First comment is what I'm dunking on, the rest were just surprising to see upvoted in /r/nba
"I understand when people say Americans are the most propagandized developed nation"
Oh boy wait 20 more years when they discover they're the most propagandized nation period
Instantly caught that too lmao. I wanna believe there’s hope for these people, I really do but damn
They'll admit their shortcomings on anything to any degree as long as it doesn't break their Western superiority
I hope they're gonna get there one day, they already dropped the Zenz shtick.
If it's mainly a gut reaction to having their world view challenged, hope may not be out.
About damn time, only took people 5 years to catch on to this bullshit
Depressingly, a lot of people can rightly point out this narrative in particular as bullshit but will internalize everything else they've been fed their whole lives to still come to the conclusion of China bad. So call me skeptical.
Yeah, a lot of people have realised that the "genocide" narrative isn't true, but sadly still talk about how "China is probably still treating ungers badly in Zin-jang. I don't have any proof, but China is just evil like that."
They've internalised the part of the propaganda the US state department wanted them to, so mission accomplished.
Thing is, I don’t doubt there could be excesses or “missteps” carried out in the Xinjiang anti-terror campaign. Not because of the eviiil CCP organ harvester regime or whatever but by the nature of the operation and the cards China are dealt with. It runs parallel to certain events in the Soviet Union, like the numerous cases of Russian chauvinist bureaucrats and officers abusing their positions to take care of “Japanese spies” (ethnic Koreans on the onset of WWII) or “Islamist reactionaries” (in Central Asia).
Of course, you can’t even talk about something like this with a critical eye in front of Western liberals because they are all but guaranteed to take a mile when given an inch when the perceived “enemy team” concedes.
Yeah I agree. They cast a very wide net and a lot of people had to undergo vocational training that didn't need to. It sucks to have your entire life put on hold like that.
though yeah, any sort of admission that mistakes were made is used as proof that the whole thing is just as bad as their imagination when it comes to libs. They'll do the "both sides bad (but the side I already opposed is worse)" thing they always do.
May a thousand self-awarewolves bloom in Reddit!
Enes "Freedom" Kantor being annoying is probably what caused this.
All we need to disprove propaganda is annoying people on the other side
That man is such an obvious psyop and yet the libs loved his shit for a while
A lot of media first started covering him as an anti-Erdogan freedom hero, they just conveniently left out the part where he's a Gülenist.
Turkish deep state politics is so complex I don’t even remember the factions. I remember Enes being a grey wolf or flashing their sign lol
I thought Grey Wolves were Gülenists, but that's actually a different thing, so yeah, he's a Grey Wolf but media never mentioned that. I learned it from the massive Twitter thread about sus Uyghur organizations.
This guy was seriously the funniest shit ever. He aggressively build up his entire person around the "China bad" grift, precisely in the time when USA pivoted their target to Russia and dumped him lmao. I never heard about him between then and your mention now.
I read this 4 times and read "Redditors" as "Reuters" every time. Couldn't figure out where reuters came in
One of the best demonstrations of reddit astroturfing is to contrast the difference in the comment sections of 'political' posts on /r/nba that get 1k+ upvotes vs. those that don't.
Or look at threads on political subs vs. threads elsewhere that have political topics organically pop up.
Let’s pretend that everything liberals say about china is true. Why bother lying about caring about human rights and democracy when the US has no problems working with countries like Saudi Arabia and the Philippines? I’d have more respect for lanyards if they’d simply admit they hate the idea of nonwhite countries surpassing them.
Don't use bad names like that, he merely wants them burnt...
Where can I read more about how Zenz is full of shit? Im gearing up to do battle with libs over the factuality of the uyghur genocide
Great resource on Xinjiang here, including lots of specifics about Zenz and his blatant lies.
I was going to say to thank @robinn2@hexbear.net for putting that site together, but it looks like they wiped their account recently.
EDIT: There's lots more in this resource list post made by @iie@hexbear.net and the comments there.
Here's something I like to keep in my back pocket. Use the citation following technique to basically critique any article you find and shit becomes clear. Here's an old hexbear discussion too: https://hexbear.net/post/145820
Terror & Tourism: Xinjiang eases its grip, but fear remains
Snippets:
- Ah yes, genocide via applying the same birth control policies across the board
Uyghur activists abroad accuse the Chinese government of genocide, pointing to plunging birthrates and the mass detentions.
The harder the government tried to control the Uyghurs, the more stubbornly many clung to their identity. A few resorted to violence, carrying out bombings and knifings against a state they believed would never accord them genuine respect.
Today, many checkpoints and police stations are gone and the bombings have stopped, but the racial divide remains clear.
James Leibold, a prominent scholar of Xinjiang ethnic policy, calls it the “museumification” of Uyghur culture. Chinese officials call it progress.
Google James Leibold
The Jamestown Foundation is a Washington, D.C.-based defense policy think tank.
Jamestown’s board also includes Michael G. Vickers, who previously served as the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and whose role at the Central Intelligence Agency during the Soviet–Afghan War was famously featured in George Crile’s 2003 book Charlie Wilson’s War.
Vickers became involved with Operation Cyclone, the CIA program to arm Islamist Mujahideen during the Soviet–Afghan War. He was the head military strategist for the US, coordinating an effort that involved ten countries and providing direction to forces made up of over 500,000 Afghan fighters
