Idpol is a feature of liberalism, leftists recognize intersectionality as a feature of the movement. The specific way I am oppressed is not the same that my male comrades are oppressed, is not the same as the way our poc comrades are oppressed by virtue of their race, is not the same as the way our trans comrades are oppressed by virtue of their gender identity, etc. However we are still beholden to the whims of capital and struggling against its authority is still a just fight.
Solitary to all people in their struggle against capital.
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Stupidpol is far beyond class reductionist. It's almost Strasserite at this point. It used to be a little better, but got exponentially worse once r/cth was banned.
it's almost like it's the natural conclusion of a class reductionist ideology...
the recognition of oppression is in the ways that extant regimes of power divide the workers along those lines of identity in order to mask material exploitation within the workplace...
being oppressed is tantamount to one's placement within the power hierarchy. Miles Davis got pulled over in his Ferrari and roughed up by police, but still was let go. Poor non-famous Black people get killed in the same circumstances. There is still a class element here, even if it's used as a shield within racist societies
this works in the imperial core to a greater extent than in peripheral countries, because of the history of different groups & identities being pitted against one another in industrial societies in order to drive down wages
"class reductionism" is a canard... it's like Stokely Carmichael says:
“If a white man wants to lynch me, that's his problem. If he's got the power to lynch me, that's my problem. Racism is not a question of attitude; it's a question of power. Racism gets its power from capitalism. Thus, if you're anti-racist, whether you know it or not, you must be anti-capitalist. The power for racism, the power for sexism, comes from capitalism, not an attitude.”
we have to find the intersubjective commonality & stop eating our own fingers. class is the prism that different forms of racial & gender & cishet comformist oppression are reified into a material & sociological antagonism over time. and it's reproduced from generation to generation
we are talking about power after all. Even Sankara lived in a society that had ethnic & religious strains, and his death was ultimately to be blamed on tribalistic "IDpol" because he was directly treating & ending feudalistic class iniquities like mutilating young girls & keeping of harems etc. Culture is not necessarily our friend
Yes well said friend. Culture is not our friend and class reductionism is a canard. Class analysis is key to understanding the power that defines our identities.
In stupidpol's case it is a mask for actual bigots and reactionaries. And really, the real crime is the stupidpol mods that tolerate full-blown transphobes and racist. Most of the posts aren't bad criticism but the comments are disgusting and discussion is impossible
Huh who would have guessed. :thinkin-lenin: As much as they suck, stupidpol was my introduction to :fred-hampton:, so there was some decency on the sub at some point. Wonder what they would think of him now?
Its the exact same story with the "gender critical" "feminists". Once they decided they didn't like trans people, they were content to drop all their feminist advocacy and ally with anyone they agreed with even if they were far right.
Honestly hate stupidpol and most people who post there. They’ve literally come out and said part of the reason they want a class reductionist left is they want the left wing to have less ‘freaks’. They literally want the face of the of the left to be hoighty toighty white spoiled ass brats.
Any stupidpol lurkers please lick my taint.
I checked out the sub rules. Right wing is defined as:
They hold reactionary social views, i.e. a return to the status-quo ante on social issues (the mainstream social consensus of the late 90s will not be considered "reactionary" for the purpose of this clause).
I think there's something deeply funny about a supposed Marxist movement that thinks social and political progress follows the "Boomer Music Rule." And literally sets it in stone as a rule.
I.E. "The rock music when I was a teenager was objectively the best. (Zeppelin, the stones? Come on man!) Anything that happens after I turned 30 is garbage that's destroying the world."
Thinking gay marriage is a war on Christian values does not count as reactionary to these people?
Communism is when you complain about trans people, the more you misunderstand it and demonize it, the more Communism you achieve
Yeah I don't recommend going to stupidpol if you value your sanity. Absolute asshattery taking place there.
Yeah I'm a class reductionist too haha wouldn't it be crazy if there was a connection between class and race and gender? Maybe something on how class has a relationships with that and how it uses those things exploitatatively? Some kind of intersection maybe?
Black faces in High Places proves anyone can grow up to be anything, so long as you know whose ass to lick.
Yeah I didn't write that well, I was trying to agree and say that class reductionism is stupid because if you really want to boil things down completely to just class you have to look at the way it weaponized against minorities and bc of that has to be intersectional
Oh no not on you at all, I'm not fantastic at communicating my thoughts. Totally understand the reaction, I hate dealing with stupidpol ppl
Can we do an organized brigade of stupidpol? Spam them with pages upon pages of furry porn posts, or other things they'd consider "degenerate"?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/fa/bf/6efabf7dd4b8630ff2808b8f19259f89.jpg
What stupidpol wishes the left only consisted of.
What I mean is just run of the mill young white people. As I said in a post above, I’ve seen them say and argued with them about the point to ‘drop the freaks from the left’ as one of them phrased it
