• ap1 [any,undecided]
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    hollywood because it literally is

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hollywood-cia-washington-dc-films-fbi-24-intervening-close-relationship-a7918191.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-entertainment_complex

    • Ryan_Holman [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Fun fact: Independence Day did not receive United States military funding, unless the references to Area 51 were removed. Also, the military refused to give to support to the James Bond movie GoldenEye, due to a scene where a military official is seduced and then killed, in order for a prototype helicopter to be stolen. The movie has the official be from Canada instead.

  • redfromouterspace [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Jeffrey Epstein definitely had arrangements with the CIA.

    Wouldn't surprise me if QAnon was an op to attack the legitimacy of those of us who are superpowered Epstein-pilled posters

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        /u/maxwellhill, who stopped posting shortly before Gislaine Maxwell was arrested. I've also heard unsubstantiated claims that they were active in some kind of discord or IRC channel and said it was a joke, but reddit is sketchy as shit.

    • crime [she/her, any]
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      Reddit as a whole. Some user here posted a pretty compelling case that r/CTH was banned by the CIA, the head(?) of their "anti-evil department" or w/e is listed as belonging to the cia or its affiliates before taking that job, and hasn't done any other private sector work or something iirc

  • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
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    I think most large cartels are essentially allowed to exist and thrive so the DEA and CIA can destabilize Central and South America.

      • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
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        I feel like I should expand on my comment because it's not exactly what I mean.

        In the same way political and religious groups are funded abroad by the CIA I believe the cartels are funded in the same way, but differently due to the makeup of south america.

        1. Much of south and central America is already christian or catholic.

        2. Funding political groups actually has a decent chance of blowing up in Americas face, which is okay abroad, but bad when it's on your closest border.

        This in turn leaves the US to fund neither of these groups, so instead they fund what can only be considered "business" or "financial" terrorists. This gives the US so much breathing room because it makes most people not even see them as terrorists, they're just "doing business". And it gives the US an excuse to vilify drugs and such. So yes they are business partners, but only in the sense that the US could not use the exact playbook they do everywhere else.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      for decades the Sinaloa Cartel was allowed to operate freely in exchange for cooperating with US security appartus and intel on other cartels

      • Sushi_Desires
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        4 years ago

        they put out this tweet a while ago, which is quite an eyebrow-raiser https://twitter.com/nedemocracy/status/1337063301113581568?s=21

      • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        the founder of NED bragged about receiving funding from and using the same tactics as the CIA

        Can you give me the source for that claim? Not doubting you, just want to read more.

  • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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    National endowment for democracy.

    Bellingcat.

    The human rights industry (all of the 300+ NGO's who constantly spout bullshit about human rights violations, yes all of them also including your favorite one, they've all taken money from western governments or the billionaire elite)

    If we expand from "CIA front" to "part of the US / NATO security state", we get a lot more candidates including most of the main stream news outlets, the 3 main news agencies and all of the silicon valley tech media giants.

      • kilternkafuffle [any]
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        IMO that one's fairly obvious. There's a narrative that needs to be sold about a foreign policy matter. But if the CIA/US gov just comes out and says "Syria chemical attacks" - no one believes it - or no one cares. So a "citizen-journalist" recreates that narrative using open sources. The conclusion is already known, and you have the benefit of having real intelligence gathered by satellites, agents, etc., so you know what happened and what didn't. Then you piece together a story that sounds plausible. It's like when the police catch someone with drugs via the NSA or by harassing random minorities, but then have a friend call in an anonymous tip so they don't have to tell the truth in court.

        Bellingcat/Elliot Higgins specifically takes money from the National Endowment for Democracy, so that's pretty much all you need to know.

    • SteveHasBunker [he/him]
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      Idk dude have you meet lib animal rights people? They’re kinda like that.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        Part of someone becoming "like that" is by emulating the behavior of the leaders in their spaces. You can see this outside of any political context, even -- look at any hobby group, and you can see how newcomers determine what behavior is acceptable or desirable by looking to the most established/knowledgeable/respected members.

        And if those group leaders are feds:

        In 1972, a young radical Marxist named Harry “Gi” Schafer staged a demonstration at the University of New Orleans, demanding that their Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) chapter be officially chartered. Schafer climbed up on a bench, lecturing the 200 students and faculty in attendance. When the school’s dean arrived, Schafer ripped papers from the dean’s hands, called him a pig, attempted to out-shout him, and was eventually arrested alongside two others.

        The next day, on a judge’s order, SDS was banned from demonstrating without permission on campus. A few months later, courts banned SDS from campus entirely. No student would join the local chapter of SDS—then the nation’s leading leftist student organization—while he was leader. SDS would never become a chartered organization at UNO, and a powerful leftist movement would not develop on campus. It was a terrible blow to organizers at the university, but it was not a miscalculation by Schafer.

        Schafer was a paid FBI informant. For years he, along with his wife, Jill, spied on and undermined burgeoning leftist movements in New Orleans, well after the official termination of COINTELPRO.

        How many people in leftist spaces would applaud a stunt like this if they didn't know it was a planned attempt to discredit and ostracize leftist organizations?

    • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      PETA is totally organic. I wouldn't put it past the feds to be involved in the slander surrounding them though. A lot of the shit you hear about them is wrong but believable

    • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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      Honestly I could've told you that just from looking at their website. A "radical" publisher with almost no Marx, Engels, or Lenin and no Stalin, Mao, Fanon, or really any works from the revolutionaries who have built socialism? I would get it if they were just anarchists but then they publish plenty of stuff by social democrats and other new left types.

    • hotcouchguy [he/him]
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      Eh, could be, but I think the bigger issue there is that almost everyone prominent on the "mainstream left" is tied in with nonprofit money.

        • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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          But how can you know??

          I do read mostly Verso, haven't ever gotten anything from Haymarket.

          • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            But how can you know??

            Fair point, you're not 100% certain, but on the other hand, we are 100% certain that Haymarket receives money from the the National Endowment for Democracy, so I don't trust them at all.

            • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              I was mostly joking, poking fun at the eternal paranoia that comes with being a leftist ;)

              But thanks I had no idea about this.

    • jmichigan_frog [he/him]
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      Thanks for sharing! I have met both Dan La Botz and Anand Gopal in NYC. Eye-opening (but sadly not too surprising) that they have been effectively coopted by the state Department. Got to love imperialism “from below.”

    • TheBroodian [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I feel similarly about Verso Books. They're left publications for sure, but the scope of their publications never seems to enter the realm where it can be pro-soviet, or pro-ML, and tend to exist heavily in the theory-without-practice realms of "post-left" and postmodernism

      • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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        I get your point, but at least they're not taking money from the National Endowment for Democracy. For me, that's a dealbreaker.

  • Baader [he/him]
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    V@ush. You can't be this stupid