...that's...good? My brother in Christ what do you expect a carnivore to eat?
The only kind of shocking "gore-style" videos I ever enjoyed when I was young were animals fucking up humans who were hunting or tormenting them. Honestly that shit never gets old for me. When those pics of that matador with a bull horn going in his neck and out his mouth my only reaction was
i love when elephants freak out and kill their abusers.
New kind of guy: advocates veganism but only for obligate carnivores
New kind of guy that uses the word obligate as a slur for cats.
Cool bro, nice definitely real data about animals existing in nature you paid to put on that billboard. Now do cars
Incidentally, I was curious what this number actually is, but apparently no one is even attempting to keep track of how many deer are injured/killed by cars, despite frequently involving a police report and/or insurance claim
I can literally see a dead deer every few miles in some places. I imagine a portion of them are hit by larger trucks where an insurance claim isn't necessary.
It'd be a special kind of hell world if cars did a better job of deer population control than hunters given how much hunters lobby to shoot more deer
Are they suggesting that wolves be eliminated so these monsters have more deer to hunt? Also don't areas with deer population in US often complain about there being too many deer around?
Either that or they want to be given the go ahead to hunt wolves. And yeah, overpopulation of deer is bad for ecosystems as they clear out underbrush and prevent new growth trees from forming. This both limits biodiversity but also sets up a long term problem of barren landscapes when the old growth trees do finally die.
Hunting as a way to control animal populations is an important talking point by gun and hunting groups. If ecosystems can be put into a more natural equilibrium by reintroducing apex predators, then they lose this talking point.
It's partially true, something needs to kill and scare deer or they'll starve out & destroy the habitat of every other animal in the area, but yes, wolves are waaaaaay fucking better at it and these idiots don't want em. If we were earnestly trying to restore a habitat it would be good to hunt there until the wolves get their population going
The Adam Ruins Everything segment on hunting pissed me off.
Oh yeah I remember watching that and even as a baby leftist it pissed me off, like it felt like the just did a really short detour into
style stuff to test the waters, before going back to his normal style when it didn't take off
Yeah deer are one of the only animals whose populations are higher than pre-Colombian exchange. We basically created their ideal environment across the entire country, forest at the edge of open field.
The most common causes of death for deer are, in order: Human hunting, car collisions, starvation, and last is predation (predation does outrank car collision in certain areas with few people and few cars). Very few animals are actually capable of taking down an adult deer, so if they survive to adulthood they’re almost guaranteed to be killed by a human or by living long enough they wear down their teeth until they can’t chew food anymore and starve to death.
I hear all the time about how there are too many deer and not enough deer licenses being issued.
Yeah this is so messed up, we need to stop these wolves from killing so many deer... Checks notes... so that we can kill them instead
This is the actual message of the sign.
"Isn't it terrible what those wolves due to deer" says person who is mad he only gets one tag this year because wolves actually naturally control deer populations.
Yea lots of things but nothing you're going to get as much high quality meat from as a single deer (not sure what the status on moose tags in Minnesota is). They probably get bear tags too but the quality of near meat is really dependant on age and what their diet was.
There's also bird hunting, both waterfowl and land based game birds but that's a bunch of specialized equipment including trained dogs.
You've got to have a fucked up baby brain to think that this emotional blackmail would fucking work.
What are they even trying to do?
It's either:
Wolves kill so many baby deers, so what difference does it make if we kill some too?
Wolves kill so many baby deers, let us kill the wolves to save the baby deers.
Haha, veggie, you love nature so much, what about wolves who kill so many baby deers, checkmate!
I think they want to hunt wolves again. IIRC, Minnesota was the only state you could hunt wolves for a couple years, and I guess some folks miss it.
From 2019 - https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/04/19/minnesota-house-votes-to-ban-recreational-wolf-hunting
From 2023 - https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/minnesota-wolf-hunting/
Pretty funny seeing pro-life billboards but for deer.
Minnesota was the only state you could hunt wolves for a couple years
Idaho, Montana and Wyoming exist
My mistake, I thought I had read in an article Minnesota was the only state, maybe it was just a certain time frame. I'm probably just incorrect.
Odd to pay for an add that says an animal is doing your thing but for free. we should release more wolves
Specifically into the homes of ranchers after we take their guns.
Unironically we should in areas where they're native but their numbers have been decimated
:gulag: for all of them. Ranchers, whiny ass deer hunters, all of them. Deer are so absurdly overpopulated that they've all got covid and zombie prions and they're destroying native plant life causing serious ecological problems and some asshole paid for a billboardz?
hot take: deer hunting is good as a substitute to fill an ecological niche while predators rebound, but whiny ass deer hunting is snowflakish and must be re-educated
Did you read the post you responded to? You can't just let them exist, when the predator species you're talking about still actively needs help to rebound. In the meantime, human deer hunting, for all of the garbage culture that surrounds it, fills the lacking ecological niche that was historically filled by predators who's habitat we've largely destroyed
Is this supposed to convince people who hate deer so much they shoot them with high powered rifles that wolves are their friends?
The tone and composition seems off for that but idk.
Wolves are competing with them. That's the real deal. Not "safety of kids" or whatever fucking bullshit they spout.
Pweese let us shoot all the wolves? Fences are reeeally expensive and it's haaard. Look at the cute baby deer! What if we had to kill all the wolves?
Do the wolves kill so many fawns because the hunters are out there shooting all of their parents that might be able to protect them? The bucks have those antlers for a reason
Bucks have antlers to fight other bucks to fuck during the rut bucks don't even stick around for the birth let alone defend fawns from wolves lol
Well, it was just an idea. But wait, if you know so much about deer family dynamics, then how come you don't have any friends that are deers?
Unfortunately a lot of hunters want to hunt wolves because they see them as "taking their kills" whether that be elk or deer. Its fucking awful for the ecosystem and actually makes the deer population worse not to mention our Indigenous people are against it
Yeah the slowly rotting and festering countries in northern europe are doing this now. The conservative government in sweden is selling hunting licenses (trophy hunting) for (locally) endangered species like wolves and lynxes. Norway is doing something similar. I wish every trophy hunter a very naked-in-the-snow-and-pursued-by-wolves winter season
They shoot wolves from helicopters in Alaska to keep their moose numbers up and that trophy hunting tourism cash flowing in
