what they would look like, if they could. Like a form.
            Oh I just remembered... something... ... strangest thing about living with dissociation is that over time the mind feels very mechanical.

            I honestly think Plato meant the world of forms in the abstract, or even like an elaborate fantasy visualization or inner-world.
            The way he writes in dialogues is very plural like, honestly. But who knows, I've not read nearly as much Plato as I would like.

            I should make a :back-to-me-plato: emote, that won't piss anyone off. lol

            ...

            I guess the idea that I want to say is that dissociation feels like the moon to me.

            ...

            It doesn't come across when I write these comments, but half the time I don't know where I'm going, but then the pieces fall together.

            Hopefully at least some of that was possible to follow.

      • doublepepperoni [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        On the other hand, the volume of people going through a subway station in a metropolitan area of 1 million (600k in Helsinki+ 400k in the cities of Espoo and Vantaa it borders) versus a gigantic city of 8 million probably differs slightly

    • opposide [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      That’s why they have to sell churros down there. It’s a government funded project to keep the subway miasmas at bay

  • conductor [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    More info: https://untappedcities.com/2013/11/18/nyc-abandoned-subway-stations-chambers-street-disused-platform/

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    What the fuck?

    Just fucking clean it jesus christ. How hard is employing some cleaners?