This is a leaked video from Blackwater in Iraq. It's some horrifying shit - they're just driving into town running over people and shooting random people for fun. Obviously the content is shocking, so careful if you're not ready to watch this. Also, imagine the shit they did that wasn't filmed/leaked.
I am always amazed at the level of troop sympathy here. they are our enemies and are no more working class than the cops.
America could invade literally every country on the map and reddit jingos would still chime in with ‘well at least we aren’t russia’
It's actually quite surprising that there are not way more terror attacks in the west or against westerners in the middle east.
Obligatory fuck the troops to hell. Every US/coalition pig that dies there is more than justified.
when i went back to college at age ~27, i ended up sitting next to a guy about my age who had enlisted right out of high school. he didn't look the type, he was real a real shy sort, soft spoken. after striking up a conversation i discovered his previous stint in the army (i think that was the branch) and he told me a story that always sticks out.
when they would drive across iraq/afghanistan (i can't remember where he was) there would be just miles and miles with nothing in sight. in their convoy, they had a cherry picker. his commanding officer, every single time they would stop in a small village, basically ransack the local grocer, and his CO would have them lift the cherry picker so on their way out they'd knock out the electricity for the village. always said he hated it bc he felt bad, but also because on their way back they'd have to take a lot of precautions because those towns would often plant explosives to try and payback the disservice done to them.
his story out of all this mess, and the more i hear about the war, somehow being the most benign story (knocking out fucking power grids bc brown people bad) is just so fucked up. it is probably the first time i ever looked critically at the bullshit the usa did over there.
Yeah this is just shit these people do. Saw a troop talking openly in Taxi to the Dark Side about how they would blast Drowning Pools Bodies and how it was kinda poetic because it was like the bodies in Iraq or some shit like that
fucking hell, troops will never cease to amaze me by reaching new heights of disgusting, cowardly, monstrous behavior
i dont really watch stuff like this because it never fails to make me cry and feel abjectly hopeless. how could someone do this? how could they even begin to imagine just killing innocent people? how do we even begin to challenge these people with the whole backing of the state?
Fuck these people. Dear lord, fuck america, fuck that piece of shit imperialist country. I'm just mad now.
I fully understand the anger but strong disagree. Nobody deserves torture or death. What they deserve is to be incarcerated in a prison with some measure of comfort and dignity (so, unlike the ones in most nations right now), to try and rehabilitate them. And if that's impossible, until they die of natural causes.
They may be monsters; we're not.
I really doubt child-murders are capable of rehabilitation, especially adult child-murders. Could Ted Bundy be rehabilitated?
Probably not; and he still deserves to be housed in dignity because he's a human being. There can be no compromise on basic human rights. Again, he may be a monster but we're not.
Why do you think basic human rights must be extended to these people? I’m not necessarily disagreeing here, because I don’t believe in the death penalty either. But housing them with dignity seems excessive. Will something bad happen if we make an exception with child-murders? Like there will be a slippery slope or something, and soon nobody will have human rights?
Why do you think basic human rights must be extended to these people
Because they're not negotiable, to me. You start to exclude certain people from such rights, and pretty soon there's a risk such exclusions are enlarged to other group of people.
But that's basically the slippery slope argument of course; yet it's not the only reason to me. Many of the child murderers you talk about, for example, while fully responsible, arrived at their actions due to truly fucked up pasts. Society often does have a measure of responsibility for them ending up this way.
Hard disagree. Might not be popular on here, but this is exactly what the death penalty is for. Few men get to their position in general and when they got there they decided war crimes were okay, killing people for the highest bidder was okay, killing people for imperialism was okay.
Normal troops I won't get into, but if there is a group that unapologetically needs to face the full consequences of their actions it is absolutely any of the special forces, and mercs.
this is exactly what the death penalty is for
I understand where you're coming from, but the death penalty is monstrous and goes against basic human rights. I don't see it personally as compatible with leftist thought.
I think your understanding of the death penalty is clouded by the way it's typically used in the west, which is absolutely bullshit. We always hear stories about someone being put to death and then later finding evidence proving their innocence, I understand the hesitation.
This is not that at all. I'm not just someone who wants the death penalty in general, I'm saying war crimes is where I draw the line. Period.
We always hear stories about someone being put to death and then later finding evidence proving their innocence, I understand the hesitation.
You misunderstand; even if there was absolutely no doubt on Earth someone was guilty of such crimes - like absolutely 100% no possibility of them being not guilty, I would still be against it. A state/community should never assassinate someone that doesn't represent an immediate risk to others (such as if he's been arrested and incarcerated), period. Again, I think human rights are paramount.
About the only case where I could see it being applied, though, is in extreme cases where said community definitely cannot afford the resources to properly house such people to put them aside/try to rehabilitate them without greatly damaging the rest of the community (which definitely isn't the case in our modern societies - as a stupid scenario to illustrate: think a group of people stranded on a desert island, for example, and incapable to afford keeping such a person alive securely without endangering their survival - killing them would still be a tragedy, but an understandable one).
About the only case where I could see it being applied, though, is in extreme cases where said community definitely cannot afford the resources to properly house such people to put them aside/try to rehabilitate them without greatly damaging the rest of the community
Who exactly do you think people who commit war crimes like black water, green berets, and navy seals are? I don't understand why you're comparing them to regular people. No, these are people who have been specifically trained by the most powerful governments on this planet to be as brutal as humanly possible in order to achieve objectives leading to conquest in the name of capitalism, imperialism, and white Supremacy. If you want to know who the most indoctrinated people on this planet are look no further because it's not us with our copies of state and revolution in our rooms, it's these guys.
This is not 18 year old johnny who had no chance to find a job so he joined the army and was given a rifle, these are men who joined because the paycheck is a bonus. And a lot of the time they fully admit to that.
On this, I agree fully. But the fact there were indeed indoctrinated tends in my mind to strengthen my position on the death penalty: without that indoctrination, they would likely be much better people. Society does have some measure of responsibility on why they ended up this way (both due to that indoctrination and the general horror, brutality and individualistic mindset of our modern capitalistic societies). Assassinating them seems therefore to shirk that responsibility. They're in the middle of firing on civilians ? by all means shoot them to stop them and save lives. They've already been arrested and are no longer a direct and present risk ? no murdering them.
Moreover, at least for some of them I believe such indoctrination can be reversed (but again, even if not).
Like I said in my other comment capital punishment should essentially only be used in the case of war crimes. I do believe people can be rehabilitated in 99% of cases.
War crimes are the exception not the rule.
So stick them in a less comfortable holding facility with the understanding that they may not be rehabilitated.
If its truly punishment you're after a life of reflection will truly be worse than death. And if they're true sociopaths - fine, they won't care either way. Better to let them rot than to be killed and sow the seeds of future fascist mythologisation.
A weak old person is anathema to reactionary martyrdom, imo.
Would you do that for the SS? Go ahead and sit there and tell me from your high horse that you wouldn't give members of the SS the death penalty.
guess the Jewish partisans that rose up and killed Nazi occupiers after the Axis lost shoulda just put em in a holding cell
No if they show their faces in public someone should just put a bullet in them and be done with it.
Same thing for all these fucking chuds that get off. Justice system won’t fix it, people should.
Between this and the music, I suspect that video was filmed and edited by the war criminals it depicts themselves.
